45 schofield

[Stubblejumper]

my first post ... a historic occasion!

i will soon be the owner of a webley WG in 45 schofield.
i intend to use the 265 hollowbase webley bullet with unique (cuz that's what i have)

i can't seem to find any loads using unique with this bullet in 45 schofield.
anyone have any info??

post it here if you like or PM me. myself i don't like to post loads in old guns in case some one trys it in a weaker gun.

FYI the WG is a custom mark I, that can take the load of a mark V. no need for the original mark I black powder pressure loads. when webley finally came out with the mark V they supposedly used this design.

the fellow i am getting it from (when he can bear to part with it) smokes this bullet out using 700X at a velocity of 900+ fps.. yikes!

i won't be loading it that stout. 800-850 fps will be fine for this old fart.
cheers

[NHlever]

I ran the .45 S&W Schofield with the Lyman 454424 255 gr. ( closest weight I found) and it said that 6.5 grains of Unique would give you around 800 fps. at 12,173 psi. I ran 7.0 grains of Unique, and it would give you the 850 you mentioned, but it was about red line for the Schofield case at 14,024 psi. I used a 5" barrel for my calculations, and of course that isn't a vented revolver barrel, and the program considers the chamber to be in that barrel. I would go easy on a nice old gun.

[Stubblejumper]

thx info appreciated.

that ties in with what i have found out. i just didn't have velocities. 800 fps is just fine for me.

i found a load for 455 webley with the 265 bullet ...
3.9 to4.3 grain unique (MAX) @ 710FPS,
but i am thinking this load is for the older mark 1s.

so your load will be safe in my gun.

i found that load for the 700x, but i won't print it here. it sounds close to max , from a ruger blackhawk in 45... calls up 955fps ... to me that's pushing the brass, even tho the fellow is sending some starline brass with it.

the other question i have is these bullets are unsized at .454 and my barrel slugs at .451
they are soft lead. i was going to run some unsized as i don't have a sizer die yet... using liquid alox.
the bullet maker said they'll be fine cuz of the soft bullet.

what do others think?

cheers

[2ndAmendmentNut]

454 diameter should be fine, bigger (within reason) almost always equals better. Welcome to the forum.

[Stubblejumper]

thx for the info guys and the welcome greeting 2AM.

been shooting cast on & off for a while but not out of antiques. you have to be a bit more cautious with them.

i miced these bullets more carefully and did a bunch of them. the lube rings are actually .452 to .453 but the hollow base ring is .454

so i figure the hollow base doesn't count cuz it's a seal ??

so i should be fine shooting these unsized cuz the are only .002 or so off on the lube rings

nice casting job by this company. all are within 5 grains. they have to cast them in a single cavity mould . expensive little Bs but they are supposed to be THE bullet for webleys cuz apparently there's no forcing cones on webs.

i'd let you guys know how they work out but i'm a LOUSY pistol shot.

[NHlever]

Be sure you understand that you have to be a little more cautious with hollow base boolits than with solid boolits. Too much pressure, or seated too far out, and you can easily blow the skirt off one of your boolits just like you can with HBWC's. If you lodge that skirt in the bore, and fire another round, you will certainly damage your antique. Be safe, be sane, and have fun!

[2ndAmendmentNut]

Good reminder NHlever.

[Stubblejumper]

that's the other reason i don't want to be smoking them out at 900+fps.

thx for the info again.

cheers

[GabbyM]

For 45 S&W Schofield. Lyman 49th list the #452424 bullet in 255 grain SWC as 6.5gr Unique being max load 843fps @ 11.300 cup. 5.8gr is start load. 723fps @ 7,500 cup. Then right next to it the 250 grain #454190 uses much less powder at 6.0gr max for 838fps @11,000 cup. 5.4gr as start @732 fps.

If it were me I'd be very conservative on a start load. For sure not go over that listed 5.4gr for the 250 grain bullet to start. Since you've an extra 15 grains of bullet and it's probably mostly inside the case. The #454190 is the old two lube grove black powder bullet and seates with about .400" inside the case.

[Stubblejumper]

thanks again tor the info. the loads you gave me worked fine in the 45 schofield/455 webley loads.
quite accurate and not brutal .

my mark I ** doesn't like the 265 grain bullet at all. (it's been cut to 45 ACP).:(

the mark I seems to like 200 grain round nose so i am going to try using light loads of "Clays". pressures seem quite low, but prone to spike so i have to watch it... i am using 3.6 & 3.8 grains as a test run. (11800cup)

max load is 4.3@17000cup which is way too high.

the 265s in the 45ACP were down right nasty to shoot and came in way high (8")and to the left @11:00.

cheers

[Baron von Trollwhack]

As you shoot you may wish to check what you are doing against 45 Colt loads, 45 auto rim, acp and similar to get a feel where your gun/cartridge falls in line. then you can easily expand your efforts. BvT

[Stubblejumper]

well baron (cool moniker BTW)

i have kicked out 45 colt cuz it's a horse of a different colour.
it can take more than what this gun can handle, altho some may disagree.
but it's uncharted seas i am sailing ( kinda poetic doncha think? ) so i am trying to keep a safety factor around my loads.

which is why i am trying "clays" (cuz i could get it here in the wilds of manitoba)
and i will probably try W231 & 700X when i can find it.

one must treat these antiques with a modicom of respect because they have probably suffered 100 years of neglect & mismanagement.

your statement is true, but i think it's a bit of a balancing act. i am a newbie to this antique thing. even tho i am a bit of an antique myself.