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Catshooter
06-07-2006, 09:00 PM
The moulds I thought of in this "Series of Keiths" are the following.

Thirty two, taken care of.

358429, fat of course and about 175 grains.

Forty one someone will have to clue me in on this one. Don't have one, never have and probably never will.

The .44! 429421 is the classic of course, 250 - 255 in weight.

In .45 I still want a Keith that Keith couldn't have; make the bands and crimping groove wide enough to meet his standards with a weight of say 275 - 280.

Also in .45 a big Keith at about 310 -320 or so.

Of course we can do other calibers, .40, .475, .50 and such like.

Speak up!

Dutch4122
06-07-2006, 09:09 PM
I'd like to see the .44, .38, and .41 run in that order. Then followed up by the heavier .45's; but I'm happy to send in my checks as the Honcho or the group as a whole decides.

MGySgt
06-07-2006, 09:31 PM
44 - at .433 to .434 would be real nice!

Drew

bisley45
06-07-2006, 09:48 PM
in .45 a big Keith at about 310 -320 or so.

I have dreamed of one of these

garandsrus
06-07-2006, 10:18 PM
The .44 and then the .357/38...

JudgeBAC
06-07-2006, 10:46 PM
Catshooter, I confuse easily. Is this a separate thread from the Keith series group buy? Those molds (45 which just ended), 44, 38, 41 have already been designed?

rkolling
06-07-2006, 10:46 PM
Hate to be boring, but I really do prefer the .45 Colt! I would like to see the RCBS 45-270-SAA (the Dave Scovill design) in more than a two cavity mold and in a high quality mold. I also would like to see the old 310.451 NEI #320 design made like it used to be. Ditto for more than two cavities in a high quality mold.

However, because of custom gunsmithing (new cylinders and barrels) on my guns, I size to .452". I guess we could always do a run of molds for .454" sized diameters and then have the driving bands on the cherry kissed down to make some .452" molds.

If anyone is interested in drawing up these designs I can supply sample bullets.

Best regards,

Ray

AFRecruiter
06-08-2006, 12:48 AM
My vote is for the .44 next, but I'll wait for however long you decide!

ddixie884
06-08-2006, 12:57 AM
There are more .357 bullets loaded and fired than any other, I think every one needs at least one. If we could get 100 orders the price would drop significantly.

DanWalker
06-08-2006, 01:44 AM
I'd be interested in the 357 Keith, followed later by some of the heavy 45's

Cayoot
06-08-2006, 05:51 AM
They all sound great Cat, but I don't think we've had a decent .357 GB in a while and so I vote for the 175 grn .358. That sounds like a great boolit. Follow that with a 220 grn or 250 grn, wide, sharp meplate .412. I know the .44 has to happen, and I will buy one, (even though I don't own a .44....don't ask me why I'll buy it...I can't explain, I just gotta). Also, Im really glad to hear you mention the 270-280 grn .45. I've been wanting to buy that 270 grn RCBS mould, but have been holding out hoping that you would include one in this list.

So anyways, that's my preference and vote for the order:
175 grn .358; 220-250 grn .412, 270-280 .454, in that order.

Thanks

475/480
06-08-2006, 11:03 AM
I vote for a 475 first :drinks: then 41 or 38,44,45,500 in that order.

Sean

fatnhappy
06-08-2006, 11:13 AM
why not make a poll?


I'd be easier to count. [smilie=1:

I vote .357

Johnch
06-08-2006, 03:56 PM
If I was to pick it would be a .360 175 gr

But I will go with the flow :drinks: :drinks:

Johnch

BorderBrewer
06-08-2006, 05:31 PM
I order which I would like to see is the .38, .44, .41, and heavy .45's

old goat
06-08-2006, 05:38 PM
...This thread/group buy started as a request for a true Keith 358429. Therefore IMO, that should be next. That is what some of us were looking for.
...I've no problem with the heavy weights in .45, but am just not interested in them.
...If the 358429 is not chosen for next buy, then please make it a standard weight of mould. There are, and have been heavyweight buys.


...old goat

Catshooter
06-08-2006, 07:49 PM
Ok, to answer some of your Q's:

JudgeBAC, this I'd be a seperate and new buy. 45 2.1 and I took about nine months to get our **** together for this whole Keith series thing and now we do.

