Swede & Persian Mausers w/LER scopes

[Dutchman]

You guys are tired of these, huh?

New photos from saturday shooting these two with new LER mounts for the first time.

http://images18.fotki.com/v437/photos/2/28344/6806565/DSCF0847bd-vi.jpg
My Czech Persian 98/29 8x57. The cast loads I took weren't good with this rifle but the Portuguese FNM military 196 gr boattails were nice. Needs a higher power scope for a 2nd testfire session.

http://images46.fotki.com/v1506/photos/2/28344/6806565/DSCF0850bd-vi.jpg

Not a good scope for this application. UAG 2.5x20. Would be ok for hunting 50-100 yds deer or larger game but not enough power to do good shooting at 50+ yds on paper.

1917 elm stocked m/96 Carl Gustaf
http://images53.fotki.com/v426/photos/2/28344/6806565/DSCF0867bd-vi.jpg
Not my rifle but one I installed the mount on last week. Shot real good with factory Remington ammo. UAG 2-7x32 handgun scope off ebay.

This mount installed on this rifle easier than any others I've done. Light thumb pressure for the pieces to fit into place. Installation time, including removing the sights: 1 minute, 30 seconds.
http://images36.fotki.com/v1157/photos/2/28344/6806565/DSCF0874bd-vi.jpg

The rings on the Swede are Kwik-Site "low". Lower than Weaver "low". Made a nice addition to this setup as ~low~ is the name of the game in LER mounts.
http://images52.fotki.com/v644/photos/2/28344/6806565/DSCF0854bd-vi.jpg

Nice day but it was cold. The rifle is aimed at Orygun. The tribals units who populate Orygun I call Orygoonians. Has a nice sound to it and is surprisingly accurate... if you've ever been to Ashland.
http://images51.fotki.com/v178/photos/2/28344/6806565/DSCF0871bd2-vi.jpg

Dutch

[atr]

Hi Dutchman,,,
No,,,not tired of em !!!!
if you are in the business of making that sight block then I would ask you to do one for my
Mauser95

[Ivantherussian03]

I think I can see Ken's house in that pic... lol ...just kidding

Looks nice good work

[Tazman1602]

I NEVER get tired of Swede Mausers. I must have sporterized about a hundred back in the day..........when a "prime" model was $89.95! Still have a few for myself..........those rifles are MOA out of the cosmoline and you can cut the barrel back to 22", put an 11 degree crown on it and lose NOTHING..........

Art

[Dutchman]

Hi Dutchman,,,
No,,,not tired of em !!!!
if you are in the business of making that sight block then I would ask you to do one for my
Mauser95

I have so many requests for the 95 Chilean rifle I'm going to do at least a couple dozen. The 91, too. Right now I'm making magnetic chip shields for the mill to contain the mess when I get started. And I just finished a work "stop" for the mill vise for repeat work.

Got a new kerosene heater for the shop. Nice and warm out there:). Its cold outside. Might get snow tomorrow. Makes for nice all day shop sessions.

Dutch

[Dutchman]

I NEVER get tired of Swede Mausers. I must have sporterized about a hundred back in the day..........when a "prime" model was $89.95! Still have a few for myself..........those rifles are MOA out of the cosmoline and you can cut the barrel back to 22", put an 11 degree crown on it and lose NOTHING..........

Art

Where are my tums? You know I'm a ~collector~ and researcher. I have a couple mis-match rifles that I give myself permission to play with and one put-together m/96 that I can absolutely do anything to without guilt......... but "hundreds"? OMG...

Swede m/96, nice ones, really nice black streaked walnut or fiddleback walnut, or fiddleback maple and fancy elm can easily bring $500+. I'd bet you gold bars none of the sporters you built would bring that much today. Just a fact of life.

