This is not political. This is reality.

[Recluse]

I'm quite confident a few will whine that this belongs in the Politics forum, but I'll adamantly disagree.

This is not about politics. This is about reality.

The reality of what the United Nations is so close to accomplishing right here in the United States.

If you do not believe it can happen here, ask our shooting brethren from Down Under. Ask our shooting brethren up in the great white north. Ask our shooting brethren across the pond.

A friend of mine involved with the NRA called me this evening, directed me to a video they had posted. It's also on the nranews.org site, but easier to find on YouTube. I've attached the link to it here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDMeDmV0ufU


The following is a note I sent out to my friends and family, many of whom are past or present or retired military or law enforcement:

- - - - -

Hello everyone. You need to read this and watch this. It's a little lengthy, but if we do not heed it, our punishment will be hellishly long.

This is a report done by the NRA. As a few of you know, I used to write ads and speeches and the suchfor the NRA. Some folks have accused the NRA of "overstating" dangers to our freedoms or compromising or holding back to ensure that controversy remains and thus more funds can be solicited from members.

Begging your forgiveness and pardon my French, but Bull ****. With a capital B and a capital S.

This report by Ginny Simone, who I met the first week she came to work for the NRA back in 1993 is extraordinarily well done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDMeDmV0ufU

And if anything, it understates the real threat to all of us.

How have we come to this point? I'll tell you.

By bowing and cowtowing to the (expletive deleted) Speech Police and the rest of the unholy ******** that make up the Political Correctness mantra.

Nobody on this list that I'm writing to has ever, or will ever, accuse me of being politically correct. In fact, my mentor and good friend on this list, XXX XXXX (of Ackerman McQueen, the NRA's agency) sometimes had to dial me back. But it was from XXX that I learned how and when to dial back my anger and passion and turn it into something useful.

We all need to do that.

For starters, anyone you know that owns a gun and isn't a member of the NRA or GOA or any other pro-gun organization is part of the problem. E-mail them this video. Tell them to play close attention to the statement from the Canadian ILA guy who outright states that ONLY the NRA has kept this madness from going the entire distance at the United Nations.

Then ask the non-member gun-owner, "So, one more time, why the hell aren't you a member?"

There is no excuse. Zero excuse. Period.

Number two, anyone who is stoutly for gun control and cannot be swayed, make it very clear to them that they are wrong--and that if/when the **** hits the fan, they WILL pay for that. I consider these people no different than the terrorists that George W Bush referred to in his now famous, "If you are not with us, then you are against us" speech to Congress a week after 9/11.

Anti-gunners are anti-Constitution, which makes them a domestic enemy of this country. And many of us swore an oath to defend this country against all enemies, foreign and domestic. That oath did not absolve itself when the uniform or badge came off or was retired.

The Second Amendment gives a citizen the right to own a firearm. It does not mandate that a citizen MUST own a firearm anymore than the First Amendment mandates that we exercise our freedom of speech by writing political letters on a regular basis.

But if someone from England or Canada or Japan were to try and enact a United Nations campaign taking that right away from us, we'd be ready for war.

So what's the difference?

Anyone--American citizen or foreign citizen--who wants to deny me my Second Amendment constitutional right is an enemy of this country. Period. There is nothing to debate. Nothing to argue.

So I go back to getting gun-owners and shooters to join the NRA.

At present, we have a bit over 80,000,000 (that's MILLION) gun-owners in America alone. Only around 5,000,0000 are members of ANY sort of pro-gun association--NRA, GOA, Jews For Preservation of Firearms Ownership, Second Amendment Association, etc.

Five million NRA members is formidable, but not formidable enough against the likes of a communist puke like George Soros.

EIGHTY MILLION NRA members will shut Soros up.

How? Because the NRA can organize and communicate with incredible effectiveness.

80 million gun-owners boycotting all things Japanese until the Jap government shuts their faces about gun control will have the Japs changing their tunes real fast.

80 million gun-owners telling Canadian businesses to go fornicate themselves so long as the Canadian government continues to push for the destruction of our Second Amendment.

