Glued on paperpatch.

[christian]

Hallo Guys.

-Trying my hand for the first time with PP.
Veral Smith of LBT,- as always(!), a Super help regarding our subject..

The subject-rifle is a .500 A-Square with a long throat.

Okay then,- if you will, share with me your thoughts/experiences with gluing on a SINGLE ordinary piece of paper!

-I plan on smearing with Lee liquid alox. -And size them in a Lee die-
Do I have a good chance of succes with the all the above ??!

Chr.

[montana_charlie]

Do I have a good chance of succes with the all the above ??!
What kind of glue do you plan to use?
CM

[pdawg_shooter]

Not a good idea. The patch MUST leave the bullet at the muzzle or accuracy will be real hard to get.

[docone31]

What does it slug at? That is important.
I might size it down, wrap, then size the wrap to .002 groove. Dish soap for first size, JPW for second size with wrap.
Snip the tail when sizeing the second time.

[RMulhern]

Glue??

Glue??
:holysheep:groner:[smilie=b::rolleyes:

[yeahbub]

Welcome, Christian!

Early in my patching adventures I briefly experimented with glued on patches of various description and got dismal results with them all - the only consistent thing about them. I have since settled on wrapped patches that are glued to themselves, a little dab of carpenters glue or Elmer's on the last .25-.50 of the wrap to hold it to itself because I no longer use twisted tails and something has to keep the patches wrapped. Regardless of the type of paper patch used, the universal necessity is that the patch must cleanly come away from the boolit. Some people have made claims of glued-on patches remaining intact on exit from the bore and giving great accuracy, but paper isn't tough enough to survive the blast of gasses when the boolit uncorks all that pressure. What's usually left is less than confetti. If bits of it are still hanging on, your accuracy will be out the window.

An excellent reference on the subject is Matthew's book "The Paper Jacket" which is a work of considerable thoroughness in which I've found nothing to contradict what my experiences have been.

YeahBub

[Kenny Wasserburger]

Yea Gods,

Wet patch let em dry on a hot plate use distilled water.

They shoot very well.

Forget the Glue.

KW
The Lunger

[RMulhern]

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b67/Sharps110/BPCR%20SHOOTING%20RELOADING/th_5e3dce51.jpg (http://s17.photobucket.com/albums/b67/Sharps110/BPCR%20SHOOTING%20RELOADING/?action=view&current=5e3dce51.flv)

[montana_charlie]

Rick,
Are you patching those bullets for use in a right...or left-hand twist rifling?

I think I may have been doing it backwards.
CM

BTW - this is your earlier patching video...which is closer to the camera. http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/b7FzCXLNKZ-Xk7MhycpGxA?authkey=Gv1sRgCJnk1r26467WTg&feat=directlink

[RMulhern]

Rick,
Are you patching those bullets for use in a right...or left-hand twist rifling?

I think I may have been doing it backwards.
CM

BTW - this is your earlier patching video...which is closer to the camera. http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/b7FzCXLNKZ-Xk7MhycpGxA?authkey=Gv1sRgCJnk1r26467WTg&feat=directlink

MC

Right hand ROT!!

If I patched opposite....the patch would have a tendency to unwind traveling up the bore!! I'm patching slowly here because I've got the camera on a bipod right off my right shoulder and one false move and I would have knocked it over!! I can usually patch about 50 or so in 45 minutes....minus any telephone calls!!

[303Guy]

A single wrap can be done and glue can be used to hold that single wrap onto the boolit, but ..... that glue must not under any circumstances adhere to the lead core in any way. There are glues that will hold the paper in place on the lead until fired but that do not adhere to the lead when dry and do not melt or otherwise contaminate the bore. The glue I used 'disappeared' once dry (soaked into the paper and left no discernable surface layer).

There are two ways of gluing a single wrap to the casting; firstly, apply glue to the paper and wrap it on with a neat end to end fit and let dry, and second, use a wet patch with a small overlap with a small bead of glue under the overlap. The balance the joint, one can glue a matching thin strip of paper on the under side of the patch before wrapping. However, if using an overlap technique then sizing must be done to iron the lap joint and its counterbalance into the lead core so the boolit will fit the neck and throat. This is a labour intensive method and serves little purpose other than to satisfy curiosity!

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo327/303Guy/MVC-087F-2.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo327/303Guy/MVC-102F.jpg

[longbow]

christian:

Are you saying one wrap of paper rather than the normal two wraps?

If so then glue is likely the only way to keep the patch on.

I think someone here posted about single wrap (.303guy?) with slight overlap and glue. Also here is a link where the fellow does this for muzzleloader boolits:

http://members.shaw.ca/bobschewe/

It seems to work for him with single wrap but if you are planning two wraps, it has been said above ~ forget the glue.

Longbow

Well, that answers that! It was .303guy. He posted while I was writing mine.

[SharpsShooter]

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b67/Sharps110/BPCR%20SHOOTING%20RELOADING/th_5e3dce51.jpg (http://s17.photobucket.com/albums/b67/Sharps110/BPCR%20SHOOTING%20RELOADING/?action=view&current=5e3dce51.flv)

Nice Video. I roll with my left also. Only thing I do differently is I just drop a few patches in a small bowl to wet them.


SS

[christian]

Hallo RMulhern.

Thanks for a FINE informative video-clip!

1. -You just "Line-up" by eyeballing,- don't you ?
2. -Some of you claimed "Use distilled water". -Okay,- but why ?
3. RMulhern,- you work nice and thorough.., -so what ACCURACY do you achieve for this
effort of yours ?

Chr.

[303Guy]

I found my pic of a single wrap patch without any overlap (so no sizing necessary) but can't find the pic of the fired boolit.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo327/303Guy/MVC-312F.jpg

The patch angle was chosen so as to align the start and end. This patch was glued onto the core using paper glue and came off at the muzzle, indicating that it might work (no range testing). This is not a difficult patching method - quite easy actually.


3. RMulhern,- you work nice and thorough.., -so what ACCURACY do you achieve for this effort of yours ?

I'm hoping RMulhern will post some pics of his target! (I love those pics!)