So How Much LONGER do I have to Wait for Primers?

[Suo Gan]

Okay, I bought a few hundred from the gunshop, now he is dry again. This primer shortage is getting rediculous! How much longer :confused:? No one seems to REALLY know. I have an old high school friend that works for Remington, I think I will have to drop him a line.

[Suo Gan]

I just read on the Powder Valley site that they have 50,000,000 primers on backorder! :(:(

[257 Shooter]

I have some that have been on back order for 3 months.

[JesterGrin_1]

Sorry I wish that I could give you some kind of a reply. But nobody really knows what is going to go on with Primers. I have asked Powder Valley a few times and either they know and will not say or as there reply to me says they do not know.

You can get WOLF primers from time to time but the ones we use most that are made here are very few and far between.

[cheese1566]

Don't forget they have contracts to small arms manufacturers as well, such as CorBon, BH Hills Ammo, ...Police departments and sheriff offices cannot get ammo -factory or refurbished- for training and duty use. In SD, agencies big and small rely on BH Ammo for training ammo.

[1hole]

"So How Much LONGER do I have to Wait for Primers?"

Not real sure, but maybe tomorrow? If tomorrow ever comes....

[dsmjon]

Local shop owner just put his personal supply on the sales floor. I never was one to buy for stockpiling purposes, but I did buy 4k primers from him on Monday.

The current mess will get straightened out, I'd rather we have the shortage than our boys wearing DC in the sandboxes.

[jonk]

I got 10k from Wideners last month. So I'm good.

[FISH4BUGS]

....is that I cast and reload for them. I have learned to buy in 10-20,000 lots of whatever it is I buy. If I back down from shooting a bunch of full auto I am golden for my primer and powder inventory.
My son and I blasted around 1,000 rounds on Saturday. Lots of fun. I am all set for a while.

[longhorn47]

dont let anyone kid you it is getting worse people are getting what ever they can as much as they can if they need it or not

[454PB]

My dealer has them. He limits customers to 500 primers, except small pistol magnum....no limit.

[angus6]

I found that if I paid attention to a couple different forums that I vist and wasn't picky about what brand of primers that I've been able to keep me and the 7 guys I shoot with supplied no problem.
Midway has been great with their email notices , I use a dedicated e/m for primers to my cell phone works great, get a notice and hit speed dial . there were plenty of primers online in the last week sr-srm-sp- lp , wideners has 3 styles of small rifle right now

[machinisttx]

Primer manufacturers have basically said they don't care about reloaders, and that primers will go to ammo production since they make a higher profit from ammo than primers.

The funny thing is, reloaders probably shoot a lot more than folks who just buy commercial ammo, so while initial profits may be higher on loaded ammo, component primers would likely be selling in enough volume to make up any difference and then some.

[Catshooter]

Primer manufacturers have basically said they don't care about reloaders, and that primers will go to ammo production since they make a higher profit from ammo than primers.

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machinist,

I'd like to know your source for that please.


Cat

[Catshooter]

Local shop owner just put his personal supply on the sales floor. I never was one to buy for stockpiling purposes, but I did buy 4k primers from him on Monday.

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Are you thinking these days of maybe re-thinking that plan? :kidding:


Cat

[stubshaft]

I don't know where my local dealer orders from but he just got an order in with 40,000 primers. This is in Hawaii!

[GP100man]

primers are sorta like a lost item , it`s always in the last place ya look!!!

[machinisttx]

machinist,

I'd like to know your source for that please.


Cat

Email responses from the mfgs posted by members of another forum. I'm paraphrasing, but that is essentially what they said.

[evan price]

Sorry, guys, I'm feeling snarky tonight, but seriously, will whining like a 5-yr-old on an internationally acclaimed gun forum do anything to get you primers? They will come when they come and no amount of b*tching about it will make them come quicker.

I know guys that only buy primers 100-200 at a time, and they are just as bad. Seriously, buy them by the 5K at a time. Not that you need to have 500K on hand, but having a few thousand as a buffer lets you ride out the highs and lows better.

