Ted Nugent

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Check this out ~ I love this guy ~ can't beleave he's 60.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXUI5hAxFYI&NR=1&feature=fvwp

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[bushwack]

That is just too good.

[Lead Fred]

Ted is a real American.

Went to his concerts, watch his shows, believe in his message

[EMC45]

Cool interview!

[Fat-beeman]

I think if ted ran for congress and get them wimps:violin: out of office our country would be a better place.

[Bula]

I just can't get over his actions after receiving his draft card. I enjoy hearing him now, but watching those interviews from back then, has changed my opinion of him altogether.

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I gott'a know what did he do when he got his draft card.
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[MT Gianni]

Bula, I have different views now, than I did at 18 also.

[roverboy]

Yeah Ted's pretty cool. He tells it like it is and don't sugar coat it. His hunting show is the real deal too.

[Tazman1602]

I gott'a know what did he do when he got his draft card.
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He sat in one spot until he deficated himself and got a 4F if memory serves me correctly.

Things change, maybe he wouldn't do that today but back then I lost all respect for him.

If I'm wrong feel free to correct me....................

Wango-ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ-Tango baby.......................

[yotatrd4x4]

Too bad everyone isnt an American Blood Brother like the Nug is. I dont understand why people think we are the crazy ones? This country is falling from its graces with all of the Communist wannabe's. Thank God fro people like Ted Nugget

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He sat in one spot until he deficated himself and got a 4F if memory serves me correctly.

Things change, maybe he wouldn't do that today but back then I lost all respect for him.

If I'm wrong feel free to correct me....................

Wango-ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ-Tango baby.......................
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Thanks Tazman1602. No that is somthing I counldn't do or approve of. I surpose he regrets it now. At lest I know now ~ maybe I didn't wana Know.
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[outdoorfan]

i dont understand why people think we are the crazy ones? This country is falling from its graces with all of the communist wannabe's.

exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[outdoorfan]

~ maybe i didn't wana know.
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lol!!

[Ekalb2000]

Very much respect for Ted.
If I was forced to do somthing that I didnt believe in, You would be cleaning alot more than c&@p up off the floor. Just because someone does not want to kill another human does not make them any less of a Patriot. He is the most verbal, outspoken, straightforward, figure we have for Liberty. Period. Dot.

[Tazman1602]

Very much respect for Ted.
If I was forced to do somthing that I didnt believe in, You would be cleaning alot more than c&@p up off the floor. Just because someone does not want to kill another human does not make them any less of a Patriot. He is the most verbal, outspoken, straightforward, figure we have for Liberty. Period. Dot.

Not agreed. Some of my friends died with their guts splattered all over rice paddies and they didn't believe in the war either but their country called and they went.

Nothing personal, just disagree.

Art

[shdwlkr]

When my country called I went off to the Army. Why because my family has been in every fight this country has been in since before it was a country. I would not and will not betray my ancestors. On one side my ancestors have been here for thousands of years on the other they have been here since the 1600's.
I went to protect my family and to respect my ancestors. If you don't respect those who have gone before you what do you really believe in?
Did I see and endure many things of course I did anyone who really did their bit did. Right now I am in college getting my Master's degree in Mental Health Counseling because so many of the ones coming home today and in the past need to talk about what they went through and to get rid of it and they want to talk with someone who understands what is like to be shot at, to kill another person and to loose a buddy. I am an old man now but I still remember the America I grew up in and wonder where it has gone.
If you are a Vet or have someone in your family who is a Vet and that wants to talk get in touch with me I am here and willing to listen and talk and help in any way I can. You endured the War now it is time to come home really home.

[Lloyd Smale]

my thoughts exactly!!!!
Not agreed. Some of my friends died with their guts splattered all over rice paddies and they didn't believe in the war either but their country called and they went.

Nothing personal, just disagree.

Art

[outdoorfan]

Would someone please explain why and how we (the U.S.) got into that war (Nam)? In other words, I'd like to hear in your own words the justification for it.

[markshere2]

Oh we were fighting the Communists in a "Cold War". We opposed every expansion they made into other countries: N.Korea heading south, A bunch of stuff in Africa that didn't make the headlines, and N Vietnam heading south.

The policy applied to help prop up anti-communist regimes in other places, also: Iran, Afghanistan, etc.

It worked. Finally the Soviet Union collapsed in 89.
It was expensive, but less expensive than another World War.

The after costs have become apparent: Jihadists, we armed & trained, attacking the western world.

