Is a .410 able to fire .45LC?

[docone31]

Can a .410 NEF single shot fire .45LC?
Kinda curious on that.

[peter nap]

I wouldn't. Even if it locks up the 45LC bullet is 452. The 410 is .410.

You'll shoot your eye out!

[docone31]

It isn't for me.
One of my customers wants to know.
Perhaps it is well he cannot chamber a .45. I told him to use .410 slugs.

[Bert2368]

Taurus, magnum research, american derringer and Thompson Center all make pistols advertised to fire both the .410 and .45 Colt.

[Cactus Farmer]

Taurus, magnum research, american derringer and Thompson Center all make pistols advertised to fire both the .410 and .45 Colt.

I'd bet they are .452 bore barrels. A .410 in that will work,a .452 bullet in a .410 hole will be an interference fit to say the least. Why take a chance,410 slugs are available and we all know they fit,and might be cheaper too. For heavy 410 work I prefer a 3 inch with 4's or the newer 3 pellets of OOO buck, Death on coyotes at 50+yards.:holysheep

[yondering]

Can a .410 NEF single shot fire .45LC?
Kinda curious on that.

NO.

45 Colt shouldn't even be able to chamber in that gun; even if it does the bore is too small. There are a few guns out there that will fire both .410 and 45 Colt, but they have larger bores and different chambers than a normal .410 shotgun.

I always wondered if you could use some sort of light loaded 41 Mag (or 41 Special?) in a .410 in a pinch but never tried it.

[2ndAmendmentNut]

Can a .410 NEF single shot fire .45LC?
Kinda curious on that.

No. Even if it would fit and fire, a 45Colt boolit down a smooth bore might be less then impressive when it comes to accuracy.

[KCSO]

A 45 Colt will CHAMBER in an NEF single shot. You Don"t want to fire it because the barrel inside goes from about 420 at the breech to a full choke of 397 and that is NOT the way to resize a 452 or larger bullet. I doubt the gun will blow up but the choke area will hammer out and bulge after a few shots and the primer will set back in the larger shotgun firing pin hole. All in all NOT a good idea.

[yondering]

A 45 Colt will CHAMBER in an NEF single shot.

Interesting to know. The one I tried wouldn't chamber at all, not even almost. It's surprising there'd be that much difference in chamber sizes but I guess it makes sense that shotguns can vary more than rifles and handguns.

[Doughty]

A .44 mag (or .44 Spec.) will fire in some .410s cause I saw a guy doing it. I tried to talk him out of it, but he wouldn't listen. Said he had been doing it for years and had killed deer with it. Maybe in some kind of desperation situation, but otherwise it's "fools rush in....."

[oldhickory]

I've heard of some old timers shooting .44WCF out of a .410, but never a .45Colt, .44Spl, or .44Magnum.

[GBertolet]

It would be a tight squeeze. The .410 bore is 41 cal, minus the choke restriction. Plus the shotgun action is designed for 12 to 13k pressure. A single barrel would be stronger than a pump or semi. The 45-410 combos aka T/C contender or Taurus Judge have a 45 bore, so restriction is not a factor. A light loaded 44 with a soft cast bullet is feasable, but not reccomended. The disaster factor is too great!

[bohokii]

how about firing a .45 colt shotshell ?

[KCSO]

If you want to load a brass case for a 410 use 444 brass, that is just about as close to 410 brass case as you can find. These are what I use for my M95 Styer shotgun.

[HamGunner]

When I was 11 years old, my Dad bought me a Springfield break open single shot and of course, it had a full choke. I don't remember how old I was when I tried it, but I came across an old .45 Government round and being a true boy full of questions, tried it in the chamber. It fit almost perfect or at least it did chamber. The shotgun and me are both in great condition, as I did not fire the thing. But, many .410 shotgun chambers will apparently chamber a few .45's. Especially the break open shotguns that have generous space around the rim area.

[rbuck351]

KCSO is right. I also use 444 brass to make 410 shot shells for my savage24 OU. I you insist on using a bullet in it, use a soft lead 40s&w bullet. Thet are about 401 dia so the choke won't have to do much sizing. Not very accurate though.

[Bullshop Junior]

I would not try it unless it is a 45/410. But I don't like them.
When I had a 410 we made some cases out of 303 brit brass, and they worked well.
It did not to well with boolits though..........

[Bob in Revelstoke]

I have a Stevens single shot break open .410. It will chamber .45 long Colt and 44.40. The action will close with normal effort. I have never had the nerve to try it, but have heard stories of people who claim to have done it or maybe it was there second cousins girl friend next door neighbor who did it.

I have a 1918 catalog that shows a "Marbles Gamegetter" It had an upper rifled barrel of 22 cal. and a lower barrel, smooth bored of 44 cal, for use with 44 round ball or shot cartridges, or .410 paper cartridges. It had a revolver type grip and attached wire skeleton stock. It came with a 12 inch barrel and holster for $18.00, 15 inch for $19.10 and 18 inch for $20.20. I wonder if that is where these tales come from or similar guns.

$18.00 to $20.00 was about a months pay, so rather expensive. Of course there was a war on on at the time.

[schutzen]

In 45 years of gun trading, I have seen 2 single barrel .410 shotguns that were stamped .410/.44. One of those guns is in the possession of an older gunsmith south of here. He and I have gone over that gun multiple times looking for a makers name or any identification marks at all. There are none. My gunsmith friend is in his mid 80's and tells me his father told him these guns were popular with farmers prior to WWI. It was a one gun does all things for them.

