Most accurate .45 LC boolit [Archive]

Bucks Owin

11-23-2009, 02:57 PM

Any weight, any design, what's the most accurate bullet you've used in the .45 Colt, Blackhawk especially, and just how accurate is it? Time to buy a new mold! TIA, Dennis

Tom W.

11-23-2009, 03:23 PM

The RCBS 270 SAA is a good one.

beagle

11-23-2009, 03:25 PM

I've never been able to beat the old Lyman 454190 as far as accuracy in the BH. NOt that good of a game bullet but is accurate./beagle

45 2.1

11-23-2009, 03:30 PM

The 452460 is extremely accurate. The 454190 doesn't have any flies on it either.

BCB

11-23-2009, 03:32 PM

I gotta give a vote to the RCBS 45-270-SAA also...

Plenty accurate from my Blackhawk at least at the distances I shoot--50 yards or less...

BCB

fredj338

11-23-2009, 03:52 PM

I gotta give a vote to the RCBS 45-270-SAA also...

Plenty accurate from my Blackhawk at least at the distances I shoot--50 yards or less...

BCB
Yep, probably isn't a one size fits all, but in my 4 5/8" RBHSS, since I honed the chamber throats, it will shoot into less than 2" @ 25yds from a rest.

jleneave

11-23-2009, 07:56 PM

I gotta give a vote to the RCBS 45-270-SAA also...

Plenty accurate from my Blackhawk at least at the distances I shoot--50 yards or less...

BCB

+1 on the RCBS 45-270-SAA

I love this boolit out of my Ruger BH with 5 1/2" barrel. I use straight ACWW and LARS Carnuaba Red lube and get a total weight of 281grs. My load data is Starline brass, 20.0grs of 2400, and a CCI# 300 primer. At 25 yds from a sand bag rest I can shoot groups a little less than 2" all day long. The recoil is pretty stiff but it is an accurate load!

Jody

9.3X62AL

11-23-2009, 08:07 PM

Another vote for Lyman #454190 here. After opening my BisHawk's throats, these have run VERY well, whether at 800 or 1100 FPS.

Another boolit that has run well for me in 3 different 45 Colts is Lyman #454490, a Thompson-like SWC design with gas check. It shot good even when the throats were @ .449" and the grooves were .452" in the BisHawk.

Frozone

11-23-2009, 08:21 PM

I gota go with the Lyman 452490 too. Awful hard to beat that one.

Big Boomer

11-23-2009, 09:46 PM

LBT 340 gr. WLN (wide long nose) gas check boolit. Cast of WW, I drop it from a 4-cavity mould into a bucket of water. A little heavy for caliber. Use CCI mag. primers over a stiff load of H110. Recoil is heavy but boolit is accurate in my guns. 'Tuck

geargnasher

11-23-2009, 10:00 PM

454190 in New Vaquero, Cimarron Bisely, and especially the Henry rifle. Rifle makes ragged holes at 25 yards and keeps 5 touching at 50 if I do my part with the crude sights. Pistols both group under 2" at 25 with me shooting and have done better for some of my friends. The 454190 edges out the 452664 and Lee 454-250-rfn and 452-250-rfn. Haven't tried the RCBS mould.

Gear

R.C. Hatter

11-23-2009, 10:02 PM

:violin: I have to go with the Lyman #454190 for accuracy, followed closely by Lyman #454424. Either one is very good in my 4-5/8" O.M. Ruger over 8.5 gr. of Unique and
a CCI Large Pistol primer.

ChuckS1

11-23-2009, 10:05 PM

I also vote for the 454190. Most accurate cast bullet in my USFA Pre-War.

GLL

11-23-2009, 10:19 PM

For shear accuracy this old IDEAL 454190 is the best I have (right hand bullet) !

Jerry

http://www.fototime.com/3DC734975B4795C/orig.jpg

azrednek

11-23-2009, 10:56 PM

I gota go with the Lyman 452490 too. Awful hard to beat that one.

I'm with you 100% on that one. On top of it being my favorite in medium 45 Colt loads, it is also great in 45ACP revolvers. My other two favorites for the 45 Colt are Saeco #'s 453 and when I revving things up I get great results from the 945.

http://www.redding-reloading.com/PDFfiles/bulletchart.pdf

44man

11-24-2009, 10:01 AM

Not a good hunting boolit but all of you see how nice that boolit enters the forcing cone. A larger meplat on that boolit is all that is needed for hunting and it will shoot as good.

cajun shooter

11-24-2009, 10:22 AM

The 454190 is the best. It's hard to believe that the original design is not out done by anything modern. I had Dave Farmer of Hoch molds make me a mold of a redesigned 454190. I had Blammer do the first design and after some tweaking by Farmer and myself I have a nice bullet. The meplat is larger along with the lube grooves so that BP will not be a problem. The bullet weighs 250 gr after being filled with lube. Later David

schutzen

11-24-2009, 10:39 AM

You guys that like the RCBS 45-270 SAA, have you tried it in a .45LC rifle. I have a Winchester '94AE that is really wanting to throw some cast lead. I have been looking at this bullet, but would like to hear your comments. While I will punch some paper with this set up, it will primarily be used for hog hunting in thick brush.

