Lyman 410610 which check?

[JudgeBAC]

Which check should be used on this boolit? .41 Lyman thin checks do not fit. Unfortunately, these are the only .41 checks I have. Should I be using .416 checks?
Thanks.

[Blammer]

the Gator 416's should work.

what is the problem? not crimping on due to the check being too 'thin'?


incoming PM.

[JudgeBAC]

Blammer: The gas check shank is .400 which must be larger than normal.

[felix]

I think 395 is max for lyman check, or gator's lyman, to fit. ... felix

[JudgeBAC]

Any ideas on a check that would fit?

[Guesser]

I have a 410610 that will not accept a 416 check, it is a used single cavity, don't know how old. My newer double cavity works with the 416 so I had a machinist friend cut the heel out to a plain base design, works well.

[TDC]

The .41 gas checks have always seemed to be a challenge. I have a Lyman 410459 and when I attempt to install Lyman gas checks I have to flair each check to make it fit. It's too small for their own mould! A real PITA....

I think I'd send a bullet example to Gator or Blammer (better ask first) and ask them to recommend the best fitting check for your boolit. The checks even seem to differ by manufacturer for the .41.

TDC

[beagle]

I was thinking my 410459's a PB. Did you kick the numbers some way when you posted?/beagle


The .41 gas checks have always seemed to be a challenge. I have a Lyman 410459 and when I attempt to install Lyman gas checks I have to flair each check to make it fit. It's too small for their own mould! A real PITA....

I think I'd send a bullet example to Gator or Blammer (better ask first) and ask them to recommend the best fitting check for your boolit. The checks even seem to differ by manufacturer for the .41.

TDC

[TDC]

I was thinking my 410459's a PB. Did you kick the numbers some way when you posted?/beagle

Oops! You're right...

That will teach me to proof read my posts. I was thinking 410610 and wrote 410459. I have both... The ironic thing is the 410610 being discussed is the very same mould model I bought from you, Beagle...:) The gas check seems to be a universal problem for this mould and I believe what I recommended is the best solution..

TDC

[Blammer]

I'm sending some sample 416's to judge to see if they fit.

[beagle]

You know, I cast some from that mould and shot it. Not many as I don't shoot GC'd pistol bullets as in my opinion, it's a waste of money and in the few that I shot, I didn't have problems that I recall but that's been years and is the same lot of checks.

Of course, if they're loose, I'll aneal the checks and put a slight crimp in them with a pair of forcepts and if they're tight, I'll open the check with the head of a bolt in a modified M die that I have and move on.

I can see that it would be a PITA doing a lot of them though. Hope you find one that will fit like it should easily./beagle

[Jon K]

Call Larry about the Gator check, he makes 3 different sizes of .41 check.

Jon

[TDC]

JudgeBAC and Blammer....

Please let me know if this Gator 416 size works well for you. I haven't tried it and it may be the solution...

Thanks!!

[jr545]

Anyone get to the bottom of this?
I have the 410610 , did gator have a check that fit?

[JudgeBAC]

416 check is too big and thick. The old Lyman .41 thin check is the only one I have found that works.

[rbuck351]

I have been using the lyman checks on my 410610 and they work fine.

[TDC]

I have been using the lyman checks on my 410610 and they work fine.

Amazing! The Lyman's are the checks I have and they aren't even close without widening them with a stove bolt.... An obvious inconsistency with either Lyman molds or their gas checks.

I wouldn't purchase any gas checks for this caliber that weren't fitted physically to determine the cast boolit size of my particular Lyman mold..

I had hoped Larry or Blammer might have the solution..

[Lloyd Smale]

I used to have one lyman mold and it forgot which it was that would take a 44 hornady check just fine and even crimp it on.

[runfiverun]

i put a bit of a flair on the gators they then go on fine,just a bump.
i use the 410610 also.
i think i am gonna check all of the ones i have checks for, and send the mold to buckshot to de-check the mold and pick up a bit of weight.

[Wally]

I boought a Freechex .44 caliber tool to make my own for .44 Caliber using .011" Aluminum flashing---as luck would have it they also work with the Lyman 410610 cast bullet. Seems that my bullet mold has a gas check shank that is close enough to one on a .44 caliber bullet. When I size/lube with my Lyman 450 tool they fit nice and tightly on the bullet base and look purty too! I now use this bullet exclusively in my Model 57..no more plain base bullets...the bore is always nice and clean now!

