does a rem.700 30-06 count as military ?

[buckweet]

i've had this rifle many years. reliable as a boat anchor.

hits where i point it.

was given to me in 1976'
ya, im old.


seen pictures of 700's in vietnam,

so can this rifle be included in the military forums ?

mine is a 700 ADL.

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[Bob S]

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Resp'y,
Bob S.

[buckweet]

yes, i do belive it does. :)



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[buckweet]

very nice looking rifle you have there.




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[mike in co]

i've had this rifle many years. reliable as a boat anchor.

hits where i point it.

was given to me in 1976'
ya, im old.


seen pictures of 700's in vietnam,

so can this rifle be included in the military forums ?

mine is a 700 ADL.

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SOUNDS LIKE A FACTORY(forum) rifle to me

[Jim]

The 700s were indeed used in 'nam, but they were not manufactured under government contract as a military rifle. They are classified as "factory".

[StarMetal]

The 700s were indeed used in 'nam, but they were not manufactured under government contract as a military rifle. They are classified as "factory".

Yeah but it was found out the factory rifle had shortcoming such as the wood stock so eventually the Marine armorers built them to their specifications like adding a McMillan fiberglass stock. They gave the factory rifle a military designation too, the M40 and then when the Marines redone it wasn't it called the M40A1? Now maybe if you had one of those it could kind of qualify for a military rifle wouldn't you say?

Joe

[buckweet]

ok,,,thanks ,



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[-06]

Buckweet, newbies do not know where this comes from-lol. Picked up a 1917 Enfield style Remington in '06 a couple yrs back. Some say that Sgt. York used it instead of the '03 and griped about it because he wanted to use "American" style '03s. What ever he used he did well with it. wc

[Jack Stanley]

Years ago I had a seven hundred that was a contract over run . Metal was parkerized , walnut was oil finished , chambered in .308 . It shot great no matter what ya fed it .

Jack

[danski26]

I believe Vietnem era Marine Corp used Winchester model 70's. The current issue bolt gun M40 is a 700.....currrent as of 1998 that is :-)

[NickSS]

Actually the Marines use both the Model 70 in 30-06 usually with a Unertal 8X scope and later bull barrel Model 700s in 308 as sniper rifles. The Model 70 were bought right off the shelf in the PX the 700 where contracted from Remington. Later the wood stocks were changed to fiberglass and the Marines adopted a Redfield 3X9 variable scope. In more recent years the Marines adopted the M 40 which is a refined version of the Vietnam era Model 700 sniper rifles with much better scopes and much better stocks and beading.

[JIMinPHX]

I used to have a 700 ADL in 06. I never should have sold it. It was probably the best shooting rifle I ever owned.

The Marine snipers did use 700's, so some of the ones out there are military rifles. Mine was a civi though.

[danski26]

Thanks for the correction Nick. The glass on the m40a1 that the STA platoon guy assigned to my company was a fixed power Schmidt & Bender. If I remember right it was 14X.

[nicholst55]

The Marines are up to the M40A3 and A5 now. I haven't heard anything about the A4 model, though... They're getting almost too heavy to lug around now - at least for old, fat guys like me!

[KCSO]

Bob S

I am drooling! The nicest 720 I have ever seen.

[Bob S]

It's the first one that I won, 1987 Interservice 1000 Yard Match. The second one was the following year, but I turned right around and sold that one for $2200. They are going for $3000-$4000 these days.

Resp'y,
Bob S.

[wiljen]

I think we use the military rifle forum to discuss guns that were made in quantity at govt arsenals around the world. While it is arguable that some Model 700s were pressed into service at times, none were built at govt arsenals (Reworked yes, built no) and none were meant to be a front line service weapon issued to the average soldier. I think they fit nicely into factory guns just as my Remington 521T trainer does even though it was used by the US Govt.

The other thing to point out here is that both the model 70s and 700s that were used or modified and used for sniper rifles in Vietnam were in .308 not 30-06.

[Bob S]

The other thing to point out here is that both the model 70s and 700s that were used or modified and used for sniper rifles in Vietnam were in .308 not 30-06.

The Remingtons were 7.62x51. All of the Winchester Model 70's that I saw over there were cal. 30 (30-06); not .308 or 7.62.

Resp'y,
Bob S.

[wiljen]

I stand corrected, thanks Bob.

[oldhickory]

I saw M700s and one M70s with walnut stocks being used in Vietnam, (the M70 was an "Army Match" rifle. Far as I'm concerned they are military, even if they did come from the P.X.

I think for the past 20-30yrs the Marine Corps just buys the M700 short actions from Remington and builds the rifles in their Armories. I'm not sure who's barrels they use, but they're a 1:11 twist, 25" long with McMillian stocks and J. Unertel 10X scopes.

I built one about 10yrs ago using an M700 short action from a shot-out 6mm varment model using a 25" ss Hart #7 bbl with a 1:11 twist. Couldn't buy a McMillian stock at the time, so I used a Summit Technologies kevlar along with a Shepherd PS2 scope...It shoots!

[stephen perry]

My Rem 600 Pindell prepared action with Krieger 1-9 twist McMillan stock in 6x47 Lapua Leupold 36X Jewell trigger will kill anything that walks or hides from 600 M to wherever they lurk.

Stephen Perry
Angeles BR :brokenima

[Four Fingers of Death]

Buckweet, newbies do not know where this comes from-lol. Picked up a 1917 Enfield style Remington in '06 a couple yrs back. Some say that Sgt. York used it instead of the '03 and griped about it because he wanted to use "American" style '03s. What ever he used he did well with it. wc


I love the old M17s and have several Remingtons and som Eddystones which have been converted to range and sporting rifles (still looking for a Winchester).

I have always been under the impression that Sgt York's regiment were issued Eddystone M17s, but York preferred the Springfield for running shots which predominated. Because he was a sharpshooter and clocking up a fearful toll, he was issued a Springer and also carried a 1911. I covered my bets and have a Springer as well (well a Remington 03 anyway).

One could argue for a lot of rifles as being military, the Germans used a lot of civilian hunting rifles as sniper weapons and in the Infantry Museum at Singleton Army Camp, there is a 92 Winchester in 32/20 which was a General's rifle and was borrowed every night and took out a lot of Turkish soldiers.

[Nora]

I would think that to actually be counted as a military rifle (at least for US military) it would come down to, does it have an NSN? (national stock number) It wouldn't matter if the nomenclature was "rifle, bolt action, civilian, hunting". Kind of along the lines that an H2 HUMMER is not a military vehicle. Even if it were bought in volume as a "Local Purchase" by a brigade before deployment to increase available vehicles.

my .02

Nora

[stubshaft]

I would think that to actually be counted as a military rifle (at least for US military) it would come down to, does it have an NSN? (national stock number) It wouldn't matter if the nomenclature was "rifle, bolt action, civilian, hunting". Kind of along the lines that an H2 HUMMER is not a military vehicle. Even if it were bought in volume as a "Local Purchase" by a brigade before deployment to increase available vehicles.

my .02

Nora

I agree. It is like the Win M1895. It was a military issued weapon BUT not all were military. There was a large contingent of civilian rifles made. The basic difference is what was stamped on the gun. In every theater of war civilian weapons made it to the front. My Dad carried a Mdl 19 S&W. This did not make it a military weapon.