6-Cavity Lee TLC460-350-RF

[Ranch Dog]

Bullet: TLC460-350-RF. Mold based on Ranch Dog's TLC460-425-RF but dropping a 350-grain Round-Flat (72% Meplat), gas checked bullet. Overall length of the bullet will be .87" and the Micro-Bands will be reduced to four. Spacing of the bands will remain .05" but bearing surface between the bands will change to .02".

Mold Type: Lee Precision aluminum block Six-cavity mold. Mold does not includes handles.

Target Firearms: Marlin 1895 series chambered in 45-70 and 450 Marlin with Micro-Groove or Ballard barrels.

Buy Closes: May 15, 2006. This will be funds in my P. O. Box on this date. I will mail the order after I open my P. O. Box. This buy is not limited to shipping in the USA. I don't mind taking the time to get the mold to Canada or other locations. Shipping will vary for interest outside the USA.

Buyers:
Look for my latest post towards bottom of thread for the current list of buyers.

Cost: $50 for each mold plus $6 for shipping.

Funds:
Your personal check is fine or whatever is easy for you. Send cash at your own risk (I prefer not to recieve it that way). Buyers from outside the US, send US funds. I will hold all funds until the buy closes with 25 orders and then deposit them after my check is enroute to Lee Precision. Please include your forum name with your payment.

My Mailing Address:
Michael Reamy
P. O. Box 957
Cuero, TX 77954

Images of the TLC460-425-RF. This buy is for a 350-grain bullet based on this design
http://home.awesomenet.net/~ranch-dog/Casting/TLC460425RF/TLC-460-425-RF_Approval.jpg
Drawing, compare to bullet discription above.

http://home.awesomenet.net/~ranch-dog/Casting/TLC460425RF/TLC460_Loaded.jpg
Bullet and loaded ammuntion for the 450 Marlin. Nose length and crimp groove will not change. Cartridge OAL for the 45-70 is 2.55" and 2.495" for the 450 Marlin.

This thread is un-stuck 5-18-06

[Bodydoc447]

Check is in the outgoing mailbox this morning.

Doc

[libbyman]

Check is in the mail today. MUCH THANKS!!!!!!!
Libbyman in NW. MT.

[Ranch Dog]

Thanks guys...

libbyman, I will get you will be on the next updated list.

[Ranch Dog]

Come on fellows, surely we have some shooters that can heaft 1/3 of a pound of lead with one casting! We need 25 molds to order.

[Bodydoc447]

We only need 25 moulds to not have to pay the set up fee. I'd pay an extra $10 per mould to have this one in a 6 banger.

Doc

[Ranch Dog]

Doc... I'm with you but others might not be. I've put a buy date of May 15th on this just like the 2-Cavity and I don't think we will have any problem getting the numbers by then. If you fellows frequent any other forums, you might mention the buy on them and provide a link to this thread. I would also personally be able to buy a couple more to cover the minimum if needed. There is always someone that comes up immediately after the buy wanting one. Let's see what happens.

[alamogunr]

My check will go in the mail tomorrow. I've been wanting something like this but wasn't sure what. One question, I've never had a tumble lube with GC. What dia. die would be required to seat the check and should the check be seated before lube?
John
"alamogunr"

[Ranch Dog]

John...

The best answer is that you should slug your barrel to know what size the prepared bullet should be. My short answer... .460". This seems to be a winner with just about any Marlin rifle I've run into or talked with anybody about.

The Lee Lube and Size Kits need to be special ordered in that diameter. They are $29. There are alternatives such as increasing the diameter of one of their cataloged dies. There is a fellow here on the forum that makes a die similar to the Lee die that comes in the L&S kit. I will dig around and post his forum name.

I lube the bullet once with the Lee Liquid Alox and then install and seat the gas checks. I end up putting two more coats of wax on all my big game boolits as I drive them HARD.

[PACO454]

ADD ME IN I'LL SEND A CHECK TOMARROW.... PACO:-D

[Ranch Dog]

Gotch'a down... thanks

[Hackleback]

Put me down for a 6 holer as well.

