h-108 and h-116 powder data needed

[maddog2020]

I shoot 41 mag, 44mag, 357mag and 45acp4any help guys?
new to this surplus powder thing

[4296]

The data that I received with my purchase of a 8 pound jug of H108, that was provided by Hodgdon, gives 5 .357 loads, 4 .44 Mag loads, and one .410 load.

.357 MAGNUM
125 JHP 17.5grains 34,400CUP

140JSP 16grains 34,800CUP

150 JSP 15grains 33,600CUP

158JHP 14.5grains 34,200CUP

180JHP 12grains 35,400CUP


44 MAGNUM
200JHP 24grains 34,000CUP

225JSP 21grains 37,100CUP

240JHP 20grains 38,200CUP

265JFP 18.5grains 34,000CUP

THESE ARE MAXIMUM LOADS

Some of the loads I have used:

.357 158LSWC 14.5 H108 CCI Mag Primer 1160 fps S&W M27 5"
1061 fps S&W M66 2.5"

44 Mag 270Gold Dot 18.5 H108 Win.Standard Primer 1166fps RugerSBH 7.5"
1160fps Ruger Redhawk 5.5"

[Bulletlube]

I use 17 grs. H108 and magnum primers with 220 SWC in my Ruger Super Blackhawk Bisley Hunter. No data listed just a load that I worked up, might be to hot for your guns so be careful. This is not a recomendation just what I use.

[maddog2020]

I use 17 grs. H108 and magnum primers with 220 SWC in my Ruger Super Blackhawk Bisley Hunter. No data listed just a load that I worked up, might be to hot for your guns so be careful. This is not a recomendation just what I use.

I shoot a super redhawk 9" 44mag

[maddog2020]

btw all I am shooting atm is cast , so need any data you guys can find for me, I hate to waste 16lbs of powder

[felix]

H108 is a medium burning WC820, where any AA9 load would be safe. H116 is equvalent to most lots of AA680/WW680/WC680. ... felix

[maddog2020]

so if I use that data and reduce 5-10% and work up I should be ok?

[felix]

Without doubt. ... felix

[maddog2020]

AA#9 powder
12.2gr 1187fps starting load
13.5gr 1349fps max load

158 LSWC
CCI 500 primerr
C.O.L. 1.580

so this would be good starting point with the h108?

[felix]

Yes, split the difference and use 13.0 if the lead is hard. If soft, use 12.0, but not below. Use standard primer. ... felix

[maddog2020]

I sent you a pm if you see something I can use please email

[maddog2020]

can't locate any data on these AA680/WW680/WC680?

[felix]

If using 680 in your 44, use a case full of powder WITHOUT compression. Compare your loads using both magnum and standard primers. ... felix

[Ricochet]

The various 680s are all batches of WC680, originally developed by Olin to load 7.62x39 for the U.S. government in the '60s. Winchester-Western published a few loads for it in calibers like .25-20, .32-20, .22 Hornet and .218 Bee. It's awfully slow burning for .44 Magnum. .357 Maximum shooters seem to like it.

[maddog2020]

any one see any thing in the pdf file here thats a starting point for h108 or h116 for the calibers I shoot
http://www.freedomarms.com/loadingdata.pdf
41mag
357mag
38spcl
45acp

[Ricochet]

any one see any thing in the pdf file here thats a starting point for h108 or h116 for the calibers I shoot
http://www.freedomarms.com/loadingdata.pdf
41mag
357mag
38spcl
45acp
Neither would be a good choice for .38 Special or .45 ACP. Buy a can of Promo and use Red Dot data if you want to load those cheaply. (It'll work for mild to moderate loads in the Magnums, too.) For the .41 Mag and .357 in near full power loads, H108 would be a reasonable choice. AA#9 starting loads would be a good starting point. H116 is going to be very slow burning in those cartridges, and all you can fit in without compressing it too hard would be the appropriate load. I haven't looked at the Freedom Arms link.

[maddog2020]

well I have 16 lbs of each and don't want to throw any away

[maddog2020]

ok here is what I was given
H116 is WW680; H108 is WC820
so any load 5-10% reduced should be a starting point?
or is 108 so close to 110 that I should only reduce 3%?

