1891 argentine ????????? buehler help

[357maximum]

I NEED HELP ;-)

I need to know whether or not a 1893/94/96 mauser Buehler type low scope safety will fit an 1891 argentine. Anyone have an answer?

I saw it somewhere on Al Gore's internet that the 91 will not accept the other smallrings aftermarket safety......I need to know for sure before I warm the credit card up.


If the 91 will not take the 93-96 safety...where would one get a 91 version? I have been looking and came up empty. I did see where someone on a site I forget where now says they no longer make them.

thanks,
Michael

[Larry Gibson]

I'm afraid ithe after market safties and triggers won't fit on a M91 Mauser. The trigger and safeties are completely different. I'm sure some one out there has figgured out a way to modify the safety for low scope mounting. I've given it some thought over the years but haven't gotten around to trying anything. I use issue, Lyman aperture or scout scopes on my M91s.

Sorry. If you research it and find something please let us know.

Larry Gibson

[357maximum]

I saw one reference where a feller put the bolt internals from a 93 into the 91 to get around this. When I get the 91 I will try my 93 parts....if not I will find another way. They made a 91 buehler, but they are out of print apparently.

[KCSO]

Here is the modification but it's labor intensive. You cut the wing off of the old safety and weld on a new wing, shape and checker it. The new wing stands at 2 o clock and is OFF in the up position. By pushing it down to the 3 o clock position it latches into the first detent and the gun is on safe, but the bolt handle is not locked. The standard safety is off at 9 o clock and on at noon bolt moves and bolt locked and on at 3 o clock. I bend my new wing slightly and checker the top so it is easy to push down to on. I have one to do some time this week and I'll try and remember pictures.

[357maximum]

Here is the modification but it's labor intensive. You cut the wing off of the old safety and weld on a new wing, shape and checker it. The new wing stands at 2 o clock and is OFF in the up position. By pushing it down to the 3 o clock position it latches into the first detent and the gun is on safe, but the bolt handle is not locked. The standard safety is off at 9 o clock and on at noon bolt moves and bolt locked and on at 3 o clock. I bend my new wing slightly and checker the top so it is easy to push down to on. I have one to do some time this week and I'll try and remember pictures.

Thanks for the info:bigsmyl2:....and I will go out of my way to remind you about the pictures.[smilie=l::bigsmyl2: Basically what I was scheming in my brain, but seeing the pics from someone who knows what he is doing and has done it would be a huge asset.[smilie=p:

[leadman]

Years ago I bought my 91 safeties (2) from Numrich. Must be they don't carry them anymore.

I wonder if Timney would have this?

[dualsport]

I have one in my hand, a Buehler '91 safety. Nope. But I can vouch that they exist. Sorry, I'm gloating again. Actually it's attached to my Argie, somebody DTd it and put on a what looks like a Redfield one piece base and an old Weaver 3x9. Bent the bolt too.

[357maximum]

I have one in my hand, a Buehler '91 safety. Nope. But I can vouch that they exist. Sorry, I'm gloating again. Actually it's attached to my Argie, somebody DTd it and put on a what looks like a Redfield one piece base and an old Weaver 3x9. Bent the bolt too.

Any possibility of a few pics of the rifle with scope and a closeup of the safety.

Not nice to tease a feller like that..........someone learned you up wrong.:bigsmyl2:

[Uncle Grinch]

Not sure if this really works, but I'm sure someone here can confirm it....

Read this from a Gunbroker post...

http://forums.gunbroker.com/icon_posticon.gifPosted - 08/31/2009 : 8:51:32 PM http://forums.gunbroker.com/icon_profile.gif (http://forums.gunbroker.com/pop_profile.asp?mode=display&id=9337) http://forums.gunbroker.com/icon_reply_topic.gif (http://forums.gunbroker.com/post.asp?method=ReplyQuote&REPLY_ID=3139562&TOPIC_ID=397195&FORUM_ID=2) "Brownells has Buehler safeties for 1898, '93 thru '96. )these will not fit a m-91. the easyest way to get around this is to exchange the m-91 firing pin assy. (f.p., bolt shroud, safty et.all) for a m-95/93 one. then use the buehler or mk-2 safty. buehler and others used to make safties for the 91, but they have been 'out of print' for some time.

