416 Remington favorite loads

[2shot]

I have a 416 Remington that's been sitting in the safe for years along with a RCBS 350 grain boolit mold and all the equipment, dies, cases etc. to go along with it. I don't see much written about the 416 Rem and was wondering what some of your favorite lead bullet loads are for this cartridge.

With J boolits or factory loads the 416 doesn't get much bang for the buck. It seems like the 416 Rem would be a natural for hunting with lead boolits. Anybody have any lead loads for this thumper?

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[2shot]

:holysheep No wonder factroy ammo and brass is so expensive, it seem like I'm the only person that shoots this cartridge. Maybe I can talk Remington into rebarreling this rifle to 375 H&H at n/c and they can use the 416 cartridge forming presses to produce something that's more popular and out of stock that people shoot and need.

If that doesn't happen I'll just keep it as a souvenir of Remington's try at reinventing the wheel.

LOL

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[wmitty]

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I just saw your post and I agree with you, the .416 seems like it would be an excellent choice for cast. I have looked for one with this thought in mind, but not
many to be found around here in north Texas. I have two .375's and they are really great with cast and I figured a .416 would be even better. Hope you go ahead and shoot some cast in yours and let us know of your results.

I believe a few of the folks here have described shooting cast in their .416 Rigby's,
but I don't recall seeing a posting on the smaller cartridge.

[Three44s]

A friend of mine had one and tried to shoot cast in his ........ he traded it off because it was keyholing .......

I was hoping you would try yours and have some success (I don't know if he was hasty in letting his go)

Three 44s

[405]

No mystery why so many of them sit in safes. They truly are a specialty item. In the safes, they sit in place of or right along side all the .458 Wins, 458 Lotts, 416 Rigbys, 460 Weatherbys and so on. The 416 Rem was designed as a large dangerous game round not a range or target plinker and for sure not for most North American game save the largest bears. The basic cartridge, a step up from the 375 HH, is a very good design for its purpose. With full house factory 400 gr. Jbullet loads it's about all any one wishes to endure a little bench time with- my limit is about 5 rounds from the bench before the embryonic migraines start.

About cast bullets in them... the 416 Rem seems very similar to most of the other big smokeless boomers. Load them down so they can be enjoyed at the range. Even with tamed down cast loads, they are perfectly adequate for most all our hunting at reasonable ranges. The 416 Rem does have a neck long enough to handle gas checked cast up to about 350 gr. without seating the base too far into the case body. Also, I've found light charges of powders like 4759 and 5744 to work well.

[Nobade]

A case full of Trailboss makes the 416 into a dandy all round rifle. About 1500 fps with that RCBS 350, plenty of power for most anything you'd want to shoot at and very light recoil. That's the beauty of big guns, loaded from light to heavy they're very versatile. You can always load down a big gun, but not make a little one bigger!

[abob]

+1 Nobade --- Was debating adding my two cents but after reading your post I have to chime in. I have several big calibers and I love them all. The 458 WM is awesome for cast and especially shines with paper patch. Have shot maybe 20 whitetails with it, you can't beat it in the brush. And brass last forever when you don't load to full pressure. Unless you punch a critter square in the shoulder you don't get a lot of meat damage.

The 416 Remington should be excellent for paper patch, even full strength loads should not be too fast for paper patch to handle. As Noblade points out you don't have to rev it up to full strength if you don't want to. Am building up a 416 Taylor on old P-14 action, which is just about the same ballistically, and look forward to using for long shots on whitetail,muley or elk.

Bob.

[Just Duke]

:holysheep No wonder factroy ammo and brass is so expensive, it seem like I'm the only person that shoots this cartridge. Maybe I can talk Remington into rebarreling this rifle to 375 H&H at n/c and they can use the 416 cartridge forming presses to produce something that's more popular and out of stock that people shoot and need.

If that doesn't happen I'll just keep it as a souvenir of Remington's try at reinventing the wheel.

LOL

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I just lined one up on a trade NIB 416 Remington in a Winchester Safari.
PM sent with my phone number. :bigsmyl2:
The other two Safari grades I got lined up are 375 and 458 Winchester. So I'm learning as I go.