80 million gun-owners telling the British government that we whipped their ass like a rented mule back when our country was being born, and if they don't shut that hole under their national snooty nose in respects to trying to destroy our Constitution, we'll whip their ass again.

80 million gun-owners collectively telling the Netherlands government that we don't give a flying youknowwhat about them as most of us couldn't find the Netherlands on a global map because we have no reason to--but if they threaten our sovereignty, we'll by-God punch up Google Earth and find them.

And, 80 million gun-owners telling the small, minority faction of Australia's gov't that WE have room for every gun-owning, freedom-loving Australian citizen and we'll be happy to bring them here to the States and give them Sarah Brady and Diane Feinstein and other bed-wetting communists in exchange. Then you blokes can all sit around and bitch about guns to each other.

Apathy will kill us all. When not even ten percent of gun-owners give a damn enough to join the NRA, we have problems. When not even ten percent of gun-owners give a damn enough to call and write Congress, state legislators and local media, we have problems.

Yeah, many of us live right here in Texas and are in good shape. Big damn deal. We're dealing with politicians. I remind them at least once every two to three months that if they screw with my Bill of Rights, I'll do everything I can to support their next opponent and help him/her to victory.

The time is NOW to raise hell with our politicians and get us the hell out of the United Nations and to leave our Bill of Rights alone.

The time is NOW to raise with our fellow gun-owners who are not members of any pro-gun organization. If you own a gun, there is no excuse why you should not be a member of at least one pro-gun, pro-second amendment organization. Zero excuse.

The time is now for us to collectively as well as individually tell the governments of Great Britain, India, Canada, Japan, Netherlands and other countries intent on screwing with our Constitution to kiss our red, white and blue ass.

We have at least three more years of Comrade Obama, and if November 2010 doesn't go our way, we will BE the last hope for what is left of our country.

Let's get it done.

:coffee:

[Slow Elk 45/70]

Semper Fi Recluse, I hope this is read and passed on by many here...

[smoked turkey]

Unfortunately you are so right in what you have said. I have a few gun totin friends that are not NRA but should be and I will do what I can to see that they read this and realize how serious this is.

[Lead Fred]

Dont want to be one any pro gun list. It seems the federal government has gone into the database business.

What Ive seen in the last few years, they are going to over turn laws and the constitution in favor of world law.

Treaties, and pacts, and executive orders oh my

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0B_UZNtEk4

[Jim]

I'm tellin' ya', fellas, we're starin' right down the barrel of a revolution.

[joeb33050]

This is political, it isn't reality. This is the Glenn Beck style CHICKEN LITTLE, the-end-is-near-and-only-I-can-save-you political diatribe that's taken over instead of rational political discourse. Get your tea bags, buy all the primers and powder, build a safe house, glare at strangers. All because so many hate the notion of a Black man in the White Houes.
Of course, this is only my opinion, which I believe I still have the right to. [edit]
joe b.

[10-x]

There is a commie muslum American hater in the white house.

[Lee W]

Joe B.
It is funny you pull the race card. I have a feeling you like what is happening to this country and the only response possible from people like you is "That's racist!"

Thanks for adding your $0.00000002.

[DLCTEX]

Joe B, Joe B, Joe B. I don't care what the man's skin color is, he's just wrong on every front.

[SharpsShooter]

This is political, it isn't reality. This is the Glenn Beck style CHICKEN LITTLE, the-end-is-near-and-only-I-can-save-you political diatribe that's taken over instead of rational political discourse. Get your tea bags, buy all the primers and powder, build a safe house, glare at strangers. All because so many hate the notion of a Black man in the White Houes.
Of course, this is only my opinion, which I believe I still have the right to. Until you goons take over.
joe b.

I happen to think Recluse is right and you are as usual wrong. Why is it that you cannot factually dispute what he says? Instead, you imply he or anyone that thinks likewise is racially motivated. Go ahead and scream racist all you want so that you can comfortably ignore reality until it comes to your neighborhood.