[badgeredd]

Not sure if this really works, but I'm sure someone here can confirm it....

Read this from a Gunbroker post...

http://forums.gunbroker.com/icon_posticon.gifPosted - 08/31/2009 : 8:51:32 PM http://forums.gunbroker.com/icon_profile.gif (http://forums.gunbroker.com/pop_profile.asp?mode=display&id=9337) http://forums.gunbroker.com/icon_reply_topic.gif (http://forums.gunbroker.com/post.asp?method=ReplyQuote&REPLY_ID=3139562&TOPIC_ID=397195&FORUM_ID=2) "Brownells has Buehler safeties for 1898, '93 thru '96. )these will not fit a m-91. the easyest way to get around this is to exchange the m-91 firing pin assy. (f.p., bolt shroud, safty et.all) for a m-95/93 one. then use the buehler or mk-2 safty. buehler and others used to make safties for the 91, but they have been 'out of print' for some time.

Yep it will...with a little finesse.

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/818/safetyoff.jpg

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/5094/safetyon.jpg

Edd

[dualsport]

I know, that was cold. Couldn't help it. I've never posted a picture before, but I'll try. Be patient. It does look just like any other Buehler safety, but with a bit of rust on it. I'll study up on the picture thing. When I tried before Photobucket rejected me! Wouldn't let me register for some reason. I used to have a bad habit, hanging out in gun stores and gunsmith shops, I'd dig thru their "junk" barrels in the back and find some great stuff, that's where I got my Argie. Funny thing is it's deadly accurate.

[badgeredd]

I know, that was cold. Couldn't help it. I've never posted a picture before, but I'll try. Be patient. It does look just like any other Buehler safety, but with a bit of rust on it. I'll study up on the picture thing. When I tried before Photobucket rejected me! Wouldn't let me register for some reason. I used to have a bad habit, hanging out in gun stores and gunsmith shops, I'd dig thru their "junk" barrels in the back and find some great stuff, that's where I got my Argie. Funny thing is it's deadly accurate.


You can try using another image hosting site....here's one I just started using because it is also compatible with my Linux computer operating system.

http://imageshack.us/

Edd

[leadman]

Go to the bottom of the page to Quick Reply, hit Go Advanced. It will let you attach pictures.

[dualsport]

Thanks guys, I will get a kid to help me, once I've seen it done I'll have it in the bag. I did email pics of the safety to 357M, that was a big leap for me.

[dualsport]

Idea crossed my mind, you guys that can't find the safety you want, what if you installed a Timney trigger with a safety on it?

[357maximum]

Idea crossed my mind, you guys that can't find the safety you want, what if you installed a Timney trigger with a safety on it?

Have you ever seen the amount of material that is need to be removed in order to use on of them? I find it objectionable, others do not though. The 93/93/96 also takes a different trigger than the 91. Totally different set up they are.

Here is an "in process" 1891 sporter that wears modified 1893 bolt internals and a 93 Buehler.

I would like to thank a very talented good ol egg for getting me to this point...THANK YOU

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l80/357maximum/M91-B4028.jpg

[Tazman1602]

Hey Max,

Man I LOVE the look of that "flat" on the Ruger type bolt handle -- IS it flat or is it just the way the light hits it? Looks really nice at any rate.

Those grinding marks will come right out of the handle with some craytex rounds and a dremel too if you didn't already know..