Thank you

[ShooterJK]

I'm going to switch from the 2-cavity group buy to the 6-cavity. Money Order is on its way. (I sent you an e-mail yesterday with the details.)

[Ranch Dog]

I wanted remind you fellows that you need to consider a method of sizing and seating gas checks. This bullet should not require much sizing, if any for your Marlin rifles, but you do need to consider the gas check seating to take full advantage of the performance potential of this big game bullet. The Micro-Bands were designed with the Lee Lube and Size Kits in mind.

http://www.leeprecision.com/graphics/shoppingcart/lubekit.jpg (http://www.leeprecision.com/cgi/catalog/browse.cgi?1146237282.5240=/html/catalog/lubesize.html)

Lee does not catalog a .460 die, so it would need to be special ordered. There are no discounts for a group buy on these kits. I'm sure some of you are capable and would consider turning a cataloged .457 die out to your requirement. These cataloged kits can be purchased for about $12 to $13 at Bose's, MidwayUSA, etc.

An alternative die is available from forum member and Administrator Buckshot. He manufactures a die similar to the Lee sizing die but it will cost you less than a special order from Lee. He will cut the die body to accept the Lee round bullet box if that is what you need. Here is a post that leads to his work...

FS, push through .3115" size die (http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=4666&highlight=size+die)

Whether Buckshot or Lee, consider this task and die now.

[Edward429451]

I have no 6 banger handles if I jumped in. Could I add a set of handles in to to save on the shipping & timing and if so how much would that bring my total to?

Thanks.

[Ranch Dog]

Not really Edward, Lee is going to charge full retail for the handles ($18) and I would have to let you know what the shipping is for both if you send me an email with you zip code. You can buy the handles through Boses or another retailer for $12.75.

[Edward429451]

I was all over Lee's site and didn't see the handles. ? Could you give me a link to Boses so I can get them ordered too? Thanks.

I'm in for one mould.

E-mail forthcoming.

I hope it fits under my little Lee pro pot!

[Ranch Dog]

Here you go Edward...

Lee Commercial Mold Handels for 6-Cavity Bullet Molds at Boses (http://www.bosesguns.com/product_p/lee90005.htm)

Your pot should work fine!

[MGySgt]

Check going out tomorrow!

Drew

[Edward429451]

Thanks Ranchdog. I kinda expected the handles to be more! I ordered two sets cause I'm lacking handles anyway. (Too many moulds, so few handles.)

I could paypal you if you're set up for it, or send a check out monday.

[Catshooter]

Buckshot will also open up (or make from scratch) a Lyman or RCBS lubrisizer die.


Cat

[Bodydoc447]

RanchDog,

I am concerned that my check hasn't arrived yet. It was sent on the 24th. Ought not to take 6 days to get from Florida to TX. Please let me know if it isn't there Monday's mail and I will send another to be sure my mould is covered.

Thanks,
Bodydoc447
zip 32127

[Ranch Dog]

Thanks Ranchdog. I kinda expected the handles to be more! I ordered two sets cause I'm lacking handles anyway. (Too many moulds, so few handles.)

I could paypal you if you're set up for it, or send a check out monday.

Edward... Your check is fine. No PayPal around here.

[Ranch Dog]

Bodydoc.. yeap, six days seems a might long. Let me check the mail in the morning and see what I got.

[Ranch Dog]

45 2.1 had suggested a modified Micro-Band that would allow the bullet to also be used with traditional lube/sizers and he has been supply info and drawings via the 425-grain boolit thread and email.

I really like his ideas and have included a detail of the way the Micro-Band is cut with a narrow band at the bottom of the groove instead of the Lee "V" with no bottom. That band is extremely narrow and I don't see any change as to how the band excepts the liquid alox. This change would allow interest from another group of buyers (lube/sizers) and should help generate the 6-cavity order over the 25 mold minimum. With the ability to lube by either method, the boolit is about as perfect as it can be!