SS

[Charlie Sometimes]

"whip their ass like a rented mule"

Most of our own fellow countrymen need this application.
That's why they made laws and rules against work place violence, etc.- to save their bed wetting *******es.

The plow mule most always wear blinders, too.
Hard to see what is really happening all around them.
Barn sour too, apparently- 'cause they are headed in the wrong direction to do any of us any good!

[blackthorn]

Recluse---Well said my friend!!!!

[IllinoisCoyoteHunter]

Apathy will kill us all.

Yup.

Well said Recluse.

[Ajax]

I have to agree too many people just stick their head in the sand until its too late.


Andy

[sundog]

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Anything short of that is treason. At best it is dereliction of duty, an offense defined in the UCMJ as the avoidance of any duty which may be properly expected. In common law it is negligence or malpractice.

There is no cherry picking of the constitution, it's all or nothing. An oath taken with the intention of deception is a lie. It is a lie to the American people. This hope and change thing is exactly that. Progressivism, socialism, communism, whateverism, is not protecting and defending the U. S. Constitution.

[fishnbob]

Joe B, Joe B, Joe B. I don't care what the man's skin color is, he's just wrong on every front.

Thanks Recluse and I agree DLCTEX, well said both of you! And Joe B, my daddy told me that "Opinions are like A--holes, everybody has one."
To know where you are going, you have to be able to see where you came from. A lot of people died for what we have today and a lot of people with strange agendas have gotten themselves elected and they evidently took sociology in our liberal colleges and skipped the history.

The idea of being nice to people who will blow up their wife or children to infuse their sick ideas, just doesn't work. If we hadn't dropped the BOMB in WWII, we would be speaking Japanese now!

The only reason we haven't been invaded is because every damned one of us gun toting ******** would be shooting back from every tree on the US of A!!!:takinWiz:

[462]

Joe,
You, sir, are suffering from what appears to be a severe lack of reality. I don't understand people like you who have to bring a the president's skin color into a conversation. As the bumper sticker says: "I'm not a racist. I don't like his white half, either."

I can't and won't speak for other Castboolit members, but I take offense at you calling us "goons".

Since you seem to be hindered by serious dilusions about gun control issues, I strongly suggest you spend some time in California. If the Constitution can be trampled on here, it surely follows that it can be elsewhere.

I agree with you when you say that you have a right to your opinion, and I willingly volunteered to defend it. However, an opinion -- such as the one you stated -- that is based soley upon personal attacks and ignorance, rather than courteousness and facts, is of no value and has no place in any debate.

[Storydude]

:popcorn:

[Storydude]

Thanks Recluse and I agree DLCTEX, well said both of you! And Joe B, my daddy told me that "Opinions are like A--holes, everybody has one."
To know where you are going, you have to be able to see where you came from. A lot of people died for what we have today and a lot of people with strange agendas have gotten themselves elected and they evidently took sociology in our liberal colleges and skipped the history.

The idea of being nice to people who will blow up their wife or children to infuse their sick ideas, just doesn't work. If we hadn't dropped the BOMB in WWII, we would be speaking Japanese now!

The only reason we haven't been invaded is because every damned one of us gun toting ******** would be shooting back from every tree on the US of A!!!:takinWiz:

Doubtful. Japanese had ZERO plans to invade the US homeland.

Pearl Harbor was saber rattling...On the hope that we would abandon the Pacific theater past Hi.

In 1945, the Japanese had retreated into the home islands and was awaiting an American invasion. Had that invasion went forward, they would have sucked us in, and cut us off....and We would have lost 1.5 MILLION GI's taking the home islands.

THAT'S why we dropped the bomb.

Truman was asked what he would say at his Impeachment when word leaked out that we had a weapon to stop the war and we didn;t use it.

[Recluse]

Lead Fred,

Are you a veteran? If so, you're ALREADY "on a list," and on one that is of far greater concern than being on a "pro gun" list. Maybe I have you confused, but didn't you support or sign the OathKeepers pledge?