[maddog2020]

I normally use h4227 or h110 in my 44mag
but all the shops around have none
and a cop friend gave me the 28 lbs of powder

[maddog2020]

would 2400 work in 45acp?
230 cast

[Ricochet]

2400 is awfully slow burning for the 45. It's a great magnum pistol powder.

For the 108, like I said, treat it like AA #9.

[maddog2020]

just my luck, got some other powders that probably won't work either
296
herco
imr 4227

not been much of handgun loader until this year

[Ricochet]

Man, you need a .44 Magnum! You've got all the perfect powders for it!

[maddog2020]

:) got two
454
357 and 3 45 acp's

[Ricochet]

Well, that .454 ought to work with a case full of the H-116.

H108 is great stuff in the .44 Magnum. WC820 in a pulldown batch equivalent to AA#9 is my main .44 powder.

Herco's usable in the .45 and .38.

[rbuck351]

I have used H116 in a rossi 454 and it is slow even for that. Put in as much as you can get in the case and have the boolit stay put. Velocity won't be great though. Using a Sierra 300gr J word, I got a little over 1600fps with a case full and a 20" barrel. H116 works very well in 25/20, 32/20, 22H, 30carb and 7.62x39 and the like. Probably would work to some degree in 223 and similar. Works ok in 44mag with Lee 310gr cast. I don't remember the load data but more or less a case full. I'm using it mostly in a couple of 25/20s. The 3 8# jugs I have should last a while at 12/13 grs per shot.

[jrgift]

H-116 I use for reduced loads with cast boolits seems to have a burning rate similar to 4198.Use it in 308 30 06 etc.

[dougader]

just my luck, got some other powders that probably won't work either
296
herco
imr 4227

not been much of handgun loader until this year

296 and imr 4227 are great powders for 44 mag and 41 mag. Herco works well in 45 auto. Similar to Unique, it used to be real popular in the early 70's in 9mm as well.

I load H108 in 45 Colt and 357 mag. The 2nd post here list loads for you for 357 and 44 mag. That's the same data sheet I got when I bought H108 from Powder Valley in about 2004. I used AA9 data to work up my 45 Colt loads.

[doubs43]

can't locate any data on these AA680/WW680/WC680?

They should all be the same as AA-1680 which, as already stated, was developed for the 7.62x39. IMO, it is too slow for the 44 Mag.

BUT, I've had excellent results with it in 7x57, 6.5x55, .303 British and other similar capacity cases using cast bullets. Try 19.5 - 21.5 grains & no filler.

[bearmn56]

I have some H108 that I have used with some success. However, I have done some experimenting and my lot of H108 looks and performs very close to Accurate 4100. I have had some problems with the Accurate 4100 and have been also very cautious with the H108. My problem has been a failure to ignite in very cold weather, even with a magnum primer with both powders. This was in a SRH 7.5" .44 Mag. I had severe pressure problems with h108 in the .357 mag. My lot of H108 and the Accurate 4100 that I have are extremely sensitive to magnum primers especially in the .357. Accurates 4100 data calls for CCI 500 primers in the .357 mag....BELIEVE THEM!! I used some Winchester Small Magnum pistol primers and had to drive the cases out of my S&W Mod 28 even using the lowest listed charges!!! On page 44 of the early Accurate manual with the red cover, they discuss the Winchester Small Magnum pistol primer and assert that this primer will raise pressures by 35%!!! BELIEVE THEM!! I test everything in the Smith before using it any where else...thank goodness. In any case, I switched to CCI 500 primers and pressures were normal thru out the suggested load range. I was very nervous after this and finally dumped about 5 pounds of the 4100 and 3 pounds of the H108 in the flower bed as fertilizer. I now use AA #9...standard primers and have gotten great consistent results, even in cold weather. However, for very cold weather in my hunting revolvers, I have switched to H4227 with CCI magnum primers. Unfortunately, H4227 has been discontinued and Hogdgons has replaced it with IMR 4227. I like the H4227 because it was one of H's "extreme" powders and gave very consistent results at all temps. Hope this helps.
Bearmn56
Montana Territory

[maddog2020]

I was reading the lee @2 manual and it showed #9 for 45acp , can anyone verify its good load or misprint? or me being chicken