My M1909 Argentine Cavalry Carbine

[Buckshot]

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............More a 'short rifle' then a carbine, but that's what it's supposed to be, a carbine.

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Even though it isn't a "Mauser" Mauser, it's still quite nicely built.

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Yea! It all matches :-)

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It's a nice rifle to carry. Very well balanced. I actually have 2 of these 'Carbines' and it is absolutely amazing the length of the throat and leade they put on them. The barrels on both are like new. If they were shot much they were well taken care of afterwards. The lands start about an inch in front of the casemouth. The throat is tapered and at it's widest, in front of the casemouth is .316". In 0.600" it has tapered to .312" and then for about 0.150" it remains .312" where the lands start. It's about another 0.200" before the lands are their full height.

This particular rifle (or carbine!) has a bore-groove of .304" x .312". The only cast boolit that has been in anyway what you'd call accurate had been the Lyman 314199 sized .314". The other M1909 Cav Carb has a bore -groove of .305" x .3115" at the breech and the groove is .312" at the muzzle. The 314299 only goes .302" on the nose and 5 rounds at 50 yards has delivered groups of 1.5" with a few larger and some smaller. I've yet to try any of the Nu-Judge, or my 'Fat' Loverins in either rifle yet. No sense rushing into anything.

The Nu-Judge @ 193grs goes .306" on the nose and a solid .316" on the drive bands. It's OAL is 1.123" but is .813" from base to the turn of the ogive. The Fat Loverins run 183grs, and are 1.027" OAL wiht it's flat nose. The front band is .311" and is .805" from thebase. Used in a dummy test cartridge neither will reach the lands. Given how the more undersized 314299 shot, I hold out more hope for these other 2 designs.

Several years ago I tried some of the Hornady 174gr SP's at .312" in both rifles and the best of the cast loads equaled these jacketed loads, except the jacketed ones were going 2300 some FPS and the cast was doing 1720 FPS. Hopefully in the next month I can get some test ammo with the other 2 cast slugs loaded up, and maybe even shot!

.................Buckshot

[legend]

SWEET! Thanks for shareing.

legend

[Ricochet]

Nice one!

[Mike Venturino]

Great photos again. I honestly didn't know that M1909 Carbines existed. I like their looks.

MLV

[txpete]

beautiful!! I have been looking for one for years.

pete

[chboats]

I am envious, a good bore in a carbine. I have one that the bore is sooooo shot out that for best accuracy I shoot the Lyman 323470 bullet sized to .325. I had to trim the case necks to .010 thickness in order to chamber the rounds. They are fun to shoot and it has the smoothest action of any mauser I know of.

Carl

[Hip's Ax]

Lovely Rifles!!!

HARD to find and expensive when you do!!!

I'm just green with envy. :mrgreen:

I have one but its the long version. I'll be looking forward to your eventual report for both those moulds, I bought them too. :)

[georgewxxx]

I was thinking there were 2 Argentine Mauser carbines, then I dug out my Small Arms of The World just to check on my memory and find there were 6 if you count the 2 made from the 1891 models. Mine is a 1909 model with a blank plate where the lower sling swivel would normally go. Like Buckshot's, mine was made at the FMAP armory. There is a matching serial number on the stock just below the one on the receiver.

The barrel lengths are supposed be the telling thing as what Carbine you have. Cavalry carbines are 21.5" and the Mountain/Engineers model is 21.25. The 1891's are shorter yet at 17.6"

Best bollits in mine are the loverin 311466 & 311467 sized 311. The 311299 does about as well. ....Geo

[budman46]

buckshot,

had two years ago, non matching, but they shot well; got them from a sears surplus store in se pennsylvania. too bad i let them go...and worse, they were butchered for their actions.

i still have a pristine m1909 rifle that shoots my casts very well.

off point, thanks for bull plate sprue lube...it lets me run molds incredibly quickly with no leading under the sprue cutter; now i can use take advantage of lee molds without galling the tops of the blocks.

budman

[Kraschenbirn]

Snagged this DWM-mfg'd '09 Argie Carbine off an estate sale last year. Stock was sticky with old oil and bore fouled so badly you could barely make out the rifling but the numbers all matched so I figured "What the Heck?" Took a lot of scrubbing - inside and out - but it cleaned up pretty well. Shoots good with both the Lee 312-160 and 312-185, too.

Bill

[MtGun44]

Buckshot,

If not a 'real' Mauser - who actually made that little gem? Very nice looking carbine,
and clearly was taken really good care of over the years.

Bill

[Buckshot]

Buckshot,

If not a 'real' Mauser - who actually made that little gem? Very nice looking carbine,
and clearly was taken really good care of over the years.

Bill

.............Bill, It was of indigenous (Argentine) manufacture at FMAP. This model was also made by DWM and supplied to Argentina, and is more valuable due to the 'Brand' name :-) That is assuming comparable condition, and also why I mentioned it wasn't a REAL Mauser.

..............Buckshot

[chevyiron420]

Very nice! I have a long one that i havent had time to shoot much. Hopefully soon.

[BIG GUN]

I make my 7.65Arg brass from mil. 30-06. simply run it into a 7.65 size die then using a tubing cutter, slice at the ring on the case, then do the final case trim.
Works like a champ. I use 42G of H4831 over a Lyman 311291 ww bullet.
This load shoots minute of angle.