And sorry, but deciding that YOUR sovereignty is more important than your nation's sovereignty ("refusing to be on a pro-gun list") is just selfish, chickens**t and 100% cowardly.

Do me and everyone else a favor--quit spelling the name of your home state in Russkie type spelling ("Washingrad") if you're not even willing to so much as even lend your name to an organization--any organization--that collectively fights the very premise that you hate.

This treaty and IANSA are not fabrications of conspiracists. Only a complete idiot would fall for that. Ask the Australians here what one of their own has done to their gun rights and laws, and what she is attempting and working tirelessly to do to all of us, with the help, financing and direction of that communist puke George Soros.

:coffee:

[Recluse]

This is political, it isn't reality. This is the Glenn Beck style CHICKEN LITTLE, the-end-is-near-and-only-I-can-save-you political diatribe that's taken over instead of rational political discourse. Get your tea bags, buy all the primers and powder, build a safe house, glare at strangers. All because so many hate the notion of a Black man in the White Houes.
Of course, this is only my opinion, which I believe I still have the right to. Until you goons take over.
joe b.

Joe,

I've always found your writing and source-referencing extremely suspect, and this latest diatribe only reinforces that position.

Nowhere in the report on IANSA or the UN was race mentioned. Nowhere in my post was race mentioned. Nowhere was Glenn Beck mentioned--a guy I have gone on record as stating I cannot stand, by the way.

Your response is typical of the "let someone else fight my wars and battles" mentality in order that you reap the benefits and gains without having to sacrifice one damned thing.

:coffee:

[Lead Fred]

Lead Fred,

Are you a veteran? If so, you're ALREADY "on a list," and on one that is of far greater concern than being on a "pro gun" list. Maybe I have you confused, but didn't you support or sign the OathKeepers pledge?



Oh I bet Im on a few lists. Just not any pro gun ones.
I support what Oath keepers is doing, I wont sign up on that either.
As soon as Im done with a business transaction on this forum, Ill be leaving it also.

Soon Ill be shutting down the internet all together.

We know they are already watching these websites

[Storydude]

Remember, it's shiny side out for maximum Tin-foil effectiveness.

[462]

Lead Fred,
Paranoid, are you? Don't worry, though, as there are still many millions of us who are willing to fight the fight, while you try to ignore it.

And, if that's the way you feel about this forum, I doubt that any more of your input would be worthwhile, so good-bye.

By the way, you and joeb33050 are the first two members to be added to my Ignore List. Reckon I won't be able to read your rely. Shucks.

[fatelk]

All because so many hate the notion of a Black man in the White Houes.
I don't know a lot about all this stuff, and read this thread out of curiousity, but this statement just jumped out at me. This is just incredibly offensive and ignorant. Do some people actually believe this, or do they just throw it out trying to cover up a poor argument on their side?

My disapproval of the current leader of our country and his cohorts (and I suspect that I'm in the majority here) has nothing to do with the amount of pigment in his skin, or his ethnic background. It has everything to do with their looney ideas. The ends justify the means to them, in the end they don't really care about freedom, democracy, or equality, just control. Many of them, I'm sure, are nice, well-meaning people who believe in "the good of mankind". They just have a skewed view of reality and human nature.

Personally I believe in true racial equality, and would love to see a truly colorblind society where people are actually judged according to the content of their character, and not the color of their skin. If someone of African decent were to run for president that actually believed in some of the ideals this country was founded on, I would get behind them 100%, not caring in the slightest what they looked like.

[Recluse]

I'm an admirer of Roy Innes, and I'd vote for Condi Rice without a second thought. In fact, I'd support her over Palin easily. That's a no-brainer.

The only politicians I hate more than Obama at the moment are Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer.

But according to Joe, that would also make me a sexist and an anti-semite in addition to my racism. Toss Barney Frank in there and I can add homophobe to the mix, eh?

There is little I hate more than a liberal who clings to his guns, but is content to let someone else fire them in his defense.

:coffee:

[462]

Recluse,
Is it possible that we are brothers who were seperated at birth?

