Any interest in a .......

[JSH]

30 caliber PB? I myself would like somthing from say 145 grains to 160 max. Any thoughts or ideas.I was thinking of maybe a PB Louverin style?
This was just a thought, as I have been wanting a 30 caliber PB to fool with and use on plinking loads. I have looked at some of the cowboy type moulds and I would be inclined to go to a more traditional type or style.
Jeff

[45 2.1]

The Lyman 311241 is about the best of the PB numbers in the thirty and is in the range you want. You interested in being Honcho?

[JSH]

I would be interested in trying. I think I could get enough experianced help to get through it. Will have to see what kind of interest this draws.
I was thinking somthing more in the way of the 311157 type grooves, and with a longer heel like the 311241.
Jeff

[45 2.1]

I'll see what I can come up with.

[45 2.1]

Something like you wanted?

[Catshooter]

Yes. I like the picture that 45 2.1 has posted. I'd buy one of those.


Cat

[JSH]

ESP?? You must have. I don't think I could describe what I wanted any better than what you came up with there.
I figured that the luverin style would work for those that wanted a TL type also.
Any of you have thoughts as to a diameter? I was thinking right around .311 myself as that would work in most anything I would use it in. I don't recall, but wre the Lee's dropping on the + side? If so I would say go with .311, if they are on the - side go to .312. I am sizing most all of my 30's at .310+ now.
As to weight, I would prefer on the lighter side, 145-150, but will still go to my max of 160 if most wanted heavy.
I am as ready as I will ever be to tackle this, so have at it fellows. What are your thoughts.
Jeff

Lordy lordy what have you gotten me into in this short amount of time Ken?

[45 2.1]

Here is a slightly shorter version that should weigh about 150 gr. We've been getting LEE molds that cast undersize for our specs, so I think 0.312" would be appropriate.

[sixgunner452]

I would like to see a 160 plus mold if at all possible, a PB bullet of 180 grains or more would be alot of fun in reduced loads. What does everyone else think? Randy.

[Bret4207]

We had a run of 6 banger "30 Plinkers" a couple years ago. Results so far have not been great, but no one has made many reports. I'll see if I can find the thread. It may be on Aimoo.

[C1PNR]

We had a run of 6 banger "30 Plinkers" a couple years ago. Results so far have not been great, but no one has made many reports. I'll see if I can find the thread. It may be on Aimoo.
Is this the one you were thinking of?

1463

[sixgunner452]

Can anyone please give a review on the 30 cal plinker. I am very interested what worked, and what did'nt. I am in need of a 30 al PB mold, Randy.

[JSH]

Well let me ask this question of you that might know. Would it be possible or advisable to do a lee 6 banger in two different bullets?
Jeff

[castalott]

Hi All!

I was in on the 30 TL plinker buy and did a very little testing with it. The first group showed some promise but all the groups after showed keyholing on target. I have since sold that rifle because of a muzzle distortion. ( The barrel was bored offcenter and the crown was ...let's say..'wrong'.

I am uncertain if the muzzle or the length of the bullet was the reason for it's 'wobble'. As I understand it, longer bullets ( equals heavier in this case) need to spin faster to stabilize. At the very low velocities I was shooting them, I don't think the bullets were stable. The few I talked to said the bullets shot ok at a higher velocity. But then a plain base will limit what that higher velocity is. Unless you have a fast twist barrel, you will have to be careful to not narrow the USUABLE velocity range of this slug. All engineers are welcome to correct me here....

I would be more interested in a lighter version...maybe 130 grains with 2/3's of it groove riding... and a bevel base for easier loading...

[j4570]

JSH,

Lee will not cut two different bullets in the same mold, far as I know.

[Slowpoke]

Can anyone please give a review on the 30 cal plinker. I am very interested what worked, and what did'nt. I am in need of a 30 al PB mold, Randy.

Can't help you on the GB plinker BUtttt

The RCBS 150 CB is a easy to cast and load bullet as is.