It is my plan to incorporate his ideas into any additional orders I place with with Lee. Any comments about allowing the change with this buy?

[Bodydoc447]

Looks good to me. 45 2.1 does danged good work. Thanks to both of you.

Doc

[borderman]

Ranch Dog - a money order will be in the mail today. Many thanks for your efforts.

[Ranch Dog]

RanchDog,

I am concerned that my check hasn't arrived yet. It was sent on the 24th. Ought not to take 6 days to get from Florida to TX. Please let me know if it isn't there Monday's mail and I will send another to be sure my mould is covered.

Thanks,
Bodydoc447
zip 32127

Bodydoc...

Got it today along with a bunch of others. I will update the list this evening.

[Bodydoc447]

Thanks, Ranch Dog. I was kind of sweating it. Couldn't figure out where it had gone. All's well that ends well.

Doc

[MGySgt]

Ranch Dog -

It is my plan to incorporate his ideas into any additional orders I place with with Lee. Any comments about allowing the change with this buy?

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No - problem with me changing this to be either or!

Drew

[Edward429451]

<This change would allow interest from another group of buyers (lube/sizers) and should help generate the 6-cavity order over the 25 mold minimum. With the ability to lube by either method, the boolit is about as perfect as it can be!>

Whaa? You can't lube these in a lube sizer? News to me. It's to do with the micro bands as I read it? Why? I've been lubing a 255gr gc Lee boolit with my 450 and it seems to work fine.

Not that it matters, and I'm in either way. I have a pan lube kit too. If it can happen (the change in the grooves on this order), I'd be for it because I sure could go faster on the 450's.

[45 2.1]

Here is the 350 gr. boolit with the modified tumble lube grooves.

[Bodydoc447]

Now I have to ask my mandatory stoopid question of the day. I have Hornady .45 caliber GCs that I have been using on my Lee C452-300RF. Can I use these on this bullet, too? I am wondering on account of Felix's group buy on Gator checks which had separate types for the rifle and handgun. Any help would be appreciated. Yes, this is my first GC .45-70 mould but not my first .45-70 mould.

Thanks,
Doc

[dragonrider]

Another I just have to have, the check is in the mail, thanks for the opportunity.
I wish I had found this forum earlier, I think I like the group buy stuff.

[Ranch Dog]

bodydoc... Yes, same Hornady gas check (#7140).

Dragonrider... Got you on the list.

[LIMPINGJ]

My payment for a 6 cavity will go in the mail this afternoon.
Jim

[BABore]

45 2.1 had suggested a modified Micro-Band that would allow the bullet to also be used with traditional lube/sizers and he has been supply info and drawings via the 425-grain boolit thread and email.

I really like his ideas and have included a detail of the way the Micro-Band is cut with a narrow band at the bottom of the groove instead of the Lee "V" with no bottom. That band is extremely narrow and I don't see any change as to how the band excepts the liquid alox. This change would allow interest from another group of buyers (lube/sizers) and should help generate the 6-cavity order over the 25 mold minimum. With the ability to lube by either method, the boolit is about as perfect as it can be!

It is my plan to incorporate his ideas into any additional orders I place with with Lee. Any comments about allowing the change with this buy?


Sure, I PM you the other day asking if you were going to incorporate this design change and you say not for the 350 grainer, maybe for the 425 though. I say to myself, I guess I just saved myself $56. Now you went and did it. Thanks alot pal.:bigsmyl2:

Put me down for (1) 6C mold. The check's going out the door now.

[Bodydoc447]

We are on a roll now! I just ordered the Lee sizing kits for .460 and .432 for the Ranch Dog moulds I have on order. The nice lady said 3-4 weeks. That ought to be just about right. If you are planning to order a .460 Lee sizing kit, now would be a good time to do so for it to be on hand when the moulds arrive.

Doc

[Edward429451]

So will I be able to lube these on my 450? Or am I going to need a Lee setup?

You should've got my check today. I got my handles.

[Ranch Dog]

BABore... I was trying to find the post where we yacked about the grooves... but you got the info before I did.