Anybody who paid any attention at all to the November elections should have been able to foretell this would happen. Anybody who saw the Great Primer Scare of 1992* knew what we were in for, too.


*This relates to a proposal during the Clinton administration that the .gov would like primers to have a chemical expiration date built in to prevent hoarding of ammo. While it never came about because of technical problems, people went out and bought every "old" style primer in existance!

[1hole]

"Anybody who paid any attention at all to the November elections should have been able to foretell this would happen."

The brighter of us saw the hand writing on that wall by this time last year, that's when the panic buying started.

Unfortunately for me, I wasn't one of the brighter...it never occured to me that so many reloaders would be susceptable to irrational panic. But echos of the reactions after Clinton's silly proposals should have shown that to be a false expectation!

[mdi]

I just saw some today on Gunbroker. Most sizes of CCI. If you really want to pay $65 per 1,000...

[rob45]

I truly believe that the current political scene is the cause of the shortage. We can dissect this any way we want to for as long as we want to, but it all comes down to that fact in the end.

The manufacturers are already running full steam. Those who have contracts (military, etc.) to satisfy must first meet those demands. Factory ammo shortages are the highest I have seen in my lifetime, and I understand that issue must be addressed as well. The only way to increase production is for another manufacturer to start production, and that is very unlikely to happen considering the millions involved with setting up such an operation, even if they could get the raw materials.

I do not know what the current backlog on component primers is, but it has to be enormous. Different areas of the country will probably get them in at different times, as will each individual wholesaler and retailer. We either pay high scalping prices or we wait until our dealer has them.

Thankfully I saw the writing on the wall before the panic, as the Clinton administration was most definitely a hard-learned lesson for me. So I stocked up as soon as I found out this person was even running for office. Not only primers, but also powder and brass. Now if only I had also done the same thing with rimfire ammo!

[jdgabbard]

I've got enough of everything but SPM primers. I could use 3-5k of those. Other than that, I'm good. I've got about 12K small pistol, and about 2k small rifle. I barely shoot rifle, and I've not been able to go out shooting my pistols in about 3 months due to work. I think I'm gonna be able to ride it out. If not, then I'll give in and buy some on backorder. But I do think eventually they'll be back to the normal availability. Tho the prices might stay the same.

[dolang1]

jdgabbard, I bought sp Magtech at H&H last week for $32.80. Everything I shot yesterday went bang. Later Don

[evan price]

Suo Gan, there's a big difference between a government oppressing its citizens- and simple market conditions causing panic buying. You've got a very specious argument there, old chap.

There's no "conspiracy" to deprive you or anyone of primers (other than the ongoing Socialism that is pervading the .gov) it's a combination of sudden, unprecedented demand versus a fixed lead time to fill the demand. Ever hear of the Beer Game? It is being worsened by panic buying, hoarding, and rumours. So far every gunstore in my area of Central Ohio has primers in stock- maybe not as many choices and styles or as inexpensively as they used to- but everyone has primers, mostly for $30-$40 a thousand. They've been able to start keeping them in stock now for about a month.

Maybe if we all threaten to hold our breath until we turn blue, they will ship out more primers?

In the meantime, all we can do is what we've been doing- wait patiently.

[9.3X62AL]

I agree that political atmosphere contributed to the most recent and ongoing primer shortage, but I'll be d--ned if I'll pay $7.50/100 for the things. Or pay a scalper $100/1K for WW LR caps, as I was offered a few months back at the local club range. For my part, I have a decent supply on hand, and I'm going to wait out the panicked Chicken Little THE SKY IS FALLING Tinfoil Cowboy Hat Cadre, and the rapacious retailers or shoebox capitalists that are bending people over for primers. I refuse to play, and we all need to refuse to play if we're going to get a handle on this mess. I DON'T HAVE TO SHOOT, I DON'T HAVE TO RELOAD. I have enough ammo on hand to hunt for several lifetimes, and to sight-in for at least 40 years.