100 yrd accuracy out of two different ten twist barrels has been exceptional and easy with a modest amount of 820.

I think it would be TITS :) to have it in a Six cavity Lee. .310 -.312 on the bands .300.-301 on the nose . NO fuss just lube and load.

good luck

[JSH]

Hi All
I am uncertain if the muzzle or the length of the bullet was the reason for it's 'wobble'. As I understand it, longer bullets ( equals heavier in this case) need to spin faster to stabilize. At the very low velocities I was shooting them, I don't think the bullets were stable. The few I talked to said the bullets shot ok at a higher velocity. But then a plain base will limit what that higher velocity is. Unless you have a fast twist barrel, you will have to be careful to not narrow the USUABLE velocity range of this slug. All engineers are welcome to correct me here....

I would be more interested in a lighter version...maybe 130 grains with 2/3's of it groove riding... and a bevel base for easier loading...


The above was kind of my thoughts on the subject, other than the bevel base.
I have my ideas on a FB vs a BB style. I just don't like the idea or thought of gases wanting to try to go around the outside edge of my projectile.
Jeff

[sixgunner452]

Hey guys, do you think there is any hope of making this mold a reality. I'm in need of this mold.

[dragonrider]

Absolutely I want one, would also like one that would cast about .316 for my 303's.

[hiram]

What would the anticipated diameter of the bullet nose be between the first groove and where the ogive begins? I never shot or loaded a loverin design. I have very good results with the Lee 150.

[trk]

re: http://www.hunt101.com/img/406779.jpg

Just getting around to casting/loading it now. (OK, I've got some rifles that have waited 10 years for their turn too).

Report in a few weeks.

[Edward429451]

I might be interested. Depends on how the group spec fall out. 311-312 would be good, and a FP for use in LA rifles...

[sixgunner452]

Yes, I am with you on the 311'' to 312'' as cast bullet. Can't wait to hear the test results from the designer.

[JSH]

Ok here are some more of my thoughts and questions.
If we were to make this drop at .313 and to keep it useable in an average 30 caliber bore, should the lube grooves be made a little deeper? I guess what I am asking if the need to size it down, if advisable from you designer fellows, I don't want to run out of places for the lube. I don't want a TL type lube groove. The loverin type is about as small as I would want to go.
Should we mabe put a wider lube groove towards the base and loverin type above it, which in turn could be used for a crimp goove if need be? I don't know if the two different types of lube grooves would be advisable or not. I look to you with the knowledge and experiance for that.
Myself I want this as a do it all PB. So maybe a 150 would be better than what i had priginally thought. If I want to plink with it or if I would maybe want to deer hunt with it. It would work for both with a nice meplat and proper alloy.

I want my cake and eat it too on this one.
I have one other 30 caliber PB mold # slips my mine but it was designed for the 30 carbine, Lyman mould. Shoots well enough just drops a bit smaller than I would like. Also is a bit on the short side for where I like to seat my boolits. Alos 2 banger is so slooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwww.

Jeff

[45 2.1]

How about this one, 147 gr., 0.313" body, 0.302" nose. Sizing range 0.309" to 0.313".

[sixgunner452]

I am open to either TL type lube groove, or the Loverin type lube groove. I origionally requested the weight be in excess of 160 grains, now after all the discussion, maybe a bullet of about 150 grains sounds right. I just want something easy to load, preferably without sizing, dropping about 312''.

[JSH]

45 2.1 I think I could live with that myself. Any of you that may have input to the does and don't's to this I am all ears.
As to the size.312+ - .313, would that be doable for those that are interested in this so far?

May need to ask this in another catagory? How far down can one size a bullet before it causes a problem?
Jeff

[Catshooter]

Yea, I'd buy one of those. Matter of fact, I'd probably get four as I do have friends ya know.

[JSH]

Any one have any more thoughts or input on this?
Any more of you interested before I try to farm this thing out?
I would like to get all of the spcifics down before we go forward. So as to be able to direct folks with questions to all of the measurments and so forth.
Jeff

[garandsrus]

Jeff,

I would be interested in buying one...