If you shoot a lot of 410610 bullets you would be wise to make your own gas checks...

[jr545]

I boought a Freechex .44 caliber tool to make my own for .44 Caliber using .011" Aluminum flashing---as luck would have it they also work with the Lyman 410610 cast bullet. Seems that my bullet mold has a gas check shank that is close enough to one on a .44 caliber bullet. When I size/lube with my Lyman 450 tool they fit nice and tightly on the bullet base and look purty too! I now use this bullet exclusively in my Model 57..no more plain base bullets...the bore is always nice and clean now!

If you shoot a lot of 410610 bullets you would be wise to make your own gas checks...

I'd love to try that Wally but I can't seem to find the freechex tool anywhere.
I'm about to wash my hands of all my checked bullets, I'm sick of paying the price and having to fiddle fart with the ones I can my hands on to fit. I love the benefit of the checks, I just wonder if it is worth it sometimes....

[Wally]

I for one seldom used them as they were a PITA to seat squarely and the cost was just too much. Last fall I purchased a no. of Freexchex tools..using the .38 & the .44 Calibers I shot accurately and it was just a joy beyond belief that my barrels were clean and foul free. Looking at well cast, cast bullets, teh bases have to have a profound effect on their accuracy. Uisng the gas chack bullets I know they are the best I can get (I'd never think about using factory jacketed bullets). My Ruger Blackhawk SS .357 is a horrible leader and I will not fool with fire lapping as I am afarid what might happen--using the aluminum gas checks with a 160 dran SWC bullet at 1,300, it is accurate and there is no fouling---I am a happy camper.

The Freechex tools are hard to find as so many want them--there must be a reason that they do. Just cehck E-bay every day--look up under FREECHEX, after a short time you will see them..that's what i did.

[jr545]

I for one seldom used them as they were a PITA to seat squarely and the cost was just too much. Last fall I purchased a no. of Freexchex tools..using the .38 & the .44 Calibers I shot accurately and it was just a joy beyond belief that my barrels were clean and foul free. Looking at well cast, cast bullets, teh bases have to have a profound effect on their accuracy. Uisng the gas chack bullets I know they are the best I can get (I'd never think about using factory jacketed bullets). My Ruger Blackhawk SS .357 is a horrible leader and I will not fool with fire lapping as I am afarid what might happen--using the aluminum gas checks with a 160 dran SWC bullet at 1,300, it is accurate and there is no fouling---I am a happy camper.

The Freechex tools are hard to find as so many want them--there must be a reason that they do. Just cehck E-bay every day--look up under FREECHEX, after a short time you will see them..that's what i did.

Thanks for the help.
Sounds like your 357BH and my 41BH share the same malady. I do love my BH and SBH's tho...

[leadman]

I have the 410610 Lyman mold and also a Saeco 220gr. Tc mold. I use Gator checks for both. The bag from Gator is marked "for Lyman molds". The inside diameter is .396", work fine.

[jr545]

Ordered some 41 thins from Blammer as the Freechex tools are going for premium prices on egay with a few that turned into bidding wars @ $100+:veryconfu
I'll report fit when they arrive.

[barefooter175]

Contact info for those who might help with this problem???? I just got a 410610 and Lyman checks. I need to be prepared if that combo does not work.

James

[jr545]

I ordered 2K of the Lyman 41 Gator checks from Blammer and they work fine.

[Reddog177]

Blammer,
I tried to contact you by PM but it seemed to go off in space, somewhere? It was concerning Lyman mould # 410610. Here's the text of it:
Blammer,
I have the above .41 mould and .416 Hornady gas checks and they won't fit. I can't seem to find any Lyman .41 checks to buy? How much for a thousand of your copper .41 Gator checks including shipping to 67514? Are the aluminum the same price? My mould has a .397" shank. You can reply to dickfors177@yahoo.com , if you like.
Thanks, Dick

[Blammer]

PM's replied to.

[9.3X62AL]

I just acquired a used and abused #410610, so I might be in need of some 41 checks beyond the black/gray box Lyman partial box I've had laying around for about a decade. After a few other projects get cleared off the bench, I'll be tackling this mould and its several challenges, to include a much-divoted sprue plate and mould block top with at least one divot intersecting a cavity base. One of the cavities might be usable. The things people do to moulds just amazes me at times.