Bottom line--DON'T BUY INTO THE "PANIC"--turn this right around on the barstads, BOYCOTT RELOADING COMPONENTS. I hope all those stock-piled primers taste good with ketchup, you hoarding low-rent Mensheviks.

[parrott1969]

I placed an order for 15000 primers in january and I recieved them in middle of june. I do not understand why you guys do not just place an order and hang on to your panties until they come in.

[runfiverun]

can't sell what they ain't got.
they sell their overstocks to reloaders,they don't have equipment set up to just make primers for sale.
the shortage is from all stocks of ammo being bought.
then any primers left over were bought.
so here we are,they are producing ammo at higher profits and trickling out any left over primers to us just like always,only there ain't much left over.

[2ndAmendmentNut]

I got 10K from Wideners last month. It only took them 2-weeks to get to me after I placed the order. The primers are Wolf brand though. I have not seen American primers in a loooong time. Wolf primers seem just fine and right now I am happy to get primers, any primers.

[ETG]

Wideners has Wolf 223 primers for $29/k.

[markinalpine]

I placed the types of primers I wanted in my wish list, along with some powder, at Natchez Shooters Supply, and kept checking every day. They finally got Federal primers in, and I placed an order for the primers and powder at the same time so as to get them all with one HAZMAT charge. This was a couple of months ago.

[sheepdog]

Wideners has Wolf 223 primers for $29/k.

They were $17/1000 last year.

But seriously they are out there, if your willing to pay for them. Roughly $50/1000 here but finally starting to see small rifle benchrest.

[Char-Gar]

I am not a hoarder, but I think I have enough of all primer types to last me the rest of my lifetime. I am 67. I bought them over the last couple of years before I retired, knowing that money will be scarce in retirement. I did the same with powder. I think this is called making hay while the sun shines.

[rob45]

I am not a hoarder, but I think I have enough of all primer types to last me the rest of my lifetime. I am 67. I bought them over the last couple of years before I retired, knowing that money will be scarce in retirement. I did the same with powder. I think this is called making hay while the sun shines.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with that, IMO.

In the post above, 9.2x62AL was letting off steam about the people hoarding them for sake of profit, and I agree with him. These are the people who take something we need and resell at considerable profit during a time of low supply. They are no different than a ticket scalper at a concert selling $40.00 tickets for $120.00 That scalper took 50 tickets out of the general distribution, and he did it not for personal use, but for financial gain. That's exactly the same situation we have going on with primers! Just last week I had someone call me up asking if I needed primers; get this, the guy doesn't even reload! But he obviously believed I would jump right on that "deal". It's only a "deal" if you need it and it's at the right price.

I personally do not view stockpiling in the same light as hoarding.

When one stockpiles, they are building up their own inventory in anticipation of needing that essential item later. We all have different levels of inventory we're satisfied with. A serious competitor can go through a couple thousand in a week, while someone reloading to get more practice in before hunting season may consider a thousand primers enough to last them the rest of their hunting career.
What about the person who specializes in wildcat design/proprietary cartridges? I know of one such individual; his shop used to go through a couple thousand a week, but now his testing has been reduced by over 75%.

Regardless of what our individual needs are, the point I'm trying to make is that we buy primers with the intent of using them, and if we build an inventory for such, then let it be called stockpiling, and I don't hold it against anyone who does so. But the type of individual who builds an inventory simply for financial gain later on is not stockpiling; they're hoarding and, as far as I'm concerned, they can simply crawl back under the rock they came out of.

[Bret4207]

Well, I'm happy to say I'm still using primers purchased in the mid to late 70's. Yes, there were a LOT of them. I did run out of standard large rifle but the CCI Benchrest LR and Magnum LR seem to work fine. I did pick up 2k of LR last fall for $22.00 or so. I refuse to rush out and panic buy. I just shoot less and try and be patient. Shoot, I've been waiting for years for an affordable 358009 to cross my path. Patience will save you money sometimes.

[Mark]

...Police departments and sheriff offices cannot get ammo -factory or refurbished- for training and duty use.