John

[felix]

Center of gravity would be important. Gotta' keep the weight center towards the base. MIght make the boolit look stupid, but shoot mo'betta' if some mini grooves were below the maxi groove. ... felix

[JSH]

Thanks Felix.

45 2.1, ain't I just a PITA,lol. Think you can move the groove a bit? Use your own judgement, you have done a dandy job on the above.
Thinking about printing them off to have framed.
Jeff

[45 2.1]

Thanks Felix.

45 2.1, ain't I just a PITA,lol. Think you can move the groove a bit? Use your own judgement, you have done a dandy job on the above.
Thinking about printing them off to have framed.
Jeff

The big groove is where it belongs, it doesn't need moved at all.

[Bodydoc447]

That is a beautiful boolit! Sign me up for a 6 banger of that.

Doc

[JSH]

I am not much on the designs and reasonings behind such things. Never gave much thought to balancing one? I always figured the barrel twist would take care of such issues.
One instance of sillyness that I have always questioned the look of is the Lyman 311644. Somewhat of a semi borerider?

Lets leave it as is. As to the lube grooves, with the wider one towards the base, maybe leave the loverin types as they would be on a standard .312 bullet. I think that bottom lube groove would handle everything if that was all you lubed?

If you fellows are ready to take this on start throwing some numbers towards me.

How about for now

Handle
Zip Code
# of molds wanted

Jeff

[sixgunner452]

Put me down for one.

Sixgunner452
74108
1 ea

[Bodydoc447]

Bodydoc447
1 6-cavity mould
32127

[Catshooter]

Catshooter
98409
Four moulds.

[JSH]

Counting myself we have a total of eleven interested in this design. I believe that 25 is the magic number to wave set up fees?
So with that being said, I am going to post this at 3 other sites to see if it will gain interest and bump the head count, if that is OK by you fellows? I have already put it up at SP and here are sort of sister sites. Speaking of SP, there is one gent there that is interested in this so that brings us to 12, dang near half way there.
Jeff

[45nut]

If your counting me already we are good. This is a great idea. 150grs is a reasonable balance for about all of my needs. I may even know how to make one of my own rifles win at NCBS with this one.

[JSH]

Ken, nope hadn't heard anything out of you. Kind of small for you ain't it bud,lol. I was refering to Topper at SP. So if your inclined to have one that gets us past the 1/2 way point.
Jeff

[45 2.1]

What is and where is SP?

[JSH]

Specialty Pistols

[45 2.1]

Specialty Pistols

An address/link?

[45nut]

There is a button just under this post...actually just under the surplus rifle one next to the NRA one.

[45 2.1]

BTT

Come on guys, this will make an excellent same game and plinker.

[sixgunner452]

JSH stated "So with that being said, I am going to post this at 3 other sites to see if it will gain interest and bump the head count, if that is OK by you fellows? I have already put it up at SP and here are sort of sister sites.". Have we got any feedback from these other sites? I really want to get my hands on one of these molds. Randy.

[JSH]

I posted at SP, Accurate Reloading and the IHMSA site. I posted at those three because I know my way around them fairly well and they have a pretty good amount of activity. At AR there were only 20 views. SP didn't get much either and the IHMSA site dunno about that one.
If any of you gents want to throw it out there to places you frequent, go ahead, interest would help us out.

I have been totally happy with the custom 6 bangers I have gotten in the past here. I really want this one to fill in a niche, I have a feeling that I would use it more than I think once I got my hands on one. Yes, there are a few other similar molds out there for a PB, 2C is so slowww any more and a 4C is more than I would have in a 6C.
I would maybe even buy two so as to help out here or offer to late fellows.
Jeff

[sixgunner452]

Guys, do you think this group buy is going to take off? Or do you think we are going to have to pay the $100.00 set up fee because of the lack of numbers for the group? I would like to see this GB take off, Randy.

[porkchop bob]

I like the design shown in reply #25. Count me in for two moulds.