[Just Duke]

+1 Nobade --- Was debating adding my two cents but after reading your post I have to chime in. I have several big calibers and I love them all. The 458 WM is awesome for cast and especially shines with paper patch. Have shot maybe 20 whitetails with it, you can't beat it in the brush. And brass last forever when you don't load to full pressure. Unless you punch a critter square in the shoulder you don't get a lot of meat damage.

The 416 Remington should be excellent for paper patch, even full strength loads should not be too fast for paper patch to handle. As Noblade points out you don't have to rev it up to full strength if you don't want to. Am building up a 416 Taylor on old P-14 action, which is just about the same ballistically, and look forward to using for long shots on whitetail,muley or elk.

Bob.

Abob, Can you share your .458 data with us?

[Just Duke]

I found one! :)



I have a 416 remington TRG made by sako and it has a 1 in 14 twist.... with the 350 gr RCBS molds this rifle shoot 1 to 1 and a half inche group all day with any combination of powder but with 72 gr of imr 4831 well cloverleaf.... I must say I am very lucky according to are great and informative conversation....

[Just Duke]

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[Hardcast416taylor]

My .416 Taylor, necked down .458 case, is no safe Queen. People that try it end up wanting one like it. It is a worker and fun gun rolled in one. I use the 350 RCBS mold, Buckshot did a H.P. job on it and now I have a 385 gr. Paper Patch mold for it as well as using jacketed ammo componets. I also have a custom 400 gr. lube groove mold in the future.Robert

[frank505]

Some years ago I was over at John Linebaughs shop, he just got a Winchester 416. Next time I brought a pile of the RCBS 350 grain and dropped 75 grains of Re 15 in the case. Chrono'ed at 2000 fps and shot at 1.5 inches at a hundred with irons. Nice load, just got lucky with the load.
My 416 Taylor is not a safe queen either, been packing it around lately just because I like it and what happens when a 400 grain cast at 2200 hits things. Also impressed with old Hornady softs, cant seem to recover one yet...............

[Just Duke]

Finally rolled in. [smilie=w:


http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad54/LEVERACTIONSHOOTERS/WINCHESTER%2070/416REM4.jpg

[Just Duke]

[smilie=w:

[ricksplace]

Abob, Can you share your .458 data with us?

I'm not Abob, but I have some 458 data I can share. My 458 is built on a 98 mauser with a 24" shaw barrel. I have two molds, RCBS 300 FNGC and Lee 500 FNGC. The 300 shoots well with 21 gr of Unique (not chronographed yet) but I suspect around 1500 fps. The 500 gr Lee shoots well with either 45gr of 4198 (chrono'd at 1750) or 65 gr of Nobel 104 (very similar to 4350 short cut). I find the 458 very versatile with just about any load you want to try. I size my boolits to .4595 and use Alox/beeswax and air cooled wheel weights. I have found that I can't shoot air cooled wheel weights much over 1750 or accuracy goes to heck, regardless of what calibre I'm shooting. However, a 500 gr at 1750 is no sparrowfart load. Folks say "That load will shoot through a railroad tie lengthwise". They are probably right.

Rick.

[Just Duke]

RCBS 350 grain .416 Remington Mould.
I'm going to ladel pour the next batch.


http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad54/LEVERACTIONSHOOTERS/WINCHESTER%2070/416CAST1.jpg

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad54/LEVERACTIONSHOOTERS/WINCHESTER%2070/416CAST2.jpg

[Just Duke]

:bigsmyl2:

[Just Duke]

I'm not Abob, but I have some 458 data I can share. My 458 is built on a 98 mauser with a 24" shaw barrel. I have two molds, RCBS 300 FNGC and Lee 500 FNGC. The 300 shoots well with 21 gr of Unique (not chronographed yet) but I suspect around 1500 fps. The 500 gr Lee shoots well with either 45gr of 4198 (chrono'd at 1750) or 65 gr of Nobel 104 (very similar to 4350 short cut). I find the 458 very versatile with just about any load you want to try. I size my boolits to .4595 and use Alox/beeswax and air cooled wheel weights. I have found that I can't shoot air cooled wheel weights much over 1750 or accuracy goes to heck, regardless of what calibre I'm shooting. However, a 500 gr at 1750 is no sparrowfart load. Folks say "That load will shoot through a railroad tie lengthwise". They are probably right.

