Help identifying old shotgun

[swheeler]

Hoping someone recognizes this reciever and can give a model number. The lever on the left side cocks the mainspring, reciever is marked with a 5 digit serial number that would be under chamber area of the barrel. stocks are straight grained black walnut and buttstock has a black plastic plate with a large RA in a shield(Remington Arms) This design is unique enough someone should recognize it. Thanks- Scot

[swheeler]

Nobody?

[bubba.50]

what you have is what is known as a remington rider shotgun. there were two model numbers for some minor variations. maybe were no. 1 and no. 3 not sure about that part. know they were at least offered in 12 and 16gauge with barrels up to 32in. for what it's worth, bubba.

[swheeler]

Thanks Bubba. I may try to bring this old girl back to life, do you know if they were damascas bbls?

[swheeler]

Model 1893 No. 3 Single Barrel
OverviewOverview:
Description: Break open, top lever activated with cocking lever on left side of receiver

Introduction Year: 1893

Year Discontinued: 1903

Total Production: 86,000 +/-

Designer/Inventor: Not recorded

Action Type: Break action

Caliber/Gauge: 10,12,16, 20, 24, 28 gauge

Serial Number Blocks: 1,001 – 90,000

# of Grades Offered: N/A
I found this from Remingtons site, still looking.

[bubba.50]

the two i've owned were steel barreled. don't know of any being damascus but can't swear to it. at one time damascus was for higher grade guns. for what it's worth, bubba.

[swheeler]

Bubba: I've been looking for pictures, without much luck I might add but the ones of 1893 No3 look like the gun, buttstock has been altered on one I have. Finding a barrel could be a challenge.

[swheeler]

Looks like Numerich has barrels for about 53.00 plus shipping.

[JIMinPHX]

I've seen a 12-gage version of that gun before. It had a steel barrel, but it had a short chamber. DO NOT fire standard length shells in a gun with a short chamber. Be sure to measure your chamber length before you put any ammo into it.

They were listed in the Sears catalog around the turn of the century. If you can find an old catalog in an antique store, you might be able to get some more info on it from there.

[swheeler]

Thanks Jim, I'll be careful. I found an old add from Remington and looks like they sold for about 10.00 in 02, WOW big bucks back then. I found a bunch of info on my M11 Remington too, it was manufactured in 1916 and sold for 35.00 new.

[Mk42gunner]

In the Gun Digest reprint of the fall 1900 Sears, Roebuck catalog; these guns were $7.50. With blued armory steel barrels, case hardened frame and buttplate. Looks like the pistol grip was broken off the stock.

JIMinPHX's advice to check the chamber length is good for any older shotgun. It really hasn't been that long since 2 9/16 or 2 5/8" shells were common.

Robert

[swheeler]

In the Gun Digest reprint of the fall 1900 Sears, Roebuck catalog; these guns were $7.50. With blued armory steel barrels, case hardened frame and buttplate. Looks like the pistol grip was broken off the stock.

JIMinPHX's advice to check the chamber length is good for any older shotgun. It really hasn't been that long since 2 9/16 or 2 5/8" shells were common.

Robert

Robert I'm thinking I may have an 1893 No 9 now, because of your discription of case hardened buttplate, this one is plastic. Thanks

[swheeler]

And yes a piece has been added to the dog not grip, different wood. Now I have to find what the differences are between No3 and No9, betting purely cosmetic like plastic buttplate, barrels are listed as mod 1893 No3 and No9.

[swheeler]

Looks to me as if the improved No.9 serial numbers, still model of 1893 start at 86K+. If that is the case I have a No3- SN 68K+.

Total Production: 86,000 +/- for 1893 No.3, numbers continued on from there for No9, maybe a parts gun from no 3 and no9 and Ryder stock?

[johnlaw484]

:mrgreen:
Thanks Jim, I'll be careful. I found an old add from Remington and looks like they sold for about 10.00 in 02, WOW big bucks back then. I found a bunch of info on my M11 Remington too, it was manufactured in 1916 and sold for 35.00 new.

Want your money back for the Reimington???
:mrgreen:[

[johnlaw484]

Thanks Jim, I'll be careful. I found an old add from Remington and looks like they sold for about 10.00 in 02, WOW big bucks back then. I found a bunch of info on my M11 Remington too, it was manufactured in 1916 and sold for 35.00 new.
I'll buy at the model 11's you can find for $35.:mrgreen:

[adisonpol]

Model 1894 and Model 1895

The armies of Brazil and Sweden issued the Model 94, and the similar Model 95 was sold to Mexico, Chile, Uruguay, China, Iran, and the South African states of Transvaal and The Orange Free State (Boers). A safety feature offered by the Model 1895 was a low shoulder at the rear of the receiver, just behind the base of the bolt handle, which would contain the bolt in the unlikely event that the front locking lugs sheared off due to excessive pressure. South African Mausers were highly effective against the British during the Second Boer War[13]; these proved deadly at long ranges, prompting the British to design their own Mauser-inspired high-velocity cartridge and rifle. The British Pattern 1913 rifle with a Mauser-style lug might have replaced the Lee-Enfield, but the exigencies of World War I prevented a replacement; thus the Lee-Enfield continued in use until it was replaced by a semi-automatic weapon after World War II. The lower rate of fire and lower magazine capacity was a source of criticism. Ironically, the Germans faced the U.S. M1917 rifle during World War I, which was the Pattern 13 rifle adapted to fire the U.S. .30-06 cartridges.