[joeb33050]

[B]


[COLOR=#000000]
Try reading the paper below, written under the George (WMD) Bush administration, to see some truth leak out.

http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/45451.pdf

Here’s the
Concluding Observations
[FONT=Times New Roman]While U.N. bodies have adopted resolutions and a “firearms protocol,” these efforts have focused on the availability of firearms manufactured and obtained illegally and on the use or misuse of these firearms in the criminal arena, including for organized crime, and/or to facilitate the spread of or prolongation of conflict. During meetings and negotiations in U.N. bodies, U.S. representatives have focused on the need to combat organized crime and to reduce out-of-control violence and conflict by limiting the availability of firearms, light weapons, and small arms that contribute to and aggravate these situations. They have made it clear that the reduction of crime and conflict is a primary goal of the United States. They have supported U.S. Second Amendment rights of citizens to firearms. As the experience with the OAS Convention and the U.N. Protocol illustrates, any international treaties in this area would not bind the United States unless these documents were acted on favorably by the U.S. Senate, if the President
decided to transmit the treaty to the Senate for its consideration.
joe b.

[45nut]

This is not political. This is reality.
I'm quite confident a few will whine that this belongs in the Politics forum, but I'll adamantly disagree.

This is not about politics. This is about reality.

I am certainly not one to defend ebola,, but merely declaring something to be non-political does not make it so.
All gun control with the exception of that moment when one is actually handling a firearm is by definition political, ask any of the victims of said policies whether their right to bear arms was mangled by politics or "facts" as presented by their governments.
Proclamations is how Ebola wants to govern, example A is his stand on the so called health care he is currently pushing, he declares it is not about partisanship, but the only ones believing that are heavy consumers of flavor-aide Jim Jones style.

I realize we have thousands of reasons to register our contempt with the process, but using their tactics and maneuvers to persuade our allies that what is,, isn't,,and what isn't , is, plays right into their hands.
Truth and facts are the sole defense against these maggots, the cockroaches depend on false flags and deception, being exposed to the light of truth is the only way to rid them from the war against Liberty, we alone bear the burden of sticking to the truth.
Let's remember this fight is all politics, and never waver from the facts. They are on our side.

[jr545]

I for one am thankful for threads like this.... Kinda opens a window to the souls of the membership.
As I consider myself a guest in someone else's house(45Nut), I'll hold my tongue except to say there are a few here I'd like to share a beer with [edit]


<My apologies to the mods. I'll endevor to be more tactful in the future.>

[Echo]

Someone a lot smarter than I once said that there are three ways of explaining observable situations or circumstances. Namely, Rationalization (thinking about it), Faith (believing what someone else tells us), and Empiricism (doing a scientific experiment). we need all of them.

Rationalization gives us an idea about the true state of nature, but that's all - an idea. The idea can lead to performing experiments to confirm, or deny, our thoughts.

Faith comes in when we can't do the experiments ourselves, and must rely on others' findings.

For example:

Consider going to a Big Band concert, and noticing smoke rising from the back (trumpet) section. Obviously someone is toking up (you know those trumpet players). The thought comes to mind, "Why does smoke go Up? Why doesn't it go Down?". Hmmm. Well, it's obvious. It Goes Up, because it Belongs Up. Problem solved. That's Rationalization.

Your pal, next to you, says "I wonder why that smoke is going Up", and you answer "It goes Up, because it Belongs Up", and he says "Oh - I see". That's Faith.

The other pal, on the other side of Pal 1, asks "Why is it that smoke goes Up?", and Pal 1 says "It goes up because it Belongs Up." Pal 2 is skeptical, so when he gets home he goes into his lab and does some experiments, and finds that that which we call 'Smoke' is really ash and unburned particles entrained in the hot gas stemming from combustion. The hot gas is lighter than the air around it, so it floats up. Simple, and accurate, explanation of why smoke Goes Up. That's Empiricism.

