Need a littel advice , Win 94 AE 44mag

[fivegunner]

I just bought a Winchester 94AE Trapper in 44mag . it`s a nice looking gun . the question is what bullet works in these,? can I shoot the 44 Keith or is it to long? any advice would sure be welcome:D

[Wally]

I have the carbine version and the 429241 Keith bullet works well with it..with no feeding problems.

[Uncle R.]

I have a .44 magnum 94 carbine and use the RCBS 240 SWC. Cartridge length is critical for feeding and in order to crimp in the crimping groove I have to trim my brass .010" shorter than the book trim-to length. I keep the cartridge LOA at 1.662" and they feed well.
Uncle R.

[MtGun44]

I have the same carbine, 429421 feeds fine. NOT the case with my Browning 1892
carbine - intended for .44-40 and a bit short for the long Keith boolit.

Mine does very well with 10 gr Unique under the above boolit.

Bill

[rhead]

On mint the workable length is between the top crimp groove and the bottom crimp groove on the Lee 310 grain RNFP. It chambers and shoots fine in the bottom crimp groove but jams about two thirds of the time when seated long. I have seen others that will feed the flawlessly. Make up a few dummy rounds and see how they feed from the tube. ( A single round feeding from the magazine has been known to lie to me.

[Tony65x55]

I had the same gun and I loved it...BUT...310 gr Lee RNFP's flew sideways out the barrel. You could usually hit the paper at 25 yards but 50 was anyone's guess. 240 gr SWC's shot ok but I wanted to use the heavy bullets so I sold it. Been half looking to replace it ever since.

[jlchucker]

The AE trapper 44 mag has been my truck gun since the 1980's. The best boolet I've found to use has been the Lyman 429215 GC. This isn't as heavy as the previous boolets described by others, but it feeds well, is accurate out to 100 measured yards, and doesn't bounce off deer. Plus, out of that light little carbine, it's pretty easy on the shoulder. This is an often overlooked boolet, probably because lots of 44 shooters want something heavier than 215 grains, but for those of us that use it, we're pleasantly surprised. If I want to bang away with a heavier boolet I'll use my EMF Hartford 44 mag rifle, or use my 45-70 Marlin.

[725]

The Lee 240 gr .44 won't feed well. At least it hasn't for me.

[NickSS]

I have the same rifle for a bunch of years and still use it extensively but it has been replaced as my truck gun by a similar rifle in 30-30. I used this carbine mostly as a camp gun and plinker so never played with any slugs heavier than 240 gr. My most used bullet is a 200 gr lee flat point behind 10 gr of Unique. Not hard on the shoulder but plenty for my neads as far as power goes. What I wanted was to duplicate a 44-40 load and this does it but a little better.

[Ekalb2000]

Lee 310gr under 14gr of 2400 is an outstanding combo in my Win94. I posted my results here http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=67165

[244ack]

For the last 10 years I have been using the Lyman 429421 and the 429244 in my 94 win and they feed perfect and great accuracy. Load is 19 gr of 2400 and they clock 1685 fps. This is out of a 24 inch barrel. Works great on deer and caribou.
19 gr of H110 and the Lee 310 gr is another great load. The 240 grain Lee would not feed in my rifle for some reason.

[Wally]

For the last 10 years I have been using the Lyman 429421 and the 429244 in my 94 win and they feed perfect and great accuracy. Load is 19 gr of 2400 and they clock 1685 fps. This is out of a 24 inch barrel. Works great on deer and caribou.
19 gr of H110 and the Lee 310 gr is another great load. The 240 grain Lee would not feed in my rifle for some reason.

I shot mine last weekend using the 429244 with 11.5 grains of Unique...obtained 1,450 FPS Avg MV...very accurate. That is 235 FPS less than the 2400 loading, but the bullet slows down quickly at higher velocities anyway--at 150 yards and more the difference in velocity is minumal.

Also used a Lyman 275 RNF-GC bullet with 11.0 grains of Unique for 1,350 FPS....it worked nicely as well.

[Tony65x55]

Wow, after reading a number of you had good luck with the Lee 310 my theory about under-stabilized goes right out the window. I sized it to .431 and you could clearly see the bullet going sideways on a 25 yd paper. Any ideas? I really liked that little rifle.

[Ekalb2000]

Tony,
Did you slug your brl?
I do not size my boolits. They are 433. My 94 slugs at 432. No gas checks either, ever.
Again, here is what worked for me. http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=67165
I just loaded up another 100 rounds today. 10 rounds at 15gr of 2400. I want to see what they will do at 200yrds.

[Bula]

Ekalb200, How'd those 13 and 14 gr 2400 loads feel? I have an 1894 waiting on a test batch of them but mine are sized to .432, seated short into the cannelure, and gas checked. Lee stated max load was 13.5g, but my drops were all right at 13.2g, what should we expect velocity wise?

[Ekalb2000]

They felt like shooting a light carbine. I could tell they were .44. But I shot over 50 in about 2 hours. Less recoil felt in the SBH with the same loads.
No gas check on mine. The brl had a few grains of powder. sent a wet patch down it and then a dry one, clean as a whistle.
Dont have a crono yet, but im guessing under 1100fps out the 94.

[webbertelli]

Hello from England. Ive used the 310g lee bullet with a gas check sized to .429 in my 94 trapper. With some high end loads using between 15.5 and 17 grains of accurate No9 it shoots beautifully. (No9 is much cheaper than 2400 in the UK) It kicks like a rhino but thats half the fun of it. Ive tried it out to 100 yds and it groups well, but its difficult to get enough adjustment on my scope to cope with the amount of elevation required to get it to shoot at point of aim. It was shooting about 2 feet low but the groups were really good. I dont hunt but I would imagine that a 310g flat nosed bullet at about 1400 fps would be enough to stop almost anything you are likely to see in the US.

[Tony65x55]

Tony,
Did you slug your brl?
I do not size my boolits. They are 433. My 94 slugs at 432. No gas checks either, ever.
Again, here is what worked for me. http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=67165
I just loaded up another 100 rounds today. 10 rounds at 15gr of 2400. I want to see what they will do at 200yrds.

Thanks for the advice Eka. No, I didn't slug the barrel. I figured at .431 I had it covered even if it was slightly oversize. BTW, when I use this boolit in my .444's I don't gas check them until velocities go over 1700 fps. With my low velocity practice load I have never had leading and accuracy is one hole at 50 yds.

[19112TAP]

I have had one for several years now and I use a 325 gr Beartooth GC sized to .432 and they group very well @ 50 yds with open sights recoil is a little stiff, I'm in hopes of taking a deer with it hear in a few days when our season opens.

[Cahaba Scout]

my Win 94 AE .44mag likes Leadhead's PM 44 250 gr. "Keith" bullet, esp. with Western
(formerly A A) 5744 powder; also Lyman's #429667 RNFP (cast soft - 255 gr., SPG lube) with black powder or 5744.