11 years I've been collecting data on m/96 rifles and m/94 carbines. I have roughly 1% of all m/96 Swedish Mausers manufactured, over 500 submissions to this database. I'm pretty sure its the only Mauser database online of its kind, certainly the largest. There are a few sporters in it because I'm collecting numbers and features, but these two databases represent more than a decade of research into variations in stockwoods and other features.
http://dutchman.rebooty.com/96swede.html

(The 1908 Brazilian serial number survey and the 1893/1895 Mauser surveys started were both started by me and I passed them on to others. Both emanated from gunboards.com.)

Carbines from s/n 2 to the possibly last produced carbine in 1932 that I owned in 1966 s/n 113150.
http://dutchman.rebooty.com/94swede.html

Sometimes you get into something that you have no idea where it'll take you. This has been one of those things.

One of the funniest and most obscure things we've gotten into is the barrel vise marks left on some m/96 barrels. They come from only one army depot. They used an 8 jaw chuck of some kind that left "flats" on the chamber shank. Nobody had even noticed it before. We have pictures. Empirical research is rich. Paint markings on buttplates and stock combs. That's another one that's in its infancy.

Being able to put out a call and ask for submissions on a particular aspect has produced and outstanding research tool for Swedish Mauser collectors. I hope future generations leave alone those rifles that are still as-issued. Attrition alone will narrow the survivors and in another 100 years when these rifles are 200 years old........ what will they say?

Dutch

[Dutchman]

http://images39.fotki.com/v1228/photos/2/28344/157842/rifle2-vi.jpg

http://images38.fotki.com/v1212/photos/2/28344/157842/89a-vi.jpg

http://images38.fotki.com/v1218/photos/2/28344/157842/74a-vi.jpg

http://images38.fotki.com/v1221/photos/2/28344/157842/ArgentineMauser1891-vi.jpg

http://images23.fotki.com/v823/photos/2/28344/157842/plate1-vi.jpg

[Dutchman]

http://images6.fotki.com/v78/photos/2/28344/157842/arty1-vi.jpg

http://images6.fotki.com/v79/photos/2/28344/157842/sav1-vi.jpg

A Garand orgy one weekend in northern Indiana
http://images16.fotki.com/v289/photos/2/28344/157842/h007-vi.jpg

http://images28.fotki.com/v1004/photos/2/28344/157842/webley2-vi.jpg

http://images16.fotki.com/v29/photos/2/28344/157842/mak2-vi.jpg

http://images29.fotki.com/v1011/photos/2/28344/157842/c1-vi.jpg

[Dutchman]

http://images38.fotki.com/v1220/photos/2/28344/157842/yr24-vi.jpg

Finn m/1891 Belgian barrel 1942
http://images106.fotki.com/v494/photos/2/28344/157842/yr31-vi.jpg

http://images45.fotki.com/v1427/photos/2/28344/157842/yr23-vi.jpg

http://images112.fotki.com/v1532/photos/2/28344/157842/mau03-vi.jpg

My pal - Brazilian Navy Modelo 1937 caliber .45
http://images51.fotki.com/v750/photos/2/28344/157842/SW1937b-vi.jpg

the old gun room in Indiana
http://images8.fotki.com/v138/photos/2/28344/1676633/cr4-vi.jpg

[Dutchman]

1,400 rds with fast pistol powder and once-fired primed cases...... cast bullet fodder!

http://images45.fotki.com/v1450/photos/2/28344/1676633/ammo1b-vi.jpg

http://images47.fotki.com/v1477/photos/2/28344/1676633/fsr1-vi.jpg

the city vapen of Eskilstuna, Sweden
http://images44.fotki.com/v1486/photos/2/28344/1676633/Eskilstuna_vapen-vi.png

http://images53.fotki.com/v425/photos/2/28344/1676633/Swedeguy2-vi.jpg

[Dutchman]

http://images39.fotki.com/v1290/photos/2/28344/2974527/bb12-vi.jpg

10" diameter wheels, scratch built, one of 8
http://images42.fotki.com/v1466/photos/2/28344/2974527/scan0095-vi.jpg