The experiments re gun control have been performed, and the results are right there for all to see. Reducing gun control reduces crime. No matter that we may have the idea that, with all the guns gone, there will be less, or no, crime - that idea has been shown to be false, and the opposite to be true.

The same can be said for Socialism, Communism, Fascism, Stateism, and some other 'explanations' that some take on faith, without examining, or being aware of, the experiments performed that dispel those notions.

If the people who propose gun control are aware of the failed experiments, why should they espouse those failed tenets? It's easy to say Power - and that may be the reason in many cases. There may be other reasons, but they really don't matter - people who embrace gun control are either ignorant or have some other agenda that the gun control agenda will support. The important thing is that they want to take away our guns - the reason is unimportant, the action is, and that is what we have to fight.

Sometime I DO go on...

[BOOM BOOM]

Hi,
i fear you are right!

If ye are prepaired, ye shall not fear.
D&c 38:30

they that plow iniquity, and sow wickedness shall reap the same.
Job 4:8

[montana_charlie]

The important thing is that they want to take away our guns - the reason is unimportant, the action is, and that is what we have to fight.

It's tough to take guns away from old coots who have always known they have a fundamental right to have them. Even tougher when those old coots know the right predates any laws devised by our government, including the Constitution.

But, it will get easier if kids can be raised with the feeling that guns are something to be shunned. Their parents may not be inclined to instill that aversion, but the national education system is dedicated to doing it.

Here is a recent example...
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,588183,00.html

I frequently mention the progressive's contention that being 'uncomfortable' is cause for all kinds of changes. Here, they are doing it again, but keep this in mind...

They would be just as quick to suspend the kid if the other students were made to feel 'uncomfortable' because he was wearing a crucifix, or a Star of David.

Kids feel 'uncomfortable' because the teachers train them to have that feeling whenever a 'banned' subject comes up.

CM

[gray wolf]

As a veteran (US Army door gunner) and having spent some time behind
a shield or tin --take your pick (Glendale 308 to be exact)
I spit on the two people here that have embarrassed this forum with there statements.
Good riddens to you--And I hope you enjoy the black boot that will soon be on your necks.
I for one will not miss you--in this life or the next.
Run, and you may live--for a while-
Don't let this kind of scum get to you boys --remember how few there were that took back the country. Ain't going to be any different this time, and there ain't no escaping the fight.
So to the pantie waist [edit] LEAD FOLLOW OR GET OUT OF THE WAY. Oooo Raaa.
I have been seeing this country go down hill for years now,
The commie ,pinko,puke face, liberal [edit]will not win. Not on our watch.
I have to be on a board like this and think I have to defend myself from the likes of the
two [edit] that posted? I think not---- good (fill in the blanks) BY.
Thanks for the post and to all that stand behind it and the flag

[Charlie Sometimes]

I copied and sent Recluses original post and information to all friends and family in my address book- I added a forward with my own comments, too.

I'm behind you all the way, and in front when you get tired of being a point man.
That's the way it has to be if we want to take back this country peacefully.
If it gets to the other condition, the same will be said as well.
Lots of good men and women have died for our country in the past- no reason to let them down now.

SEMPER FIDELIS!

[waksupi]

Well said,Recluse.
Those who are afraid they will end up on a list, are not the kind I would depend on, or trust to watch my back. They are parasites.
I'm tired of liberals like JoeB dredging up racism for a defense of Obama. Liberals are the ones with a deeply ingrained guilt about racism, as they are the ones who over the years have done their best to prevent equal rights. They are the ones who made the gun control laws from the first, so the blacks could not be armed. They passed laws that made it nearly impossible for blacks to vote.
Conservative thinkers believe any man can be what he can make of himself. They do not see a person by their color, but judge them by their actions and deeds. And that, is why Obama is seen as a disaster, not his color.