Art

[357maximum]

The bolt knob was round when my toolmaker buddy got done with it. Well I needed more room under the bolt for my fat paw and digits so I btoke out the 4inch grinder and flatenned the bottom. It looked wrong with just the bottom flatted...so I did the top also. The bolt is already shiney..have dremel, but no traveling please:bigsmyl2: I like it also thanks for liking it too.:bigsmyl2:

I actually shot her quite a bit today....so far so good. She likes to go fast. I was thinking plinker gun...but she wants to be speedy so a hunting rifle she will be.

[dualsport]

It probably seems obvious enough but the '91 Argie is a dandy hunting rifle, in my book. Took my nephew pig hunting, we ended up sneaking up on two together. He shot his using the '91 with Hornady factory 150 ammo, I shot mine with a 30-06 with a similar PMC load, both pigs went over backwards and died where they landed. It's amazing that something invented that long ago can still compete side by side with modern cartridges. Now that I've rekindled my interest in the old girl I want to do something with the trigger, it's pretty heavy. 357, congratulations on some fine shooting.

[KCSO]

Here is a Krag that I re did because I couldn't find a Buehler safety. The safety is on in the up position and down in the off position and the only chnages to the rifle are a extra safety lever and the grinding of a pathway for the cocking piece, and another detent. The detent has to be cut with a carbide 1/8" ball and is the only change to the rifle itself and does not interfear if you put a factory safety back on. You do need to grind a small ramp on the rear of the safety wing to cam up the cocking piece, but the whole job is a 30 minute fix and works very well. Below are pictures off and on.

By the way the two bullets nestled together in the second photo are typical of the groups this rifle shoots at 50 yards and it will go under 2" at 100 pretty regularly. The only problem is the offset scope mount. Sighted dead on at 50 it's 1 1/2" to the right at 100 and 3 at 200 and so on.

[vonfilm]

Several years ago I inquired at my local old time gun store and they had two in stock, which i purchased. I used one and am saving the other for a future project You might call gun shops who have been in business for many years and see if they have any new old stock of them.

[vonfilm]

Here is a link tothe Huber replacement trigger for the 1891 Argentine:

http://www.huberconcepts.com/Argentine_Mauser_Trigger_Replacement.htm

[dieselpowered]

This is a very late contribution, but I recently modified a 96 Swede safety (Buehler/Timney type to fit one of my 91 Argentines.
This type has a square shouldeer on the removable lever which can be verrrrry carefully rounded with a Dremel tool and files to match the contour of thegroove in the bolt shroud of the 91 until it fits as if made that way. For those lucky ones who have a mill, the rounded groove in the bolt shroud can be milled square to accept the unmodified 93/95/96 Buehler type safety. The safety shaft is the same for all of the small ring actions; it is only the groove follower that is different. I have not made pix of my method, but if anyone is interested, I would be glad to.

[leadman]

This is an old thread but thought I would post my results of trying to mix components to get the aftermarket to work, specificaly the Timney Buehler style.
I tried bolt components from a 93 Spanish, 96 Swedish, and what I think were a couple of pieces from a 95. None of these worked. I also tried installing the bolt parts from a 96 Swede in a 91 Arg. This did not work either.
I looks like dieselpowered method might work so I will go to Timney Monday and ask them.

[leadman]

I think I have the safety issue resolved!!! I was having a bad night last night and could not sleep so got out my 1891 Sporter with the Buehler safety and an as issued Swede 96.
The Buehler safety from the 1891 fits the 96 and functions as it should. I then went on line and starting searching for the buehler safety for the 96.
I found 1,500 of them on Gunbroker!

The guy had obtained all the remaining parts from Kimber when they went out of business. This not only includes the safeties, but trigger guards, etc.

I have 3 of them coming so hold off buying any until I confirm they do fit in the 1891. Also Timney no longer makes this safety for the 96.

Here is the guys screen name on Gunbroker: gunparts2112. His name is Tom.

[leadman]

The safeties arrived and fit the 96 Swedish Mauser without alteration. It will take a little work with a Dremel to fit the wing over the hump on the bolt shroud.
I will take pictures and post them in my other thread when I do the modification.