My best guess is they were "hardware store" guns manufactured by one or more gun makers and sold to large hardware distributers to be marketed as their own make of gun. One that comes to mind is "Best Hardware Company, St. Louis Mo." They had single barrel shotguns made by various manufacturers and the stamped Best Hardware Company on the frame.

My gunsmith friend has to correct idea; they are part of Americana nostalgia in the form of wall hangers.

[rick/pa]

I bought one of the .45/.410 T/C"s around 1988. It was all they made at the time, the .45 Colt no longer being chambered. Couldn't keep 5 shots on a 8"x11" target at 25 yds. I traded the barrel for a straight .45 Colt barrel, an older one. IMHO, the .45/.410 is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. You want to shoot a bullet out of a .410, they make slugs for it. The .45 Colt is a decent, even impressive cartridge, on its own, why screw around with shot?

[smkummer]

My brother-in-law has an H & R single shot that is stamped on the barrel either 44/410 or 410/44. Its been 25 years since I looked at the gun. I was going to load him some SAMMI spec. 44 specials for the gun but he moved out of town. If I had the gun, I would see what the choke was before I fired it. It sounds interesting and fun. I might have to inquire about it and see if he will let me have buy it.

[jbunny]

Can a .410 NEF single shot fire .45LC?
Kinda curious on that.
little johny in the back row waveing franticly.[smilie=s:
after reading all these posts , i'll trow my 2 cents in here. i have
a stainless 410 snake charmer. i load 4 triple 000 buck and that shoots real nice.
i also shoot 45 colt factory out to 40 yds. i shoot this like a pistol with one
hand. it is 410 cyl bore as i sluged it.the 45 colt are
cheaper to buy than those 410 slugs
which are 87 gr IIRC. i asume the the short case of the 45 colt compared to
the 410 case lets the 45 colt boolit a good running start before it gets to the sizzeing
chamber where it goes from .454 or something like that to .410. good thing
the 45 factory are mild and use sofy lead. this post is woth exactaly what u paid for it.
hehe
take care
jb

[snuffy]

If you want to load a brass case for a 410 use 444 brass, that is just about as close to 410 brass case as you can find. These are what I use for my M95 Styer shotgun.

Not anymore.

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=151679

These magtech brass cases don't involve all the work to re-form 444 cases. Just buy and load. Use a universal decapper for the pistol primers, and a magnum shell holder for priming,(300 mag size shell holder).

If you already have the right wads for the 444 cases, you'll be in good shape for loading the thinner brass cases. If not, then you'll find the plastic or paper .410 wads too small. The problem then is having powder migrate past the powder/seal or paper nitro card wad.

[snuffy]

Also, I have a Comanche single shot pistol in 45/.410. The bore is rifled, and is .452, there's a removable choke tube AND another tube the is made to stop the rotation of the .410 wads/shot column. It works well with .410 shells, a real kicker with 3" shells. It's terrible with 45 colt lead boolits, not much better with jacketed. The problem is the long jump from the 45 colt shell to the rifling, then there's the lousy quality of the actual rifling. Can't complain for what it cost!:shock::cry:

[Multigunner]

My brother-in-law has an H & R single shot that is stamped on the barrel either 44/410 or 410/44. Its been 25 years since I looked at the gun. I was going to load him some SAMMI spec. 44 specials for the gun but he moved out of town. If I had the gun, I would see what the choke was before I fired it. It sounds interesting and fun. I might have to inquire about it and see if he will let me have buy it.

Before the .410 came along there were .44 caliber shotshells which could be drawn brass or paper shells that looked very much like a shorter .410 hull. The .44 shotshells were sometimes used in leveraction shotguns but other action types were adapted for it as well.
It was a bit more powerful than the various European garden gun shot shells, and a round ball load was available.

Sounds like that H&R was manufactured when the .410 was first catching on, and chambered to use either shell interchangably.
Caution though since early .410 shells were rather short, some modern .410 shells using a star crimp might fit but the fired hull be too long and cause excessive pressures in a short chamber.


PS
A coworker was given a .45/70 Trapdoor Springfield by a nieghbor who'd bought two as decorator items for about a dollar apiece back in the 1920's , probably from Bannermans.
He asked my friend to clean them up and see if they'd fire, and low and behold both were actually in fine shape.
My friend didn't know what ammo these used so he fired only .410 shotshells in his.

[Russell James]

Ok fellas, how about this combination.........firing 40cal glock out of a 410 shotgun?
I have the chance to incorporate these two if I buy a sinlge barrell 410 Im looking at, and maybe a ready supply of 40 cal ammo?
Regards Russell James

[Lloyd Smale]

weve got an old single shot 410 at camp thats had about 500 44 specials shot through it. these are factory level 44 specials. the gun shoots them into 2 inchs at 25 yards. A couple porkys have even succumed to it. 4440s will work to

[John Taylor]

A lot of the old 44 shot is actually a 44-40 chamber. I have seen a few H&A marked 44 long shot. I don't think it's a good idea to shoot anything through a gun that was not designed for it. Why take a chance with losing an eye or a life. Sort of like kids jumping off the bridge when I was young, one of them found a rock just under the surface. The pistols that use 45 Colt and 410 are rifled for the 45 because that's what the law requires on any gun with a barrel that is less than 18" ( antiques excluded). Some of the pistols like T/C have a screw in choke with strait rifling to stop the spin on the shot.