[joeb33050]

While interested in the comments of the free-thinkers here, all of you seem to have missed the point(s).
The UN and its member nations have NOT advocated taking away the guns of people in the USA. Look it up, see my post above for a place to start, or just search on "un gun control usa" and look for some unbiased reports.
The fear about the UN advocating the confiscation of guns from USA gun owners is a product of the NRA, of Wayne and his minions. It ain't true, Wayne knows it ain't true but fear is the product of him and the NRA.
In the event that the UN DID demand the confiscation of guns in the USA, nothing would happen unless and until State and/or Federal laws were passed requiring that confiscation. The UN doesn't make laws for member nations, never claimed to, never tried to, and ain't going to.
Now you may be Glenn Beck /Rush Limbaugh apostles, but I hope that you haven't completely lost any notion of objectivity.
Liberals have liberal opinions, conservatives have conservative opinions, but NEITHER should believe ostensibly factual material that is a lie. I believe that it is the responsibility of speakers/posters to investigate and find the truth before speaking or posting.
Get the FACTS right, then offer opinions. Lies do not further your agenda-you're lying to the chior who wants to hear the lies. If you want to change the minds of others you must present truthful reasoned and reasonable arguments.
Barack Obama was elected by the majority of voters and a majority of electors as the President of the USA. Referring to him, our president, as "ebola" or as a "muslim" merely confirms the opposition in their position of ignoring your rants.
If you don't deal with facts, if you won't do the little bit of work required to eliminate lies and rumors, if you continue to fail to be civil in your talk and writing-then just form a circle and have at it.
Only my opinion, my right to express it being protected by the constitution-which few of you have ever seen.
joe b.

[Recluse]

Give it up, Joe.

When you call us racists based upon our deep dislike of the president and his policies/views/actions, what little shred of credibility you had left flew out the door.

Face it: You're part of the problem, not the solution.

:coffee:

[Lead Fred]

Lead Fred,
Paranoid, are you? Don't worry, though, as there are still many millions of us who are willing to fight the fight, while you try to ignore it.

And, if that's the way you feel about this forum, I doubt that any more of your input would be worthwhile, so good-bye.

By the way, you and joeb33050 are the first two members to be added to my Ignore List. Reckon I won't be able to read your rely. Shucks.

Talk about uncivilized. Im glad you wont see what I have to say.

I will fight, on MY terms. I am a guerrilla fighter, Thats the way the Army showed us how to be effective when out numbered.

So you run out and get kilt in the first wave. Thanks for setting the rule of patriotism so low.


All because so many hate the notion of a Black man in the White Houes.

This is not true. This is what the fear mongers are trying to pass off and the reason why folks dont like Obama.

It has nothing to do with a half black Kenyan/Indonesian being in the white house

It has to do with the socialist global aggenda he and the liberals are trying to cram down the peoples throats.

Thats what has the majority of WE the People [edit].

[Duckiller]

Joe calling people "goons" does not win arguments or endear you to your audience. You have called me a goon twice in this thread and I haven't posted anything until now. This is a very polite forum that has very little name calling or insulting other members. As one member to another I would request that you refrain from name calling and suggest that you edit your previous posts calling everyone a goon. Jeff Lowry

[Heavy lead]

Haven't posted on this thread, but would consider it an honor to be one of JoeB's goons. I take it as a compliment.

[fatnhappy]

if you continue to fail to be civil in your talk and writing-then just form a circle and have at it.


I would expect no less from such a deep thinker. First you call us goons then have the chutzpah to lecture us on civility.



Only my opinion, my right to express it being protected by the constitution-which few of you have ever seen.
joe b.

It isn't often I'm awe struck at a forum post. If you truly believe your statement, it only validates my opinion of you.
Which BTW, I have an equal right to express.

I am glad you spoke up Sir. Your inability to write without intentionally insulting everyone that has raised their right hand in service to our Republic, has undermined your fabrications more than any cogent argument.

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[joeb33050]

I am glad you spoke up Sir. Your inability to write without intentionally insulting everyone that has raised their right hand in service to our Republic, has undermined your fabrications more than any cogent argument.


I didn't insult myself, I spent 4 years in the USAF.
I didn't insult my brother Pete, who spent 3 years in the US Army, 13 months in Vietnam.
I didn't insult my brother Tom, who joined the US Army and died in Vietnam on 20 June, 1968.
I sincerely hope that "goon" is the worst thing anyone calls you, you goon.
joe b.