[shdwlkr]

Another reason was our military needed someplace to try their "war toys" and Congress was the one who managed the War, one of the reasons it went so badly letting idiots fight a war that have no common sense as to what it takes to win.

[steve in kc]

Check this out ~ I love this guy ~ can't beleave he's 60.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXUI5hAxFYI&NR=1&feature=fvwp

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If God can forgive us for the things we do, certainly we can forgive our fellow man. I'd like to think that Ted has righted his wrongs for the choices he's made by being a contributor of support to the men and women in the armed services after he realized what he had done. Certainly you can find room in your heart to decide that his PERSONAL ongoing support for our troops, their families and those that have returned home wounded spiritually, mentally and physically has overcome the decision of an immature 18 year old. We were all 18 once.

However, I'm not a veteran, so I don't have a dog in the fight. I suppose it's up to each person to decide whether or not to hold a grudge.

"A man doesn't become old until his regrets (and grudges) out-number his hopes and dreams." - Unknown

[KCSO]

Our Country! In her intercourse with foreign nations may she always be in the right; but right or wrong, our country!" Stephen Decatur

A lot of us put stock in this no matter what we thought to come back now 30 years later and whoop it up about how He could go through the desert like a dose of salts is sadly funny and a little pathetic. Maybe he's changed his opinions but he still does'nt have much room to shoot off his mouth.

[shdwlkr]

I don't know if Ted has mended his ways from when he was 18. I am a few years older then he is and my views have not changed very much so would wonder if his have or if he just has gotten old enough to realize those who go and put on a uniform really do deserve anything and everything America can give them.
I do sometimes like what Ted has to say and then other times he is just the same old off the wall person that he has always been.

[Lloyd Smale]

good point. although i dont agree with him avoiding service i have to admitt since then hes done alot for our miltary. I grew up in that time and there was alot of scared kids then. Alot that made poor decisions because of there fear and now have to live with it. Theres no excuse for it but i think in his case he made ammends and hes the one that has to live with the embarasment everyday knowing he was once a coward and thats punishment in itself for any real man.

[trapper9260]

There is some that done worst then him .You all know who I am talking about ,if not ,some are running our country. There the ones that protested agaist the Viet war and now the people vote them in ,not all the people vote them in office. This is always will be a subject that is not good or bad . It is just whos side you on . That is why some of us gave our life for our country to have everyone state there point. I am a Vet. I had some that told me that you are not afraid to say what on your mind . I said why should I gave a total of 8 yrs for people like you to be able to say what you want today.

[reivertom]

He sat in one spot until he deficated himself and got a 4F if memory serves me correctly.

Things change, maybe he wouldn't do that today but back then I lost all respect for him.

If I'm wrong feel free to correct me....................

Wango-ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ-Tango baby.......................



That's funny, I just heard the same story about Bob Seager. Do you think it might be one of those silly Web lies like the one about Captain Kangaroo being a war hero ?

[shdwlkr]

Some of us went when our country called instead acting like a jerk. Some others ran to Canada and then became President. Some role models for our kids one who poops himself so they don't have to go and another who ran away when the country called.
People wonder how we got to this point well there are two examples of what the elite think we should be like as a country.

[Bad Water Bill]

shdwlkr

You are entering into a much needed field. Over 50 years ago I served in the Navy and some things have not changer. You enter the military and they take you from a quiet civilian to a soldier sailor etc to do what needs to be done to defend my country. When your time is over they just say goodby and out the door you go.

I have felt that there were many problems that should have been addressed about what you did and saw before you were discharged. I know of Korean vets that still wake at night. Don't ask about the Nam vets as I am sure there are many stories that could be mentioned here. How many of those vets are still living in the mountains or swamps because they do not trust themselves in what we call society.

I am glad to see someone is going to help this generation of military personel.

Thank you Sir

[Beekeeper]

I put ol Ted in the same box as Hanoi Jane.

I do not forget and I never forgive


Jim

[shdwlkr]

Ball Water Bill
thanks for the encouragement. Classes are hard and fun at the same time.
I waited for almost 30 years before realizing I might be able to do some good for our returning military vets. It is my desire to save as many as I can from doing the most stupid thing and that is taking their own life because they don't have anyone to help them.
I am older now myself (Viet Nam era vet) and can relate to many of the issues of aging vets and hope it does some good. The only thing that sort of scares me is what if I become well known and a lot of vets want to see me? I don't even care about the money side of the issue as I didn't even look at what I could make when I picked this program more of what good could I do and it just seemed to fit with what I want to do for the rest of my life.
We all need a reason for getting up in the morning and going through another day. Not that all the **** on the TV, in the news and just plain everyday events. Ha Ha

[Bad Water Bill]

I could PERSONALLY write a book on what happens to people exposed to the effects of war. My first wife was born in Essen Germany in 1936. Lost her and 95% of that generation the same way.

