In would like to do something with these barrels.

[Lucky Joe]

I have these two .35 cal. barrels and want to do something with them. My first thoughts are to stub an H&R since I already have a stock, receiver and fore end. And perhaps have one cut down and rebarrel a .357 Blackhawk.
These are initial thoughts, looking for more ideas.
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[Blammer]

357 max in the H&R will be the ticked for one, if it were mine.

[Lucky Joe]

Thanks Blammer, the chamber will actually accept a .357 Maximum cartridge.

[jbunny]

i'd pop one in a martini cadet action.
jb

[Lucky Joe]

i'd pop one in a martini cadet action.
jb

Good one harder to come by though I would think. But it would be a nice one. Hmmmm. Thanks for the idea.

[Blammer]

a drop action like a ruger #1 would also be really tempting! :)

[Uncle R.]

How big is the OD?
Turn 'em and flute 'em to reduce weight and soft solder 'em full-length into the bores of a 20 ga SXS shotgun - to make yourself a double rifle. I suppose you might have to bush the firing pin holes - depending on how well they fit and what kind of steel the standing breech is made from.
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THAT should keep you out of trouble for a few hours!
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[357maximum]

The obvious thing to do would be to box one of em up and send it to me for proper disposal and to ease your mental anguish by 50%.[smilie=1:

If I had one of em...it would soon be living on a Handi Rifle frame.

[nicholst55]

What's the twist rate on them?

[Lucky Joe]

What's the twist rate on them?


Twist is 1:20 is what I was told by the fellow I bought them from.

[Buckshot]

Twist is 1:20 is what I was told by the fellow I bought them from.

..............That's kinda slow for a 35 cal, or for a boolit of any weight at all.

.............Buckshot

[357maximum]

..............That's kinda slow for a 35 cal, or for a boolit of any weight at all.

.............Buckshot

If speeds are kept near 2K and boolit weight is kept around 180gr you will be fine. Them barrels will never be a whelen and were cut with a 357max chamber for a reason. I have played extensively with a 1/18 357 max...there are times when I wish it was 1/20 twist.

If I had one of them barrels it would become a Handi barrel...If I had that matched set of barrels I would be searching for a nice 20/28gauge side by side with wrecked/bad barrels for cheap to make into a Southern Michigan walking around double rifle.:bigsmyl2:

JMHO & YMMV

[Willbird]

It sounds scary to me subjecting the breeching of a 20 gauge shotgun designed for 12,000 lup to 357 maximum pressures.

Bill

[Lucky Joe]

It sounds scary to me subjecting the breeching of a 20 gauge shotgun designed for 12,000 lup to 357 maximum pressures.

Bill

Bill,

This will most likely be done on the H&R SB2 frame. The same one that will handle .30-06 pressures.

[Willbird]

Bill,

This will most likely be done on the H&R SB2 frame. The same one that will handle .30-06 pressures.


That would be dandy :-)...but others are talking about 20 gauge or 28 gauge doubles with bad barrels ;-)

Bill

[357maximum]

I spose I should have stated that the "double rifle" conversion would be done in 38spcl with not so heavy boolits for lower pressures and "quietness" in the walking around gun. MY BAD...did not mean to raise anyones blood pressure. I was thinking more on the lines of squirrel/rabbit Safari Rifle. :)

[Lucky Joe]

It's going happen I have everything except a donor rifle barrel. And it looks like it will go on my H&R SB2 frame. Hope I can find someone to do it before spring.

[Uncle R.]

Bill - There's more to the equation than just pressure - case head size plays a big role too. I was only shooting from the hip but if you run the math I think you'll find that a .357 case at 40,000 psi has total thrust against the breech face similar to a 20 ga shotshell at 14,000 psi. Of course that force is concentrated in a much smaller area which is why I mentioned bushing the firing pin holes.
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The old Contender pistols are a perfect example. They would easily hold 50K psi on a .223 case - but couldn't go anywhere near that on a .45-70 without courting disaster. The difference was case diameter.

[roverboy]

I think they would make some good little rifles on a suitable action, such as a Handi-Rifle or something similar. A friend had a T/C Contender years ago in .357 Max. It was a load of fun.
He killed almost everything with it.

[Willbird]

Bill - There's more to the equation than just pressure - case head size plays a big role too. I was only shooting from the hip but if you run the math I think you'll find that a .357 case at 40,000 psi has total thrust against the breech face similar to a 20 ga shotshell at 14,000 psi. Of course that force is concentrated in a much smaller area which is why I mentioned bushing the firing pin holes.
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The old Contender pistols are a perfect example. They would easily hold 50K psi on a .223 case - but couldn't go anywhere near that on a .45-70 without courting disaster. The difference was case diameter.

I understand case head size, but the pressure pulse from say 357 maximum is not only higher, it is a lot longer than what you get from a shotgun shell. Did H&R use the shotgun actions to build 223's with ??

Bill

[warf73]

I understand case head size, but the pressure pulse from say 357 maximum is not only higher, it is a lot longer than what you get from a shotgun shell. Did H&R use the shotgun actions to build 223's with ??

Bill

If you bought a H&R shotgun you can only have shotgun barrels fitted to it. But if you have a H&R rifle you can have it fitted either way.

[Multigunner]

I read an article long ago written by a fellow who was gathering specimens of jungle birds and small animals for a museum. He had only a shotgun and found he was tearing up the hides too much at closer ranges , he had to get very close to study the animals before shooting them,so he had a sleeve made to shoot .38 pistol bullets, which weren't hard to get where he was operating.
I don't remember much from the article but I think the sleeve was a smoothbore made from some sort of tubing, gas line or hydraulic line maybe.

[badgeredd]

I understand case head size, but the pressure pulse from say 357 maximum is not only higher, it is a lot longer than what you get from a shotgun shell. Did H&R use the shotgun actions to build 223's with ??

Bill

Bill,

I have a H&R that came with a 20 gauge barrel AND a 357 Maximum barrel from the factory.

Edd

[missionary5155]

Good afternoon
If memory is fuctioning Ken Waters did a article on "Bolt Head Thrust". It dealt with this whole issue of not just pressure but how much total force is applied to the bolt face or breech.
It sure helped me understand that pressure x diameter equals alot more thrust on that rear portion of metal that is trying to keep all that force out of my face.

[Wayne Smith]

Good afternoon
If memory is fuctioning Ken Waters did a article on "Bolt Head Thrust". It dealt with this whole issue of not just pressure but how much total force is applied to the bolt face or breech.
It sure helped me understand that pressure x diameter equals alot more thrust on that rear portion of metal that is trying to keep all that force out of my face.

That same discussion is in Phil Sharpe's book Complete Guide to Handloading. In my new copy from the NRA library it's on page 249. Palladium Press, PO box 530065, Birmingham, AL 35253. Private printing, no ISBN number.