[Beekeeper]

Waksupi,
I see where you edited a post saying personal attacks are not allowed here!

What about the attack Recluse and the others have made against anyone who is not a member of the NRA.

Recluse and I had this conversation once before and he personally guaranteed me he would find an answer and he has never answered one way or the other.
So it seems to be that it is OK for him to make accusations and point a finger at others but not for them to be able to do the same.

Maybe Recluse should be edited once in a while instead of everyone else because we disagree with him.

Not being a member of the NRA is a very personal thing for me and I resent his accusations.

And for the information of any who think I don't care I am a 25 year Navy retiree and I earned my right to an opinion


Jim

[GSM]

"Now you goons may be Glenn Beck /Rush Limbaugh apostles, but I hope that you haven't completely lost any notion of objectivity."

"...if you continue to fail to be civil in your talk and writing-then just form a circle..."

Seems like a bit of as do I say, not as I do. Seems I've seen this recently. In DC maybe?

PS: You don't know me and I don't know you. I would appreciate it if you did not refer to me as a goon.

Thanks.

[Recluse]

Waksupi,
I see where you edited a post saying personal attacks are not allowed here!

What about the attack Recluse and the others have made against anyone who is not a member of the NRA.

Recluse and I had this conversation once before and he personally guaranteed me he would find an answer and he has never answered one way or the other.
So it seems to be that it is OK for him to make accusations and point a finger at others but not for them to be able to do the same.

Maybe Recluse should be edited once in a while instead of everyone else because we disagree with him.

Not being a member of the NRA is a very personal thing for me and I resent his accusations.


Jim

Jim

NRA. . . GOA. . . Second Amendment Foundation. . . your local state rifle association. . .

Doesn't matter WHICH organization, just make your voice heard collectively.

And for the record, I talked personally with four different NRA senior-level executives, two of whom are Vietnam veterans, both were grunts and one was a draftee, after you told me what had happened to you overseas.

I stayed in touch with these folks for over six weeks as they looked, searched, talked and queried everyone from members to employees to past employees to veterans groups.

Nobody had heard of such a thing.

NOT saying it did not happen to you. Not saying that at all. Am saying that nobody else has heard of it.

But you know what else? I got shafted by the VA shortly after I got discharged, and when I went to the military (I was still in the reserves), I got zero help from them.

Maybe I should hold a grudge against ALL of the DoD and military and refuse to support anything they do or anyone who serves with them at present?

It was not the VA or the military in its entirety that shafted me--it was a small handful of people who had no business having the jobs/responsibilities they had. I suppose I could've spent the rest of my life despising the military, but that would be paramount to cutting off my nose to spite my face.

Second point, I use the NRA as an example of making your voice heard in order to PROTECT YOUR VOICE. There are other pro-gun organizations out there. Join one. Lend your name and your voice to the Bill of Rights and to our freedoms. I don't agree with a lot the GOA says, but I gave them my name and some money. One more name on their roster and a few more dollars to raise hell with.

Either way, sulking over something that happened 50 years ago and holding almost five-million present members responsible is pretty short-sighted and selfish. Maybe I should quit donating money to the VFW, Legion, VA charity drives and all the "help the troops" stuff that is going on since I got f'd over many years ago. :rolleyes:

Sorry, but the well-being and future of my country and fellow citizens is a little more important than some beef I had with the military/VA way over half my life ago.

Final question: Why don't YOU contact the NRA and tell them what happened to you back in SE Asia and ask them to see if they can find out anything?

Or, why not ask the American Legion or VFW to do so on your behalf?

Why not ask one of your esteemed Senators, Feinstein or Boxer, to investigate it for you? They hate the NRA as bad as you do and would LOVE the opportunity to see them scandalized.

It's your fight, Jim. Not mine. Not anyone else's.

:coffee:

[waksupi]

Since people can't seem to be civil on this thread, it is hereby closed.