A good friend had a son return from 2 years in Nam doing "I can't tell you" work and almost killed his best friend because the guy came up behind him. The young man took off and was never heard from again. Yes our vets young and older need help and I am glad that one of our family has stepped up to the plate.

Again THANK YOU

[shdwlkr]

bad Water Bill
I know a kid that went to Nam and when he came home he went into his closet and pulled out his two rifles and then went into a state forest and the only contact his parents had from him was a drop off point that took them almost three years to create.
He would walk up behind hunters and scare the **** out of them because they never heard him walk up. He got so he would send letters to his folks with a few friends that would go into the woods and look for him. Never did find where he called his hut. The state police went in looking for him with dogs and found nothing and when they went back to their cars he had left them a note on their cars to not return ever and they took him for his word as they had left two officers with the vehicles that never saw him.
Yes our country has trained some of the best but they still don't know how to untrain them when it is time to leave.

[Bad Water Bill]

I wonder how many vets are surviving the same way. We will never know.

And no one ever checked on the WW1-2 vets + the guys from Korea. Then there are the guys from the peace times where severe things happened.

Again THANK YOU

And now maybe we should get back to the original topic before someone gets MAD.

[shdwlkr]

Bad Water Bill
what more can be said about Ted nugent? Maybe he has changed and maybe not. I think that he might see all of the freedoms he has so enjoyed disappearing but it if it has taken him this long to realize just how long do you think it will take the rest of America?
With a socialist and a Marxist now in the white house I wonder just what is the next boot to fall.
We have seen the Constitution be trashed, the Bill of Rights thrown out now all that is left is for us to all become subjects and not freemen and freewomen and then it is all over but for the ovens.
Adolf is alive and well in the White house

[Recluse]

Yes our country has trained some of the best but they still don't know how to untrain them when it is time to leave.

And that's the biggest problem.

The phrase when I got out was "the machine blew a gasket," and all the friggin' military brass was interested in was finding out why--not about the who or what led up to it or anything else.

You're a tool and not one thing more when you're in the service. Your life is already factored in by the REMFs in the credits and debits column before you even enlist. You're a number. Nothing more, nothing less.

A lot of folks can't handle that, and I don't begrudge them.


Bad Water Bill
what more can be said about Ted nugent? Maybe he has changed and maybe not.

I've said it here and I've said it at the VFW--if I were in the military today, the day after the health care bill passed and the Constitution was abrogated to the point it was, I'd be in my CO's office begging for a discharge. ANY kind of discharge.

When the lawmakers become the lawbreakers, they lost their right to pawn my life off in the defense of a document they themselves refuse to respect, honor, follow or obey.

There was a lot of that going on with Johnson and Nixon, too, don't forget. The 1968 Gun Control Act, Johnson's Great Society, et al. The Constitution was being shat upon back then as well.

You had a media, led by Walter Cronkite telling America that we were losing, could not win and that tens of thousands of our young soldiers were going to die before it all ended.

Quite frankly, I'm fed up with war. All of it.

Simple solution is to arm ourselves to the teeth and any country that screws with us become uninhabitable for the next 500 years. Leave us alone and we'll leave you alone. Close our borders to 95% of all incoming immigrants, but leave them wide open to flush out the trash.

Of course, we won't do that. We'll continue to operate until we're just another Third World country. Which, if you look at the inner-cities across the nation, we're already there.

:coffee:

[shdwlkr]

Recluse
You have no idea of what goes on when the "Brass" decides on a battle plan. I was in on some of those meetings and the troops are factored into the dead or alive columns. The troops are percentages of the total that was placed in the battle. They don't even considered wounded that can go back into the battle. Most of the wounded were listed as walking dead because they were out of the equation of those who could fight.
I was asked to speak just once and they didn't like the way I saw the battle and guess what my figures were so close to what happened it scared me. I had the dead, wounded and able to fight numbers within 10% of what they really were.
YOU guessed it I was never asked to speak again, but still sat in on many meetings for my General and we had my figures to work with and just laughed the the know it alls and how far off they were. But then I had an ace in the fact I was the poor slob who knew where all the stock piles of ordnance, equipment, etc was so knowing this I had a pretty good idea of what could and could not be done at any given point in time.
I have no use for a Congress that thinks they can run a war better then Generals who have been in wars and seen what happens.