I didn't get to the Post Office today guys, I live out in the sticks, your checks are safe and sound in my box. I was busy today mowing my food plots. That is tough work this time of year because it starts by dragging a heavy chain across the plot to get the fawns up and moving. Two people drag the chain between them, today it was my wife and I... bless her little heart. I haven't figured out any other way to get the fawns up and moving before they get whacked by the shredder.

[rvpilot76]

Money Order will go out tomorrow. This is gonna be a great boolit for my Cowboy!

Kevin

[DEVERS454]

Is it still possible to get in on this one? If so, I'll be sending some cash here shortly.

I take it these will size down to .458" just fine...correct?
I am glad these will work well with the Hornady gas checks. [Edited: someone else had posted this]

I am hoping to get a money order out to you today. (May 10th)

Check should get to you by Monday at the LATEST!!!

[Ranch Dog]

Sounds good, I answered your PM.

[dragonrider]

01525 belong to me
Paul Gauthier
PO Box 547
388 Providence Rd
Linwood, Ma 01525

forum username dragonrider

[charlie / sw mo]

sorry about that---65759 is
charlie / sw mo

[wmitty]

Ranch Dog, I'd like to get in on this; I'll get the check in today's mail. I'm in Sulphur Springs, north-east of Dallas so check should get there Tuesday(?)
Sorry I'm late, but the funds just became available.

[borderman]

Ranch Dog - I think you may have me in the list twice, once as a paid 'boderman' and once as an unpaid 'borderman'. I should be a paid 'borderman'. My zip code is 47401.

[Ranch Dog]

wmitty... go ahead and send the funds and I will get you covered.

Borderman... thanks for the correction!!! The list above has been corrected.

I'm out traveling this weekend and will check the PO Box and finalize everything Monday morning.

[Ranch Dog]

Good morning guys! Today is the day! Got in at 0200 and trying to wake up. Will close this up today and update all the info. I thought I would go into the PO a little later today as we collect mail all day. Out box at PO closes at 5 p.m. and order will be shipped to Lee and final stats posted.

[Ranch Dog]

THIS BUY IS CLOSED AND THE ORDER IS ON THE WAY TO LEE.

I haven't had a response from a couple of those that where interested but I covered the molds for this order. Please forward your check or let me know if you are no longer interested so I can send the extra molds to any one that finds this buy beyond today's close date.

43 2-cavity molds and 29 6-cavity molds, that's a heck of an order!!!

[Dr. A]

Thanks a bunch Ranchdog!

[rvpilot76]

+1 on the thanks!

Kevin

[Ranch Dog]

http://home.awesomenet.net/~ranch-dog/Casting/TLC460350RF/Lee_Drawing_Detail.jpg

Things seem to be moving pretty quick with this buy. I received the approval drawing from Lee on Friday!

A couple of notes concerning the drawing. Items confirmed via telephone with Lee on 05/31/06. Boolit diameter is .460"... no reference on this drawing other than the boolit nomenclature. The meplat is .330", not the referenced .337". This boolit is like the original TLC460-425-RF design at the front of this post. Correction was penciled in by both Lee and myself. Modified Micro-Band is same as detail referenced in this thread.

[Ranch Dog]

I'm also looking for the fellow that sent me a check from zip code 22973... I need to associate your forum name with that check.

[Leftoverdj]

I'm also looking for the fellow that sent me a check from zip code 22973... I need to associate your forum name with that check.

'Tis I, Ranch Dog.

[Ranch Dog]

'Tis I, Ranch Dog.

Very good... thanks!

[dltaskey]

Wah... I been away and missed this, any leftovers please let me know.

[Edward429451]

Any word yet?

Anxious.......

[Ranch Dog]

It will be a while. I had a special order in a week before Jeff223's group buy and I haven't received it yet. All these orders are on a first come, first served basis.

I would suggest we watch Jeff's GB and that will give us an idea when we will receive our's or at least it will be sometime after that GB is satisfied.

[Edward429451]

Thanks RanchDog.