What should be banned

[helg]

1. Typical car has about 2 tons of iron and about a pound of wheel weights.
2. MLDO (minimum reported lethal dose) for lead is 1470mg/kg. Here is a link (http://www.inchem.org/documents/pims/chemical/organlea.htm). For a 10kg child this is 14,700 mg.
3. The reported MLDO for iron is 600 mg for a child. Here is a link (http://www.prn2.usm.my/mainsite/bulletin/sun/1995/sun31.html).

Iron seems to be about 25 times more dangerous than lead. Iron parts of a car bring 100,000 times more poisoning danger than wheel weights.

I do not buy arguments on lead wheel weights ban before banning the iron.

[7of7]

"The lowest reported lethal dose in man (LDL0) is 1470 µg/kg."

This is micrograms, not milligrams. 1milligram = 1000 micrograms. This would actually be 1.47 milligrams of lead per KG.

All these little squiggly marks can be confusing...

[10 ga]

It should be obvious to any dolt that child fatalities related to motorized vehicles don't involve wheel weights as the primary cause of death. If the do gooders want to save children they should ban minibikes, go carts, atvs, 4 wheelers, personal watercraft, etc ... Of course I really hate to suggest, "children should wear approved safety helmets whenever traveling faster than a walk". OH I could go on and on but.... you get the idea! 10 ga

[missionary5155]

Good Morning
Politicians & all self serving government individuals should be banned. Not God given natural resources.
I am almost 60 & been around HOT lead molded objects since I was 4.... the only lead problems I suffer are from liberals who decide what they think is best for me & my family.
If they really want to SAVE the CHILDREN why not execute every child killer, molester,drug dealer, alcohol seller to minors, child pimps, child pornografy trafficers ...... WOW I just increased the population 3816 per month ! Ask your politicals those questions.
Follow the money... We lead orientated voters do not pass around enough envelopes under the table.
MERRY CHRISTMAS Everyone !!

[Russel Nash]

The operative word in the very first two posts up above is reported.

Reported?

How?

When?

Which test was used?

Was the test repeatable with the same results (aka reliability)?

Was that test known for its ability to actually measure lead levels, and not anything else (aka validity)?

Were there any other extenuating circumstances, like other diseases or conditions, that might have had a synergistic effect with the lead?

In other news today, it was reported that I bring down more money than George Soros, I am more attractive than Hugh Jackman, that I own 7 differently colored '63 split window Corvettes, one for each day of the week, and that I have ______________ (fill in the blank).

What I would like to know is, what was the highest lead level reportedly ever found in a person whose cause of death could be determined to be lead poisoning (and NO!, I don't mean being shot to death either).

Yes, the devil really is in the details...all those mili's and micro's can trip a person up. What can trip a person up even more is how a whole bunch of terms are operationally defined.

In the past, some communities I have lived in operationally defined a firearm to include a BB gun.

[helg]

1470 µg/kg
OMG! 200 pounds may kill a million.

[7of7]

Okay, a 158 grain bullet = 10230000 micrograms.
A 300 lb/137kg person would have an exposure of 74,671 micrograms of lead,... and that isn't even taking into consideration of velocity or impact....

Merry Christmas everyone!!!:coffee:

[chris in va]

And if I may add another factor, we already have quite a bit of iron in our blood. Lead isn't really a natural thing our body needs. Add 600mg of iron and I don't doubt it would throw stuff out of whack.

[ETG]

If people really cared about the well being of children then they would insist on every democrat male be castrated and every democrat female serialized - just like any other destructive animal - feral cats, copperheads, wild pigs - not really any difference is there???????

[Linstrum]

Well, gosh!

Abraham Lincoln supposedly said: "There are lies, damned lies, and then there are statistics."

Iron, despite being a necessary nutrient, is darned poisonous. So are oxygen, zinc, selenium, copper, fluorine (in the form of fluoride used for preventing dental cavities), and cobalt, to name a few.

We also need to ban air since it is around 21% oxygen and oxygen has been implicated as being a potent carcinogen.

The politicians really dropped the ball on oxygen, they could start by doing a study on the best way of killing off the most massive oxygen generator of all, the phytoplankton in all of the oceans. It would seem that doing that would take priority over banning lead since there is an awful lot more oxygen than lead.


rl694

[Lead Fred]

Psst they dont give a damn about health of the earth.

They know its going to take 20 more years to disarm America.

One bullet at a time

[Russel Nash]

The really scarey chemical solution is called "dihydrogen monoxide".

OMG! Is that stuff dangerous!!

;)

[Tazman1602]

If people really cared about the well being of children then they would insist on every democrat male be castrated and every democrat female serialized - just like any other destructive animal - feral cats, copperheads, wild pigs - not really any difference is there???????