Bucks Owin

11-24-2009, 02:05 PM

Not a good hunting boolit but all of you see how nice that boolit enters the forcing cone. A larger meplat on that boolit is all that is needed for hunting and it will shoot as good. Yeah, I like the meplat and plain base of the Lee 452 255. Lube grooves look a little small...Wonder how accurate? I've also been eyeballin' the RCBS 270 and will keep an eye on the auctions for the 454190...

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a356/BucksOwin/452255rf.gif

Don McDowell

11-24-2009, 02:20 PM

Dale53

11-24-2009, 02:46 PM

I am a fan of the Keith bullets (in this case, the 454424 or my particular favorite, the NOE version). The Keith bullets shoot VERY well, cut a clean hole in paper for easy scoring and have a LARGE meplat for excellent results on game.

FWIW
Dale53

BCB

11-24-2009, 03:18 PM

Don McDowell,

One ragged hole at 50 yards?

Is that Blackhawk 'scoped?

That is some mighty fine shooting...

BCB

StarMetal

11-24-2009, 03:22 PM

The Lee 250 gr swc, and the Rcbs 255 KT both will lob a cylinder full into one raggedy hole at 50 yds from either a blackhawk or a winchester trapper.
9 grs of unique, or 18 grs of 2400, 20 grs of 5744, and 25 grs of 4198, all have have worked well with both bullets. I've also used a huge amount of h110 for some sizzler velocity and excellent accuracy, but I'll keep that charge weight to myself.

I'll have to vote for that RCBS bullet too. I have it and everything I shoot it out of is accurate and my standard load is that 9.0 grains of Unique. I have the Model 94 Trapper too and with that load and bullet I shot a lot of groundhogs.....and not real close shots either.

I was shooting starlings at about 75 yards with my Marlin Cowboy and that load too. Shot a squirrel out of a tree at about 65 yards with the Marlin.

Joe

Don McDowell

11-24-2009, 03:47 PM

Don McDowell,

One ragged hole at 50 yards?

Is that Blackhawk 'scoped?

That is some mighty fine shooting...

BCB

NO scope,stock sights just shot from prone

Way back when.... Friend of mine was out shooting his 7mag getting ready for hunting season. He took a gallon milk jug full of water out about 300 yds, I told him Hell I'll get it with this pistol before you can with that rifle. Well I banged a few out that direction got a couple walked in terrible close. He cranked off a couple from a rest with that rifle, nodda.... His wife went to look see, one round from that colt had let most of the water out the bottom , he did have 2 hits close together, but with no water in the jug, those bullets just whipped on thru....
He didn't bother bad mouthin handguns as good for nothing after that...:grin:

1874Sharps

11-24-2009, 03:50 PM

I have had real good luck with both the old Ideal (Lyman) Keith 250 grain and RCBS 230 grain RFN Cowboy boolit. I have switched over to the RCBS boolit because the Ideal boolit was a bit long in the nose to shoot in my replica Schofield, even though the overall length was within SAAMI specs. The RCBS 230 grain boolit shoots very well in both the 1873 Winchester replica and all the revolvers I have in 45 Colt, which is somewhat of an anomally. It shoots well with both black powder and smokeless as well. Not much more can be asked of any boolit!

Bucks Owin

11-24-2009, 04:00 PM

What I want is a .45 bullet that'll at least "scare" ground squirrels out to the 150 yd mark like my old .44 Ruger did. (This was 232 gr @140 yds) That fine shooter is now history sadly, but the squirrels aren't and my 7.5" .45 BH needs a longrange load. Light and fast bullet would be good as long as the accuracy holds up..http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a356/BucksOwin/12db6a09.jpg

StarMetal

11-24-2009, 04:04 PM

NO scope,stock sights just shot from prone

Way back when.... Friend of mine was out shooting his 7mag getting ready for hunting season. He took a gallon milk jug full of water out about 300 yds, I told him Hell I'll get it with this pistol before you can with that rifle. Well I banged a few out that direction got a couple walked in terrible close. He cranked off a couple from a rest with that rifle, nodda.... His wife went to look see, one round from that colt had let most of the water out the bottom , he did have 2 hits close together, but with no water in the jug, those bullets just whipped on thru....
He didn't bother bad mouthin handguns as good for nothing after that...:grin:

You might have a handgun shooting contest with 44man.[smilie=w:

Joe

BCB

11-24-2009, 04:13 PM

Well guys, I can see I am way out gunned concerning these wheel guns and open sights and long range shooting. Phewwwwwww…

Some things a guy just has to accept!!!

