Shiloh .40-82

[Dragoon 45]

I am thinking of ordering a rifle from Shiloh Sharps in .40 cal for use in BPCRS. I called the company and requested a catalog and also talked to them about the calibers available. The only thing the lady I talked to could tell me about the .40-82 was that it was a super .40-65.

That leads me to my question here, which the Shiloh rep really could not answer. What is this cartridge? Is it a 45-90 that is tapered down to 40 cal, i.e. like the 40-65 is a tapered version of the .45-70? Or is the .40-82 a bottleneck cartridge? I know back in the late 1800's Winchester had a .40-82, is the Shiloh version the same case?

Anyone here shoot this cartridge? If so, is it accurate, easy to reload, etc?

Thank you in advance for any replies.

[leadman]

My advice would be to send a PM to Mike Venturino. He has much experience with the black powder rifles.

[Don McDowell]

Theres a number of different 4082's in use at the moment, most are based off of the 45-90 case, just varying in taper and or bottleneck.
Some are having good results with them others not so much. They made quite a splash and much noise a couple of years back , but you don't hear much about them now. Recoil is pretty brisk but you're still dealing with the 40 caliber bullet that doesn't deliver the goods as well in rough weather as a 45 caliber bullet does.
May want to go over to bpcr.net and ask about the cartridge.

If you want a bigger 40 cal might look into the originals, the 40-70 bn and the 40-90 bn.

[Boz330]

I'm not sure about some of the 40-82s that have been modified for the single shot guns. I had a 1886 in 40-82 and the cartridge is a mild tapered bottleneck if that makes sense to you. If you go with a 40-65 there are some boolits that are long bore riders that will let you get more powder in the case. I can get 71gr of 2F Swiss behind my Steve Brooks 400gr boolit with no compression. This is a good load in one of my 40-65s and the other one shoots best with more wads and compression and 6gr less powder. For BPCRS the 40-65 should suit your needs.
Oh by the way the 40-82 is a 45 basic case. The ones I formed for the 86 Winny were from 45-100 and 45-110 cases. The other advantage to the 40-65 is you aren't buying high priced cases to form brass from. Starline carries them at a fraction of what I paid to get 40-82 cases. Also burning a lot more powder presents fouling issues to deal with.

Bob

[4060MAY]

The 40-82 that Shiloh chambers is the 40-82Crossno, a 40-65 about .300 longer. The brass is made from 45-2.4 aka 40-90.
I know of only one person that shoots one, he believes it gives him an edge. didn't seem to be any better to me, than my 40-70 SS.
But some people try to be just different.

[Dragoon 45]

I have already a 40-65 and a 45-70. I was looking for a larger .40 cal rifle. Orginally I was thinking about a .40-70 SS, but saw the .40-82 and was curious about it. Not sure about getting any of the bottlenose cartridges as I have been told they are a lot harder to get the fouling out of than the straight or tapered cartridges.

When I talked to Shiloh, they told me they kept some 40-65, 45-70, and 45-90 rifles on hand but anything else would have to be ordered and would take about 18 months to build. At this point I am not sure what I am going to do, but I kind of like the challenge of taking a cartridge that few people use and getting it to shoot well.

Thank you all for the replies.

[NickSS]

The 40-70 SS is a great cartridge but brass is spendy for it. If you are not into traditional sharps cartridges the 40-82 will give you about 100 to 200 or so FPS ove what you can get with a similar bullet in the 40-65. This equates to a bit more power for game or silhouettes. I am not sure if the added recoil is worth it for silhouettes but it will give a bit flatter trajectory for hunting. With the availability of relatively inexpensive starline brass in 45-90 brass should be less expensive in the 40-82 vs the 40-70SS

[Don McDowell]

One thing to keep in mind on some of these cartridges. If there's not many people shooting them, it's either new, or isn't living up to hype.
Maybe consider rechambering your 40-65.
Might also check out CSharps available list, sometimes they have rifles all put together just need chambered.

[EDK]

When I talked to Shiloh, they told me they kept some 40-65, 45-70, and 45-90 rifles on hand but anything else would have to be ordered and would take about 18 months to build.

First time I went to Shiloh, they had a dozen rifles in the sale rack. So I ordered what I wanted and then waited. Next time was four....one I should have bought then and there. Quigley shoot week tends to clean out the inventory.

I've got a 50/90...always thought of A SHARPS BIG 50, so I got one with most of the goodies. Love the gun, but a more common caliber is a better choice for brass and. moulds.

Talk to LEAD POT AND POWDERBURNERR here....both good guys who will share their knowledge. They both have helped me a lot in the last five years.

:Fire::cbpour::redneck:

[semtav]

Dragoon

If you are still contemplating the 40-82, go to the Shiloh forum and type "40-82" in the search mode, it will give you plenty of info.

picking up a caliber after all the hype has worn off does have a few advantages, a lot of the hard work is already done, and a lot of info is out there.

Dave Crossno (of 40-82 Crossno fame) lives in Oklahoma. He might live just down the street from you.

Brian