Big Ed's big S&W .500 dwarfs my paltry 686-2
http://images40.fotki.com/v1339/photos/2/28344/3538256/sw5a-vi.jpg

left -.500 S&W. right 12,7x44R Swedish rolling block... yeah, almost the same
http://images17.fotki.com/v309/photos/2/28344/3538256/sw5d-vi.jpg

m/40 sheep skin parka dated 1940 Swedish army
http://images45.fotki.com/v1310/photos/2/28344/2895379/p3-vi.jpg

m/60 arctic parka sheep skin lined, unissued
http://images42.fotki.com/v1378/photos/2/28344/2895379/p1-vi.jpg

http://images43.fotki.com/v1328/photos/2/28344/2895379/p2-vi.jpg

sheep skin hat m/1910, Swedish army, unissued
http://images15.fotki.com/v235/photos/2/28344/2895379/p6-vi.jpg

m/58 Swedish arctic parka
http://images39.fotki.com/v1350/photos/2/28344/2895379/p8-vi.jpg

that is all

[dualsport]

Nice. Thanks for sharing.

[EMC45]

Awesome pics and thanks for sharing....One question...Do you live in a museum? You have some fine things Sir!

[Mike Venturino]

Dutchman: I salute your dedication. I'm posting a photo of some of the things I got into in the last couple of years.

http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr169/MLV1/10-28-09067LargeWebview.jpg

And my shooting house here in Montana.

http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr169/MLV1/11-28-09gp103.jpg

Don't mean to crowd your thread - just killing time while drinking some awful stuff for some hospital tests in an hour or so.

MLV

[Dutchman]

MLV

I like USGI but to practice my liberal diversity as indoctrinated by Los Angeles Unified School District I must embrace firearms of all nations. We must not discriminate:).

Feel free to crowd the thread anytime. I like your wapenhuis.

http://images39.fotki.com/v1294/photos/2/28344/157842/M1917c-vi.jpg

When I lived in a free state, Indiana, this was my CCW. Policia Federal Argentina 1933. Shoots real good.
http://images43.fotki.com/v1386/photos/2/28344/157842/colt1-vi.jpg

[45nut]

Hey Dutchman,, are you making mounts for the SMLE's?

[Mike Venturino]

Dutchman: Thank you for your attitude. I hope we met someday.

At least drinking that awful stuff was worth it. They now know what was going on inside me and I go into the hospital in a few minutes.

Talk to all you guys when I get out.
MLV

[Tazman1602]

Where are my tums? You know I'm a ~collector~ and researcher. I have a couple mis-match rifles that I give myself permission to play with and one put-together m/96 that I can absolutely do anything to without guilt......... but "hundreds"? OMG...

Swede m/96, nice ones, really nice black streaked walnut or fiddleback walnut, or fiddleback maple and fancy elm can easily bring $500+. I'd bet you gold bars none of the sporters you built would bring that much today. Just a fact of life.

11 years I've been collecting data on m/96 rifles and m/94 carbines. I have roughly 1% of all m/96 Swedish Mausers manufactured, over 500 submissions to this database. I'm pretty sure its the only Mauser database online of its kind, certainly the largest. There are a few sporters in it because I'm collecting numbers and features, but these two databases represent more than a decade of research into variations in stockwoods and other features.
http://dutchman.rebooty.com/96swede.html

(The 1908 Brazilian serial number survey and the 1893/1895 Mauser surveys started were both started by me and I passed them on to others. Both emanated from gunboards.com.)

Carbines from s/n 2 to the possibly last produced carbine in 1932 that I owned in 1966 s/n 113150.
http://dutchman.rebooty.com/94swede.html

Sometimes you get into something that you have no idea where it'll take you. This has been one of those things.

One of the funniest and most obscure things we've gotten into is the barrel vise marks left on some m/96 barrels. They come from only one army depot. They used an 8 jaw chuck of some kind that left "flats" on the chamber shank. Nobody had even noticed it before. We have pictures. Empirical research is rich. Paint markings on buttplates and stock combs. That's another one that's in its infancy.