I also shoot 9.0 grains of Unique with the RCBS 45-270-SAA from my Blackhawk for a muzzle velocity of 974 fps. Tennis ball size groups or a bit smaller at 50 yards most days…

I also shoot 20.0 grains of Lil’ Gun and the same boolit for a muzzle velocity of 1157 fps and the same tennis ball sized accuracy at 50 yards again…

I have also shot 23.0 grains of H-110 but that is probably maximum and the accuracy is not as good as with the Lil’ Gun…

I do like the RCBS 45-270-SAA…

Good-luck…BCB

Bucks Owin

11-24-2009, 04:21 PM

FWIW, my .44 mag "varmit load" was the RCBS 225 GC (232 gr WDWW) over 20 grs of SR 4759/WLP/WW cases for 1350 fps. Pressures mild, pleasant to shoot all day long and certainly as accurate as I am!....Dennis

Don McDowell

11-24-2009, 04:33 PM

BCB you probably just need to tinker with the amount of crimp (or lack thereof) bullet size and lube.
Also shooting 2-300 rounds a week doesn't hurt anything either.

Bucks Owin

11-24-2009, 05:18 PM

Frank

11-25-2009, 11:25 AM

BCB says
Well guys, I can see I am way out gunned concerning these wheel guns and open sights and long range shooting. Phewwwwwww…

Some things a guy just has to accept!!!

Yeah, some of us wheelgun shooters are even having fun scaring guys off the rifle range. [smilie=l:

MT Gianni

11-25-2009, 12:52 PM

Yeah, I like the meplat and plain base of the Lee 452 255. Lube grooves look a little small...Wonder how accurate? I've also been eyeballin' the RCBS 270 and will keep an eye on the auctions for the 454190...

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a356/BucksOwin/452255rf.gif

I sold mine. I found the accuracy to be less than my 454424 or 452460. Lee's 300 gr gc works but it takes a check and IMO needs to be pushed hard. Lloyd Smale did a group buy of a RCBS 255 gr that needs more attention in my guns but has promise. RCBS as many has changed their design over the years.

Bucks Owin

11-25-2009, 02:05 PM

I sold mine. I found the accuracy to be less than my 454424 or 452460. Lee's 300 gr gc works but it takes a check and IMO needs to be pushed hard. Lloyd Smale did a group buy of a RCBS 255 gr that needs more attention in my guns but has promise. RCBS as many has changed their design over the years.
Thanks for sharing the experience with the Lee bullet. I can use a GC design, I just hate spending primer/powder money on Hornady gascheck$ for informal target use. Maybe I'll get a "Freecheck" rig to make my own...

BCB

11-25-2009, 02:09 PM

BCB you probably just need to tinker with the amount of crimp (or lack thereof) bullet size and lube.
Also shooting 2-300 rounds a week doesn't hurt anything either.

It would take more then crimp adjustment for me to shoot that good with a wheelgun. Heck, the front sight on my Ruger covers a 6" circle at 50 yards. At 200 yards it would appear to be 24" wide. Tough to "bead in" and anything with that much room for error...

I do have a 'scoped SRH with the 10.5 inch barrel in 44 Magnum. I can hit my life-sized steel ground hog with it at 200 yards, but the 7x 'scope is the only way...

With me it is part of the vision and even 2-300 rounds per week would not allow accuracy that has been mentioned throughout this thread...

Contenders--Well, that is another story...

BCB

Bucks Owin

11-25-2009, 02:24 PM

It would take more then crimp adjustment for me to shoot that good with a wheelgun. Heck, the front sight on my Ruger covers a 6" circle at 50 yards. At 200 yards it would appear to be 24" wide. Tough to "bead in" and anything with that much room for error...
BCB

Man, that's a fact! An average size target looks like a flea sitting on top of the front sight! Takes a LOT of concentration, a solid sandbag rest and good light conditions. Even then, there are many frustrating days between times that you are "on". Guess that's what makes long range shooting fun. It certainly is very good practice for trigger control and follow through. (And keeps one busy at the reloading bench too!)....Dennis :lol:

C1PNR

11-25-2009, 08:45 PM

Well, I guess I kind of buck the major trend here. My 7 1/2" BH likes either the 454424 at 264 grains, or the 452423 at 245 grains. Both with my alloy out of my moulds. H4227 in the heavy and HS-6 in the lighter weight.

For me the 452460 is really more at home in the 1911 and 25-2 rather than the .45 Colt.