Well, actually it's 45 2.1 who has his **** together (as far as Keith designs) I'm just the lucky bonehead who signed on to honch.

rkolling,

You'd better sit down. If you want the old NEI .451-310 design, you have come to the right place. It was me who had Walt cut the first cherry for that mould in the first place back in the early '80s, so all I have to do is send some samples to 45 2.1 to measure up and we're in bidness.

fatnhappy,

I just knew somebody'd point out that I should make a poll. I tried. As per usual, I screwed it up. You're right it'd been easier to count!

Well group, so far the .357s are ahead. We'll see.


Cat

Cayoot
06-08-2006, 08:19 PM
Ok, to answer some of your Q's:

Well group, so far the .357s are ahead. We'll see.


Cat


Cool!!!! Let's do it soon!

TCLouis
06-08-2006, 08:59 PM
358429 and then I will be mold fulfilled!

Murphy
06-08-2006, 10:58 PM
#358429, as someone above stated...the one that started this in the first place. *SMILE*.

Followed by the .44 of course.

Thanks,

Murphy

Tristan
06-08-2006, 11:13 PM
Myself, I'd like to get, in this order, the 429421, 358429 and then maybe I'd get the .41 as well.

The heavy 45, maybe that too.

Cheers!
:drinks:

GregP42
06-09-2006, 02:33 AM
Do the .357, that will give me more time to eat raman so I can get another .41 mold!

Greg

Bucks Owin
06-09-2006, 03:44 PM
44 - at .433 to .434 would be real nice!

Drew

My # 82080 RCBS 250K mowld drops .433" boolits....

FWIW,

Dennis

MGySgt
06-09-2006, 04:40 PM
My # 82080 RCBS 250K mowld drops .433" boolits....

FWIW,

Dennis

Mine drops .4305 - Just a shade small for my SBH!

Bodydoc447
06-10-2006, 10:47 AM
My preference would be for a 358429 next then a .41 like 410459 or whatever 45 2.1 comes up with. He does design magic as far as I am concerned.

Doc

knothead
06-10-2006, 02:02 PM
A nice 44 then 41 then 357 will fill my handgun needs.Im not a gascheck fan, more of a shot as dropped pan lube kinda guy.

:castmine: :castmine:

Bucks Owin
06-10-2006, 03:00 PM
Mine drops .4305 - Just a shade small for my SBH!

Hmmmm. Different alloys or different dia mowlds I guess. Since I size to .430", maybe we oughtta trade!

Dennis

BTW, that's with 50/50 WW and lino....

Greg
06-11-2006, 12:12 AM
Cat-

I'm for a 358429 6 cavity next.

What is the diameter as designed?

threerivers
06-11-2006, 03:15 AM
Cat, you guys did an outstanding job on this design. For me I would like the .38 and then the .44. Great site!

Underclocked
06-11-2006, 01:13 PM
Are you guys ever going to do any group buys of moulds intended for muzzleloaders? Or have you already? Sure would like to see one....

My drawing would only be a starting point - one of the real designers would need to finish it up.
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ialefty2
06-11-2006, 03:29 PM
I would like the .38 and then the .44. Great site!

j4570
06-11-2006, 03:55 PM
I would also like the 357 Next. In a standard weight, not heavy weight.

Then on to the 44 (which I may decide to pass on, don't know yet).

I'm out for the 41, no use for me.

Jason

cherok9878
06-11-2006, 07:22 PM
358429 will be my vote.

question Guy's, do you think this boolit will function in the Marlin 357 rifle?

JudgeBAC
06-11-2006, 07:42 PM
.41 then .44 then .357.

Cayoot
06-11-2006, 08:09 PM
358429 will be my vote.

question Guy's, do you think this boolit will function in the Marlin 357 rifle?

Absolutely

JSH
06-11-2006, 11:35 PM
I would like the 38 myself ,next. But what ever you gents decide is fine by me.
I would also be interested in the 32, as I would think it should work very nice in some of the milsurps? Any way, holler real loud when you decide on the nexy no matter what it is.
Jeff

Catshooter
06-12-2006, 07:51 PM
Looks to me like the .357 is it.