Being able to put out a call and ask for submissions on a particular aspect has produced and outstanding research tool for Swedish Mauser collectors. I hope future generations leave alone those rifles that are still as-issued. Attrition alone will narrow the survivors and in another 100 years when these rifles are 200 years old........ what will they say?

Dutch

Now Dutch this was a while back, like late 80's early 90's and we were buying them from Century Arms by the case and sporterizing as fast as I could either forge the bolt and trim the barrel or weld on a Ruger type bolt handle and restock them. I've got several stocks left in my shop that I haven't given away.

I CRINGE today at the amount of these I cut up from the originals. It just never occurred that that supply would dry up so totally. Same was true with LR Mauser actions. I've got one pristine Argentine 1909 action in 30-06 (complete rifle) and one 1909 Argentine action left to build into a 300 Winmag someday or maybe a 338-06.

Many of them I converted to a cock on open design -- not recommended unless re-heat treated and a real pain to do (I've still got some of those kits left I THINK.....) but make for a REALLY nice rifle. I just love the old Swede's.

Art

[45nut]

good luck Mike.

[Uncle Grinch]

Dutch,

Reading your threads and viewing your fantastic photography is real entertainment and very informative.

Keep 'um coming!

[Dutchman]

Awesome pics and thanks for sharing....One question...Do you live in a museum? You have some fine things Sir!

No museum but for 10 yrs I lived on a dirt road in northern Indiana and I've been a bachelor for 25 years. What that means to youse married bums is I can do whatever I want whenever I want with whomever I want:).

The back room, the wapenroom, was over the small basement where the woodburning stove was so in winter the wapenroom was the best place to be.

http://images8.fotki.com/v139/photos/2/28344/1676633/cr1-vi.jpg

http://images7.fotki.com/v133/photos/2/28344/1676633/cr7-vi.jpg

http://images8.fotki.com/v138/photos/2/28344/1676633/cr9-vi.jpg

http://images8.fotki.com/v140/photos/2/28344/1676633/cr14-vi.jpg

http://images7.fotki.com/v136/photos/2/28344/1676633/cr3-vi.jpg

[Dutchman]

Hey Dutchman,, are you making mounts for the SMLE's?

No. I have more than enough to do presently and when I'm presently done I'll start on some refined scope mounting ideas. While I have both a No.4 Mk1* and No.3 Mk1* there's nothing to do, LER wise, with the No.4. I've considered trying to do something with the No.3 Mk1* but its so far down on the list I doubt I'll ever get to it. I don't shoot the Lee-Enfields enough to stoke the fire of innovation.

Dutch

[Dutchman]

Dutchman: Thank you for your attitude. I hope we met someday.

At least drinking that awful stuff was worth it. They now know what was going on inside me and I go into the hospital in a few minutes.

Talk to all you guys when I get out.
MLV

Some folks might have a little something to say about my attitude :bigsmyl2:.
I've tried to reduce ornery and contentious but sometimes the world just doesn't cooperate.

I've been through a heart attack and had quad bypass surgery. When its thrust on you very suddenly the world spins very rapidly and then settles down to a slow motion rotation that seems to stand still while you wait to see if you'll live or die. You might say its the ultimate epiphany, this sudden realization of your own mortality. I well remember laying in the ER in Knox, Indiana thinking "wow... I didn't think it would happen this soon". I was 52, now 7 yrs ago.

I hope your hospital stay goes well.

Dutch

[Dutchman]

Now Dutch this was a while back,


Yeah, I know. Ain't hindsight a b*tch?


Dutch

[Uncle R.]

Dutchman:
That's some of the finest porn - er - photography - I've seen. VERY nice pictures - very nice collection - very nice job on those scope mounts. You have my respect sir - mixed with a gallon or two of green-eyed envy.
<SMILE>
Uncle R.

[1874Sharps]

Very cool, Dutchman!!!