Rick.

I'll try this one.

[Just Duke]

My new family


Here's all three starting from the top.
.458 Winchester Magnum Leupold 1.5-5X Lighted Circle Dot 30MM
.416 Remington Magnum Leupold 3X9 European Duplex 30MM
.375 H&H Magnum 3X9 European Duplex 30MM
.270 Winchester 3X9 VariX II Duplex 1 inch
Talley QD Rings

http://i921.photobucket.com/albums/ad54/LEVERACTIONSHOOTERS/WINCHESTER%2070/SAFARI1.jpg

[Just Duke]

BTT :bigsmyl2:

[Just Duke]

Btt.................

[Just Duke]

4759 because of it's bulk
5744 because it is not position sensitive.
Those are pretty compelling reasons directed at the shooters safety. A lot of other powders are marginal selections but good ignition can be a problem with your case capacity. I use ballistic fillers with cast bullets and Rel#7, H4895 in my .458 Win Mag.

A great cast load without filler needed for the 416 Rem Mag is the RCBS 416-350 FN mold cast with wheel weight alloy and gas checked. 37.5 gr 5744 = 1708 fps
50.5 gr 9 (MAX) = 2125 fps. Data from new Lyman #4 cast bullet handbook.

That 350 gr cast flat nose will topple a polar bear at the start load level with 5744....What are you shootin at guy?

Plus consider the fun factor with cast bullets. My .458 cast loads cost me less than 29 cents each, they will knock over the same polar bear a just as hard. and I easily afforded to shoot it over 600 times this summer. I shoot a 340 grain cast bullet with no gas check at 1700 fps. This load groups <1"@50 yards for me or my grandson. Recoil is less than a .308 sporter with my 10 pound scoped Colt/Sauer Grand African .458. I use that load for deer-bear in New York State.

Gary

http://www.reloadersnest.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=15823

[Just Duke]

If you just want to shoot the rifle, and get acqainted with the weapon, have some great fun doing it, and not get beat-up in the process, here's a suggestion.

BTB .417"-335gLFNGC/24.0g Alliant 2400/WLR primer/Remington Brass/1" square of 3/8" polyester quilt batting filler

Here's a link to the bullets:

Beartooth Bullets .416 Caliber bullet selection

This load is just plain addicting! Many (most actually) customers report that this load will literally shoot a ragged hole at 75 yards with a scoped rifle. Velocities will be somewhere around 1200 fps depending upon your barrel length.

The key to accuracy with this load is to seat the cast bullet to just slightly engage the lands of the throat when a round is chambered, such that slight engraving marks are left on the ogive when a loaded round is removed from the chamber.

This load puts the fun back into shooting those big boomers! Especially if you've got shoulder injury issues.

God bless,
http://forum.exbabylon.net/showthread.htm?t=33352

[win shooter]

Has anyone used this bullet (RCBS 350 GC FN) in the REM .416 with SR 4759 or IMR 3031? I am looking for a speed of 1800+/- I will be using the Fed 215 primer and fillers if recommened.

Any help would be appreciated, WS

[rockrat]

Haven't shot my 416 yet, but I do shoot 38.5gr 4759 with a 310gr boolit in my 375 H&H @2000fps. Plan on starting around there for my 375gr Accurate mould boolit. With a mag primer, I don't use any fillers with the H&H load.

[win shooter]

Thanks Rockrat, That does sound about right to start with. With the heavier bullet and a little larger case volume the velocity should be around 1800fps.

[Rustybob]

I do have a 416 rem in win. safari.but not as yet to cast any bullets for it yet. but it is a thumper on both ends with a full load of rl15 and a 400gr