30.30 and h4831

[redriverhunter]

I was wondering if i could load a cast bullet with h 4831 in a 30.30 wcf. I have used it with 170 gn jacketed bullets and got good groups (load data from speers #13). The lee manul second edition on page 414 has 170 grain bullet it does not say weather it is jacketed or cast has a load of 35.0 to 38.0 of h 4831. the bullet i am intending on using is a lee mold 170 grain with gas check.
thanks.

[1Shirt]

Have shot a bunch of 4831 surplus in 30-30, can't remember the exact load, but it was pretty much a casefull under 311291.

1Shirt!:coffeecom

[Leftoverdj]

You can't get enough H4831 into a .30-30 case to hurt anything with a 170 grain bullet.

[Shiloh]

You can't get enough H4831 into a .30-30 case to hurt anything with a 170 grain bullet.

That would have been my conclusion. It's pretty slow.

SHiloh

[oksmle]

Lyman #311291 @ 181.0 grs in WW with 33.0 grs of H4831 gives right at 1825 fps out of my Springfield 840's 18" bolt action carbine & is very accurate.
Lyman #311041 @ 172.0 grs in WW with the same load & firearm gets a hair better at 1860 fps. It is even more accurate.
Lyman #311284FP @ 205.0 grs with the same load gets 1790 fps & is the most accurate of the three. To work through the magazine the point of this boolit has to be flattened about
.22", & even with the flattened point the GC is still below the case neck. All three loads have
taken deer. All three were originally developed in a '94 Winchester & work just fine.

[redriverhunter]

thanks for the replies always good to make sure thanks again

[Trifocals]

Dittos on all the replies. 4831 to the base of the bullet. The only thing I can add is to use a magnum primer. 4831 can be a bit hard to ignite in cold weather. I also suggest you might want to try 4831SC. The shorter granules flow better from a powder measure, plus you may be able to get a tad more in the case.

[Bret4207]

http://www.hodgdon.com/basic-manual-inquiry.html

That's a link to Hogdons online manual.

[BruceB]

This is a very timely thread, as I've been striking out madly in all directions with my "new" (1952) Model 64 Winchester in .32 Special. I bought the rifle last Friday, began loading for it on Saturday, and have pushed 440 rounds down the tube to date. I've used H335, 2400, H4895, AA5744, and just yesterday and today, thanks to this thread, IMR4831 and IMR4350.

The rifle is very touchy as to charge weight, with one additional grain of powder raising the POI as much as two inches at 50 yards. Groups (all 10-rounders) have been uninspiring...UNTIL I started using 4350/4831.

Today I identified a load that's "good enough" for the present, while I do further experiments. That load is 30.5 grains of IMR 4350, which put seven rounds into the fabled "ragged hole" and the remaining three rounds opening the group to a total span of 1.4" at 50 yards. Speed is just under 1700 fps with the RCBS 32-170 and CCI 200 primer.

Having fired 440 rounds since de-coppering the bore on Saturday, today I took a hard look at the bore. It appears brilliantly shiny from end to end, with a nice lube star on the muzzle and the bore surface looking absolutely black in bright sunlight.

The mojo, she's a-working...

(It's quite proper to discuss the .32 on a .30-30 thread, because the two are virtually identical.)

[StarMetal]

This is a very timely thread, as I've been striking out madly in all directions with my "new" (1952) Model 64 Winchester in .32 Special. I bought the rifle last Friday, began loading for it on Saturday, and have pushed 440 rounds down the tube to date. I've used H335, 2400, H4895, AA5744, and just yesterday and today, thanks to this thread, IMR4831 and IMR4350.

The rifle is very touchy as to charge weight, with one additional grain of powder raising the POI as much as two inches at 50 yards. Groups (all 10-rounders) have been uninspiring...UNTIL I started using 4350/4831.

Today I identified a load that's "good enough" for the present, while I do further experiments. That load is 30.5 grains of IMR 4350, which put seven rounds into the fabled "ragged hole" and the remaining three rounds opening the group to a total span of 1.4" at 50 yards. Speed is just under 1700 fps with the RCBS 32-170 and CCI 200 primer.

Having fired 440 rounds since de-coppering the bore on Saturday, today I took a hard look at the bore. It appears brilliantly shiny from end to end, with a nice lube star on the muzzle and the bore surface looking absolutely black in bright sunlight.

The mojo, she's a-working...

(It's quite proper to discuss the .32 on a .30-30 thread, because the two are virtually identical.)

Bruce,

I know you have the RCBS mould as you just mentioned it, but do you by chance have the Lee 8mm mould? If so give those a try in your 32. I have the Lee mould and that's what I have been shooting in my rifle. Mine isn't as sensitive to powder weight and my rifle seems to like 4895. I don't have any 4831 one hand, but I'm certainly going to give it a try.

Joe

[oksmle]

BruceB .... Several years ago a friend asked me to work up a load for for his .32 WS using his cast boolits & IMR4350. It was an Old West mold (I don't remember the number) of 195 grs, & I finally settled on 34.0 grs of 4350 that chronographed at 1871 fps. I'm looking at a target dated 12/30/02 with five rounds in about a 2" group at 75 yds. This was the Old West mold with 33.0 grs. Another target fired the same day & same distance but with 34.0 grs has five rounds almost touching. You might try bumping up your load another full grain to see what happens.

[BruceB]

"You might try bumping up your load another full grain to see what happens."-oksmle

On Tuesday, my load series ran from 31.0 IMR4350 to 34.0 4350 in one-grain increments, as well as another series using IMR4831. It seemed that the 4350 groups were more promising, so I loaded a new series using 4350 for trials on Wednesday.

This series started at 29.0 grains and ran to 32.0 in one-grain increments. The 30.0 and 31.0 loads were clearly better than anything else, with 31.0 showing a VERY tight group of seven with a couple of un-called wider impacts. 30.0 gave a slightly-looser main group but without the flyers. Sooo...I compromised and loaded fifty rounds of 30.5 grains/4350 for giggles and plinking. We'll see how it goes. NVCurmudgeon is driving over from the Reno area today (en route right now) to help me empty these cases. He "helped" me buy the rifle, so it seems fitting that he should "help" me shoot it. I expect we'll do some other shooting, too.

After chasing a changing point-of-impact all over the targets with each load alteration, it was kinda neat to see my group form right in the x-ring of the 25-yard 'pistol center' that I use for 50-yard iron-sight work.

Thanks for the input!

[Shuz]

My favorite .30-30 load for my Marlin 336 is a Lyman 311291HP or solid, and 34g of H-4831Velocity is 1818fps with an SD of 9. Accuracy is around 1-1/2" at 100 yds.