[scrapcan]

Dutch,

When are you going to have a mount available for the 98/22?

I am not sure if I forwarded the info on my m96 fo rhte database, but I will.

Thanks for the pictures.

[Dutchman]

Dutch,

When are you going to have a mount available for the 98/22?

I am not sure if I forwarded the info on my m96 fo rhte database, but I will.

Thanks for the pictures.

Before winter is over.

Am I safe with that answer?

I have to do a 98/29 mount, too, and they're very close.

Dutch

[Multigunner]

First Swedish Mauser I ever saw was when the fellow I bought my first Enfield from brought his neighbor over with an Discount store carton marked as containing an Enfield and asked if i could figure out why .303 cartridges wouldn't fit the chamber of his Enfield.
When he opened the box the rifle inside was an absolutely beautiful M96 swedish Mauser, still the prettiest milsurp I've seen straight from the box. not a scratch on it and bore shiny and sharp as new.
He'd paid 39.95 for an Enfield and just accepted the first boxed rifle they handed him from the storeroom without even thinking of inspecting it.

Obviously some minimum wage clerk had somehow put the rifle in the wrong box.
So this guy ended up with a cherry M96 for about half the going rate, and got the best condition milsurp I've ever seen to boot.

Not all were in such great shape, though fine condition Swedes were fairly common back then.

A friend bougth several and only one had any issues. The cocking cam slot had cracked at the bottom and the bore was pretty evenly frosted. He'd bought that rifle only to get the stock which was very nicely figured , for use on another rifle.
The frosted bore would have been okay for cast shooting I suppose, and probably would have lapped out easily enough. The crack at the rear of the bolt wouldn't have compromised safety, but pointed to a possibly brittle bolt.
Other than that single example every Swede I've seen has had an excellent action and bore.

[leadman]

Really like the Rolling Blocks and the 1891 Mauser.
I have a sporterized 1891 and an original that has chrome plated furniture and a varnished stock. Has a number painted in white on the stock.
Any idea what this was? Heard it could have been a "school rifle" ?

[Dutchman]

Really like the Rolling Blocks and the 1891 Mauser.
I have a sporterized 1891 and an original that has chrome plated furniture and a varnished stock. Has a number painted in white on the stock.
Any idea what this was? Heard it could have been a "school rifle" ?

Seems I heard or saw somewhere the chrome rifles were navy. I have the book on Argentines. Guess I should read it again:).

School rifles are usually marked as such. There are a ton and a half of 1891 Argentine variations. Its a very interesting rifle model to collect. I picked that one in this post at a gunshow from a fellow walking around with it. $100. Its real nice.

Dutch

[Multigunner]

Chromed Mauser ceremonial rifles for use by honor guards and occasionally guards in Government buildings have shown up from time to time. I passed up a NAZI honor guard rifle once because I thought it was a bubba'ed K98.
Later I found these were old worn and otherwise unserviceable GEW98 rifles modified to look like a K98 and all metal hardchromed, the stocks were altered and repaired where necessary and then filled , sanded to shape, and painted with many coats of black paint that looked like automobile body paint to me.
The paint job was so thick and smooth I at first thought it was a plastic stock.

Chromed parts from No.5 carbine cadet or honor guard rifles show up now and then as well, usually triggerguards and barrel bands.


I have seen a chromed 1891, many years ago, all metal chromed including action and barrel, the stock was beautifully figured and looked to have a very deep glossy finish, can't remember any real details about it though.
Sometimes Argentine rifles were highly polished and left in the white, like US Springfield Musket barrels were in the 1860's.
Cleaning of in the white rifles consisted of polishing with a paste made from campfire ashes, then drying and oiling. It was much easier to spot neglect that way. Also if there no bluing to begin with theres no problem of bluing becoming worn. Of course that practice fell by the wayside long before WW1.

I think Norway , or maybe Sweden,plated some of its rifles used aboard ship, I've seen plated Rolling Blocks that came from one or the other of the Scandinavian countries.