I almost did not make it to reply #25 as it seems like this was going to be a TL design. Consider making a new thread.

Thanks, Bob

[sixgunner452]

I like the looks of post 25 as well, are there any other takers. This GB needs a little moving along.

[KYCaster]

I'd be interested in the design in post #25, as well. I'm not interested in the TL designs.

Jerry

[Cayoot]

I like the looks of post 25 as well, are there any other takers. This GB needs a little moving along.

Count me in for one as well!:-D

[Pystis]

I´d be for one...

[ktw]

How about this one, 147 gr., 0.313" body, 0.302" nose. Sizing range 0.309" to 0.313".

I am interested in a plain based 30 as being discussed here. Something in the 125-150 gr range. My preference would be:
a) all tumble lube grooves
b) all regular lube grooves
c) combination of lube grooves (as shown in post 25).

Someone sell me on the advantages of the post #25 design. ;-)

-ktw

[alamogunr]

I'll defer to those with more knowledge and experience than I have and sign on for one like # 25. But only if this GB makes the 25 minimum. I'm going broke with all the good designs that are being put up. If 25 or more like a different design, I'll look at it and decide then. Thanks for all the effort being put into this.
John

[45 2.1]

Someone sell me on the advantages of the post #25 design. ;-)
-ktw

Kenneth-
You should write more often, miss your byline. As to selling you, just look at the crimp grooves locations you have (they're the micro grooves. You can lube (via lubrisizer or with LEE frog snot) or crimp in any place you want. It is a plinker for any of the 30 caliber rifles. Just how do want to fit it up?

[ktw]

Just how do want to fit it up?

If it doesn't need to be sized (310-ish) and I don't have to put a check on it, I would prefer to skip the lubrisizer step altogether and just tumble lube and load it. In that case all TL grooves would appear to be an advantage over just some TL grooves.

If it does need to be sized down significantly (from 312+) I'm concerned there may not be sufficient groove depth left to carry enough lube, regardless of how I choose to lube it.

I could be all wrong about this. In that case, tell me to quit spending time worry about it and go do something useful, like smelt wheel weights, clean the vent lines on my molds or honcho a group buy, instead. ;-)

Application for me would be small game/plinker in Win94 30-30.

-ktw (todd)

[45 2.1]

If it doesn't need to be sized (310-ish) and I don't have to put a check on it, I would prefer to skip the lubrisizer step altogether and just tumble lube and load it. In that case all TL grooves would appear to be an advantage over just some TL grooves.

If it does need to be sized down significantly (from 312+) I'm concerned there may not be sufficient groove depth left to carry enough lube, regardless of how I choose to lube it.

I could be all wrong about this. In that case, tell me to quit spending time worry about it and go do something useful, like smelt wheel weights, clean the vent lines on my molds or honcho a group buy, instead. ;-)

Application for me would be small game/plinker in Win94 30-30.

-ktw (todd)

Todd-
Sorry bout the name, but someone else uses those initials also. It is a plinker, don't worry about the lube capacity which is plenty. It is plenty even if you freechecked it to run faster (which I intend to do). Why don't you Honcho the group buy instead?

[ktw]

Why don't you Honcho the group buy instead?

;-)

I'll do one sooner or later. I'd like to complete my first group buy as a participant first.


-ktw

[Catshooter]

Well, I PMed with JSH and he says it'll be late summer or early fall before he can honcho this buy. *Sigh.*

Well, I want one these as shown in post #25 drawn by, of course 45 2.1

Shall we?

[Catshooter]

Well, I PMed with JSH and he says it'll be late summer or early fall before he can honcho this buy. *Sigh.*

Well, I want one these as shown in post #25 drawn by, of course 45 2.1

Shall we?

[Cayoot]

Geez! Guess I'll have to throw my hat in with this group also!

I want this mould.:drinks:

[LIMPINGJ]

I might as well get in in this one also.
Jim

[David R]

I want this boolit. I will be Da Hancho if yall want.