The thread'll be up soon.


Cat

ebner glocken
06-13-2006, 09:55 AM
I have .357, .44, and .45 moulds but could use a .41 as good ones are hard to find.

475/480
06-13-2006, 10:58 AM
I would like the 38 myself ,next. But what ever you gents decide is fine by me.
I would also be interested in the 32, as I would think it should work very nice in some of the milsurps? Any way, holler real loud when you decide on the nexy no matter what it is.
Jeff]

Hi Jeff, the 32 is up and running.

Sean

hpdrifter
06-13-2006, 01:12 PM
you guys are killing me!!!!!!

Catshooter
06-13-2006, 08:15 PM
Read your own sig line there, bud.:-D :-D :-D

Bear4570
06-14-2006, 08:40 AM
My vote would be the .357, .44, 41, and then heavy 45's.

AKtinman
06-14-2006, 11:38 AM
My preference would be .357, then .44.

Don't presently have a use for a heavy .45, but the molds don't go bad sitting on the shelf:)

gregg
06-14-2006, 12:41 PM
All on the large side

38,.361= 44,.334= 45 .455- 270gr

RCBS 45-270-SAA (the Dave Scovill design)

Just what I'm thinking . I to will go with the flow.

hpdrifter
06-14-2006, 01:12 PM
Read your own sig line there, bud.:-D :-D :-D
:Fire:
:)

Cayoot
06-14-2006, 06:11 PM
RCBS 45-270-SAA (the Dave Scovill design)


Boy would that be nice!

Cayoot
06-14-2006, 06:13 PM
Hey Cat,

What's the chance of making the .358 boolit a gas check? Did Mr. Keith design one with the gas check? I could really use a 158 grn to 175 grn Keith SWC with a gc so that I could push it to magnum levels (for carry purposes as well as practice) with out being tormented by leading.

What do ya think?

Catshooter
06-14-2006, 08:29 PM
Cayoot,

The short answer is no.

I'm pretty sure Keith saw no need for gaschecks and said so many times. However, of course that was then and now we have many cartridges and guns that he didn't. We can do much that he couldn't.

If you are suffering from leading with a .357, well at those speeds one usually doesn't lead from lack of a gas check, usually it'd be some other problem. I think.

But anyway, these Keith moulds we're making are to try to be as true to his design as we can, which ain't easy let me tell you and that means no GC, sorry dude.


Cat

Cayoot
06-14-2006, 09:49 PM
No sweat Buddy,

Thanks for the answer so quickly. If I had known that Elmer was against gas checks, I never would have asked.

I'm glad you are sticking true to his designs.

Thanks

gregg
06-16-2006, 12:40 PM
No sweat Buddy,

Thanks for the answer so quickly. If I had known that Elmer was against gas checks, I never would have asked.

I'm glad you are sticking true to his designs.

Thanks
Your thinking of the Thompson (RAY?)
Lyman still sells the mold. Great mold

Cayoot
06-16-2006, 08:59 PM
I'm sorry Gregg, I don't understand.

Catshooter
06-18-2006, 01:57 PM
Cayoot,

He's refering to the Ray Thompson 358156 series of Lyman moulds. They were Keith style but with a gas check and two crimping groove for the .38/.357s.


Cat

Cayoot
06-18-2006, 06:14 PM
Cayoot,

He's refering to the Ray Thompson 358156 series of Lyman moulds. They were Keith style but with a gas check and two crimping groove for the .38/.357s.


Cat


Ok, thanks for the info guys. That sounds like it makes things simple for me!

caneman
06-23-2006, 03:04 PM
I'm especially interested in the 41 caliber. I have respectable though not great moulds in the other calibers, but the 41 is hard to find.

Would be interested in a 170-180 357 mould though too.

targetshootr
06-23-2006, 07:11 PM
I vote for 44 since I pretty much stopped loading for anything smaller. Sold or traded away or converted most of my 357s for 44s.

gregg
06-23-2006, 08:07 PM
Ok, thanks for the info guys. That sounds like it makes things simple for me!
Sorry I did not get back to you been off line. Cat dead on. Yup Keith did not
like gas checks. But Ray's bullet a good one.