They already tried that with Hitlery Klinton, and Nancy Pelosi. When they were wheeled into the operating room and the physician went to do the procedure he discovered they had large, carnivore pointy sharp TEETH that could not be anesthitized between their legs instead of the usual equipment.....................<GRIN>

[RP]

Well Iam not a smart man but i dont think WWs coming loose and hitting someone causing death is a big deal if its even ever happened But a fast moving car truck sure has killed alot of people animals and even plant life.

[Terrier]

Thousands of humans of all ages dye every year from breathing dihydrogen monoxide. Some local municipalites and counties have passed legislation banning the use and posession of the substance. But Washington would rather take away our good health care and put us in the poor house rather than banning a really dangerous material.
Terrier

[oneokie]

Even ingestion of excessive amounts of Universal Solvent (dihydrogen monoxide) can be fatal.

[Echo]

every democrat female serialized

Well, maybe some of the liberal females would enjoy being serialized, and there might be a line formed...

(No, I'm NOT a member of the Spelling Cops! But I had to, I just HAD TO!)

[Echo]

And I've heard of dihydrogen monoxide junkies that get drunk on the stuff, ingesting gallons at a time (poor mistreated kidneys!) and have died for their efforts to abstain from ethyl alcohol (as in Bombay Sapphire).

And let's not forget the danger of nitrogen. Too much of that will kill you dead. Maybe I shouldn't say it - some liberal politician will want to ban it...

[bob208]

what should be banned?

stupid people., liberials, peta, that commie in the white house, all liberial teachers, illeagle ailians, and many other things that are ruining this country.

[muleequestrian]

Well according to the Liberals, CO2 is going to be banned soon since it causes " Global Warming ". Where does that leave all the life on Earth since we all exhale CO2 every time we breathe. They want to ban lead as a dangerous substance too. I think Liberals are the dangerous " substance " that should be banned.

[Shiloh]

It is symbolism over substance. Same with banning Freon. There are more chloro-flouro-carbons
released daily from volcanic activity than all produced by industry ever.

No difference with lead. Common sense should be put into play. Where common sense is lacking is in politics. No shortage of feel good, high and mighty, do-gooder oppetunism there!!

Shiloh

[Tazman1602]

Well Iam not a smart man but i dont think WWs coming loose and hitting someone causing death is a big deal if its even ever happened But a fast moving car truck sure has killed alot of people animals and even plant life.

OH YEAH? WHAT IF IT'S A SEMI-AUTOMATIC ASSUALT WHEELWEIGHT? CERTAINLY THOSE SHOULD BE BANNED!
<grin>

[Russel Nash]

We obviously need "common sense" wheel weight control laws on the books.

When you outlaw wheelweights, only outlaws will have wheelweights.

:veryconfu

:mrgreen:

[Russel Nash]

We also obviously need to close the wheel weight "loophole".

[RP]

Oh guys think about it goberment never did anything that made sense why would they start now

[helg]

It is symbolism over substance. Same with banning Freon. There are more chloro-flouro-carbons
released daily from volcanic activity than all produced by industry ever.
Freon was banned wherever possible by research results at the time when its patent expired. Same story with Teflon - it was not banned however, but was "proven to cause cancer" at the time when the appropriate patent expired. In both cases owner of the parent was the same - Dupont.

This is to say that there was sense on the Freon ban. It was not "common" though.

[Russel Nash]

I think I know what you're saying...

If you're DuPont and you do millions of dollars of R and D on a particular product, then get a patent on it, and then market this product to the world or industry, and because of your patent protections you are raking in money hand over fist...

you then pull a "Chicken Little" and go "This is a bad product and may cause cancer in order to get it banned.

Just so NO one else can ride the coattails of your patent....

Hmmmn....interesting....

Did I get that correct?

:coffeecom

[helg]

Did I get that correct? This is exactly right. Google returns a lot of info in the issue

http://www.google.com/search?q=dupont+teflon+freon+patent

Nobel prize in 1995 was granted to people, who developed model of the "ozon hole" and its degradation by the Freons - the model that is not connected to reality.

Below is an extract from Wiki article. It adds to the above that the new HCFC coolant, which is patented by DuPont, is "proven" to be safe to the environment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorofluorocarbon
[..]
In 1978 the United States banned the use of CFCs such as Freon in aerosol cans, the beginning of a long series of regulatory actions against their use. The critical DuPont manufacturing patent for Freon ("Process for Fluorinating Halohydrocarbons", U.S. Patent #3258500) was set to expire in 1979. In conjunction with other industrial peers DuPont sponsored efforts such as the "Alliance for Responsible CFC Policy" to question anti-CFC science, but in a turnabout in 1986 DuPont, with new patents in hand, publicly condemned CFCs.[8] DuPont representatives appeared before the Montreal Protocol urging that CFCs be banned worldwide and stated that their new HCFCs would meet the worldwide demand for refrigerants
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