I'm gettin tired of steenkin gas checks for light loads. I have many uses for this one. Could be Tumble Lubed too if you want.

I will send it off when I have 24 checks plus mine.

Nice drawing (#25) 452.1. Your designs are awesome.

David

[charlie / sw mo]

ill take one of post nr. 25

charlie in sw mo

[sixgunner452]

You can count me in for one mold on this Group buy. Pleas PM me your adress so I can send you amoney order.

[45 2.1]

I want this boolit. I will be Da Hancho if yall want.

I'm gettin tired of steenkin gas checks for light loads. I have many uses for this one. Could be Tumble Lubed too if you want.

I will send it off when I have 24 checks plus mine.

Nice drawing (#25) 452.1. Your designs are awesome.

David

Post it and i'll attach the drawing tonight.

[PatMarlin]

Hmmmmmm..... :-D

[jlchucker]

45 2.1, I was unable to open the picture of this bullet in your attachment. Is this a flatnose design? I'm interested in a non-gascheck bullet to use in a 30-30 that I carry around in my pickup, for whatever purpose. Right now the lead bullets that I load for that caliber are the 311041 Lymans. I want to get away from gaschecks. None of the animals I'm likely to shoot would ever notice the difference in velocity.

[DaveD]

How about this one, 147 gr., 0.313" body, 0.302" nose. Sizing range 0.309" to 0.313".

I would go in on this one as well. :)

[DaveD]

Well now I see I am a bunch of days late on this. Never mind my post, anal cranial inversion. :???:

[45 2.1]

45 2.1, I was unable to open the picture of this bullet in your attachment. Is this a flatnose design? I'm interested in a non-gascheck bullet to use in a 30-30 that I carry around in my pickup, for whatever purpose. Right now the lead bullets that I load for that caliber are the 311041 Lymans. I want to get away from gaschecks. None of the animals I'm likely to shoot would ever notice the difference in velocity.

There are better boolits now than that one. See post number 2 in this thread, http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=12792, it has been shooting very well in several 8mms.
To open the picture you mentioned, assuming it's post #25: left click on the picture, maximize the screen, wait for the little box in the lower left to appear and click on it.

[tall grass]

DaveD

I've got one that I have never used. Would concider letting go of it. Let me know.

Jim

[DaveD]

Jim,
PM sent.

[DaveD]

45 2.1,

Are you saying this design, http://castboolits.gunloads.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1527&d=1148079101

is not as good as this design, http://castboolits.gunloads.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2969&d=1170260685

???

Thanks for clarifying.

:confused:

[45 2.1]

Are you saying this design, http://castboolits.gunloads.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1527&d=1148079101
Lee did a very poor job of cutting this one with some fairly serious defects. It is hard to tell if the boolit is a good shooter or not from those details alone.

is not as good as this design, http://castboolits.gunloads.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2969&d=1170260685
This being a later boolit in the long time wait period, Lee did a very good job cutting it. It performs very well in our tests of it. This is the one, morphed to 30 caliber and modified some of course, that would produce very good groups if it is cut right.

Difficult to judge accuracy between them do to the workmanship differences.

[DaveD]

DaveD

I've got one that I have never used. Would concider letting go of it. Let me know.

Jim

Jim,

Is this mold from the same group buy 45 2.1 is referring to? :(

[tall grass]

DaveD

No it isn't, it is from a group buy some time ago. I can't even find the thread on this group buy and isn't listed in Castpics. It was called, I think (which is dangerous with my memory) the 30 cal 160 grain plinker. It is a tumble lube with the plain base and a flat nose.

Sorry

Jim

PM sent

[DaveD]

Jim,

I replied to your PM.

Can anyone help us out with a link to the GB Jim is talking about?
:)

[C1PNR]

Jim,

I replied to your PM.

Can anyone help us out with a link to the GB Jim is talking about?
:)
I'm not sure where the GB thread is, but I think the drawing in post #11 on this thread is the one we're talking about.

I may be dead wrong, and hope someone can help out if that is the case.:???: