interest in high-tin organ pipe?

[Ithaca1911]

I've got about 2k lbs of organ pipe available, but am hesitant to grab it unless I know I can move a lot of it to y'all (financial considerations).

my research indicates that these pipes are tin/lead with possible trace elements of cu and antimony

based on this, I calculated the SG of my samples, did some math, and what I have in hand is, per my calculations just under 40% tin. (38.5%)

just wondering if anyone here would be interested in this at about $3/lb (would have this professionally assayed for exact comp before selling)

[Bullshop]

I'll take more at the same price.

[kbstenberg]

I could use a few pounds

[Ajax]

i would be interested

[mold maker]

I'll take some.

[ph4570]

I am interested. Keep me in mind once you get it analyzed and start selling.

[dominicfortune00]

I'm interested in some, let me know when you're ready to sale some.

[Bert2368]

I am interested-

[Trifocals]

I'm interested! Please let me know when it's available.

[Cherokee]

I got a bunch locally a few years ago. I was told it was 50% Tin.

[Trey45]

I'd be interested in about 20-25 pounds.

[arcticbreeze]

I would take 25 lbs at that price.

[fredj338]

I would be in for 20-30#.

[Ricochet]

Sounds like a proper name for that alloy would be "solder."

[grages]

I be in for 25#'s @ $3 / lb

Shawn

[Echo]

I would be in for 20# @ $3 per...

[sargenv]

I too would be interested in at least 20 pounds, and if I could afford it, maybe a little more.. up to 25 pounds likely..

[Ithaca1911]

Sounds like a proper name for that alloy would be "solder."


I was thinking the same thing, but want to be up front and honest.
besides, people would wonder why I was selling solder, and it was showing up in ingots. :-)

[Three44s]

I think 20#'s would look good along with my other ingots!

Count me in pending your assay.

Three 44s

[David2011]

I'm interested as well; at least 20-25 lb.

David2011

[Grifter]

I am game for some. 20# or so.

[NuJudge]

Traditionally such were made of some Lead-Tin mixture, continuously cast on a stone table. I saw a TV program on it once. The people making the material for the pipes were not Metallurgists, but they seemed to be trying to convey that they tried to get their alloy at about the Eutectic.

Wikipedia says that the smallest pipes may be zinc. I don't want any of that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_pipe

Cast some bullets of the stuff. If the weights of the bullets says it's in the 50% Tin range, I'll take 100 pounds.

CDD

[Bullshop]

I tested a sample of this on a Cabintree tester and got one BHN off of pure tin.
Cant remember if it was bhn 10 for pure tin and bhn 9 for the organ pipe sample or was it 9 and 8. Either way it was close. I have not yet cast it.
BIC/BS

[Ithaca1911]

Traditionally such were made of some Lead-Tin mixture, continuously cast on a stone table. I saw a TV program on it once. The people making the material for the pipes were not Metallurgists, but they seemed to be trying to convey that they tried to get their alloy at about the Eutectic.

Wikipedia says that the smallest pipes may be zinc. I don't want any of that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_pipe

Cast some bullets of the stuff. If the weights of the bullets says it's in the 50% Tin range, I'll take 100 pounds.

CDD

y'all won't get zinc, I watch my temps really close, AND my buddy used to repair those old thangs, and claims the zinc pipes were "splotchy" lookin kindof galvanized. so nothin splotchy, temp watched really close, and we'll be good there.

the pipe i've got (sent some to bullshop too), I dropped a couple bullets from it, and did a SG test (it's in a post around here somewhere), my math said 38% tin give or take whatever my margin of error might have been.

[10mmJack]

I would be interested in a few pounds of that

[Ithaca1911]

alrighty.
the lead's in indiana, the guy who's getting it for me just had a new baby, so.... as soon as he's on the road again, I'll have it coming in, trying to get it all at once, so I can mix it all evenly and have tested but that'll only happen if he can wait for payment, since I'm broker than heck.

I do still have a bit in the garage, as soon as the last of this range scrap's taken care of I'll melt the bucket I have and list it, to help cover my costs getting this.

[Slow Elk 45/70]

Sure , I'm in let me know when you are ready to sell.....

[lcclower]

Put me down for 20#.

mailto:l.c.clower@gmail.com

[trooperdan]

I'll add my name to list.. if it is really tested and we know the tin percentage.

[sciguy]

Add me to the list!

I would go for 25 lbs if not more if its composition pans out.

Hugh

[Herb in Pa]

Also add me.........I'll take 20#

[kbstenberg]

I am a definate for 20 when % is known. All the other guyes decided to back out so put me first on the list. LOL
Kevin

[geargnasher]

XD, I have a friend from College (Brad) years ago who is now a professional Organ installer, and he might give you a better idea of what you have. Ask the person you're getting this stuff from if he knows of a person named Mike Quimby. I'll bet he does. Brad and Mr. Quimby have worked together on numerous projects.

PM me and give me a few days to get in touch with Brad and see what the straight dope is on pipe composition. From hearing him talk the alloy is pretty precise to get the proper timbre in the pipes, and I know they are made by hand by rolling flat stock and soldering the seam. A talent rare and worth a premium salary these days.

Gear

[Coastie]

I would like 25 pounds at that $3.00 price and %. If for some reason it doesn't make quite that % - please give me a call anyway.
Thank you,
Coastie

[gary0529]

I'm in for 25# assuming no zinc.

gary0529@wildblue.net

[HandLoad]

I would like to buy about 30# (whatever metal plus shipping makes $100)

This is provided the assay comes out with no zinc.

Please e-mail me when ready to ship.

[geargnasher]

Per pm I'm checking with my friend about the pipe composition, stay tuned...

Gear

[sargenv]

I'm still in for at least 20 pounds, depending on finances, maybe more.. :) Up to $100 worth shipped.

[R.C. Hatter]

Fire:Put me down for about 20-25 lbs. if it it is proven to be 38% tin and the balance lead per your analysis.

[Ithaca1911]

just an update, if all the i's get dotted and t's get crossed, will be picking up the pipe saturday, am having to coordinate with a third party, to get the money to buy it, so it's a little up in the air, but am working hard on it.

[sheepdog]

Fire:Put me down for about 20-25 lbs. if it it is proven to be 38% tin and the balance lead per your analysis.

Keep in mind the tone of the organ gets its sound from the thinkness, length, and alloy of the organ pipes. The thinner ones are high in tin than the bigger ones.

[jbrown]

I would be up for 20-30 lbs at $3, depending on composition (at least 30$ tin).

[Jayhem]

I'd also be on for at least 10 lbs. Will wait to see how this pans out.

[GMT210]

I'm in for 25-30# lbs at the $3/lb plus shipping. Any word on composition.

[Ithaca1911]

still working on getting this stuff.

it's mine, just have to transport.

this hasn't seen the x-ray gun yet, but SHOULD be a binary alloy of pb/sn (very small traces of other antimony and/or copper) my SG test came out to about 38% tin, but....... that was the quick, at home version, as soon as I get it all mixed, I'll get an x-ray gun on it, and determine EXACT composition. the $3/lb is assuming it's in the 40% tin range, with no appreciable amounts of contaminants.

[Ithaca1911]

alrighty, got the call. I'm picking this up tomorrow morning, hopefully will start the melting process tomorrow as well (weather permitting).

this will be my last update until it's all mixed up, and tested, will then post alloy here, with link to swap/sell thread.

for the record, I am open to a limited number of trades on this, once it's going.

I need 2-300 lbs of lino would swap this 2lino/1pipe (assuming tin content where it's supposed to be)

I need a whole list of top punches, and sizing dies for lyman 450, would make fair swaps.

also need bullplate , beeswax (and/or boolit lube)

the list may advance, but If you've got any of these things, and want pipe, set-em aside, and we'll talk when I update next.


c'ya all when I'm done with all this melting.

[johnly]

I've got about 2k lbs of organ pipe available, but am hesitant to grab it unless I know I can move a lot of it to y'all (financial considerations).

my research indicates that these pipes are tin/lead with possible trace elements of cu and antimony

based on this, I calculated the SG of my samples, did some math, and what I have in hand is, per my calculations just under 40% tin. (38.5%)

just wondering if anyone here would be interested in this at about $3/lb (would have this professionally assayed for exact comp before selling)

If you send me a small sample, I can perform the analysis.

John

[Jayhem]

If you send me a small sample, I can perform the analysis.

John

This! A 3rd party analysis would put all doubts aside! [smilie=w:

Not that we don't trust ya. :violin:

[Ithaca1911]

If you send me a small sample, I can perform the analysis.

John



PM me with your address.

what kind of equipment do you use?

love a 3'rd party doublecheck. I'm still gonna have the guys shoot it with their x-ray gun thingy. but if it would make people rest easier, and you have the equipment to do it, and ya can do it QUICK I'll send ya 10 lbs or so to test. you keep the sample for fee.

[leadman]

I might be interested in some, depending on testing results.

I was visiting family in Grand Rapids this summer, during August when it rained all the time.

[helg]

I could do the XRF analysis if I receive a sample till the end of this year. One drop is enough. With the paper, where the molten metal is dropped, it perfectly fits into the first class envelope.

PM me for an address if interested. I will post the results of the XRF next working day after receiving the sample.

[Changeling]

I would be interested in 20 or more pounds but I would like to see what it assays at before a commitment.

[Ithaca1911]

helg is being gracious enough to have this tested for me.

I have the first "half" in possession, when I got down there, the gentleman had not finished sorting all the "bad" pipe from the "good" pipe.

it was sorted based on physical qualities, and I will have test results for eight different alloys. once I get those, we'll see what they are, and figure out if you guys want them as-is, or if I should alloy to make 40% (pretty sure I've got some real low tin, real high tin, and pure pb)

it's all melted, and samples to be tested will be overnighted today or tomorrow (depending on when I get the lead packaged and mailed)

[kbstenberg]

Xd just wondering how you are going to send out packages of tin earliest?

[Ithaca1911]

Xd just wondering how you are going to send out packages of tin earliest?



samples are going in USPS overnight mail tomorrow, helg should be receiving christmas eve. he said I should have results next working day, so hopefully will be able to post sale thread, accept paypal, and ship by the 2'nd-3'rd of jan.

this is assuming that the alloys helg is testing for me are acceptable to y'all, and I don't have to melt/mix them. (I've got one that appears to be extremely high in tin, one that appears to be pure pb, and 6 different appearing alloys in between)

it's currently melted into separate batches of ingots, so if the alloys fall in acceptable range will be able to ship the day after test results arrive. if alloys too high/low in tin, will mix, then post sale.

[Ithaca1911]

I will be putting each batch on the scale, to ensure that I do not list more of each alloy than I have. listings should be up tomorrow, at which point I'll list these test results on the F/S thread, and link that thread to this and vice versa.

pricing for
#1 will be $3/lb
I need to determine competetive (fair) pricing for the weaker alloys, and the pure/near pure pb

this trip down I came back with approximately 800 lbs of lead/lead alloy in total, there is supposed to be some more being delivered at some point in the semi-near future. the lead was separated by physical appearance/texture, and melted in separate batches. test results for 9 samples(from the 9 different batches of lead) are shown below. note, the last test is the only one with zinc content, and was intended to, this will also be for sale, for those of you with high paying scrapyards, or interest for boolit experimentation/cannonballs.


courtesy of helg

"Summary of the XRF tests is below. In addition to numbers, it includes the URL to download all supporting documents for the tests with more details of the test results.

I believe that the alloy, which you plan to offer, is the sample #1. Mean content of the alloy is measured as 66.6%Pb-33.4%Sn with about +/- 2% of standard deviation from point to point. I could publish these numbers to your thread at the forum together with the supporting document Alloy1.doc, if you confirm that the #1 is the alloy that you plan to offer, the results look adequate, and the publishing is OK for you.

Merry Christmas!
--
helg

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#1: 67Pb-33Sn. These percentages corespond to so-called "eutectic Pb-Sn alloy"
#2: 81Pb-18Sn
#3: 99.2Pb, trace of Co and Ni
#4: 100Pb
#5: 99.9Pb, trace of Ni
#6: 98.6Pb-1.4Sn
#7: 100Pb
#8: 84Pb-16Sn
#9: .8Pb-1Sn, 98.2% Zn

Notes:
1. Percent measurement is by mass.

2. Trace amount detection is unreliable.

3. Supporting documents for samples with almost pure lead (##3,4,5,7)
are in a form of screenshot from an XRF machine.

4. Alloys (##1,2,6,8,9) have been measured each in
five points, making three measurement on each point. Supporting documents for
the alloys contain results of the 15 individual measurements and statistical summary
that includes mean value. The documents are in Microsoft Word format.

5. Each scan reflects alloy content in a circle of about .1mm diameter.
Depth of the scan varies for different
materials. Voltage used was 50 kV. For Pb it scans to about 10-15 microns deep.

6. Archive with all supporting documents (6Mb) is available at
http://helg.com/~helg/xd-40.xrf.20091225.zip
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[Ithaca1911]

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?p=758743#post758743

sale thread for what I've got now is here.