I have heard this before and I don't believe it. My club opens our range for the local PD's in the county to qualify. This happened the last 3 weeks of August (or more if they want it). If I total the empty boxes in the garbage at the end of the day, they use 3-5k of ammo A DAY depending on the department and the weather. Most is new Federal in 45 and 40 (again, depends on the department) and one department apparently still uses 38 special. They used about 5k remanufactured 148 wadcutter loads.

A friend and I went in on an order of primers and a separate order of powder at Powder Valley. It has been 4 months for the primers and no word on a delivery date. Powder seems a little better but we told them only ship when the order is complete and after 1 month, we are still waiting on certain powders to come in.

This all does seem odd. Remember the price of primers went up before the actual shortage. They didn't dry up over night. We were told at the point of purchase that the cost increase was due to the rising cost of metal. The developing nations of the world were buying metal (including scrap) driving up the price of primers. When the shortage started (more than a year ago), we heard the military contracts and PD orders were causing the shortage. Now there are orders waiting for months and no primers to fill them. I am I supposed to believe that the primer manufactures have told the reloader to stick it? Is CCI really running 3 shifts on the primer line and not keeping up with demand? How about the other manufactures like Winchester and Federal? This is the only industry who doesn't see the opportunity for profit or for that matter, didn't predict the shortage? Odd.

Mark (who is off his soap box for the time being)

[jim4065]

I was shown a primer production room once at the Remington shotshell plant near here. Lot's of specialized equipment (mostly air-powered) which would take months to replace. It's not a cottage industry. That being said - there sure doesn't seem to be a valid reason for a shortage coming into a year after the election. Even percussion caps are in short supply around here - but I've got enuff..........:mrgreen:

[Newtire]

I am able to get MagTech (made in South America I think) small rifle primers and I also got 1000 CCI 350's a month ago. I had 2 out of 200 of the Magtechs fired be a dud so far. May be a fluke or not. I picked up 1000 CCI 300's from a guy on Calguns last week. Shotgun primers are available all the time. Powder is full on the dealer shelves in Watsonville California at the gunstore there.

[Idaho Sharpshooter]

Thank obammy for that, he;s the best thing that ever happened to the ammunition and reloading components industry.

Rich

[beanflip]

no problem getting powder or primers in my area !!!

[TDC]

I've lived through tree serious component shortage situations in the past and this one is very different.

Politically, we are confronted with an administration and a congress that is dead set on imposing new gun controls - and they have the power and arrogance to make it happen.

We've never had such radically left leaning people occupying the White House, the Speaker of The House position, the Majority Leader of the Senate seat, or the chairmanships of all the major and minor committees of both houses. The leftist have a filibuster proof majority that can give them any new law they want. We are one Supreme Court justice away from total leftist control of our government and if the next justice to leave the court is a pro-second amendment advocate .... well, you get the picture!

Compound the political situation with a disastrous economic situation that obviously worsens every day and it's very simple to calculate what is happening to the shooting sport. I've been a hunter, shooter, re-loader and caster for over fifty years and I've never seen shortages that matched the duration of this one, and with no apparent end in sight.

People are scared and rightfully so! We're scared for our shooting sports. We're scared for our hunting rights. We feel threatened by government proposals that will surely affect the basic freedoms and lifestyles of our families and kids for generations to come....

Never, IMHO, have these fears been better expressed than with the current primer shortage situation... To elaborate on this point...... I've talked with lifelong friends who are not only concerned about the shortage but are expanding their "stashes" of vital components by as much as 10X the numbers they have had in the past. They are no longer thinking in terms of a year or two, or even ten year supply of vital components, but a lifetime worth as soon as components become available to them again.

I believe the "hoarders" will be long gone as the supplies loosen up and we serious user/shooters will be the ones keeping our vital components in short availability for months, or even years to come. I know people who plan to buy 50k+ of each primer type as well as sufficient powder supplies as soon as they can... i believe we are beginning to see that happen today.

I don't have a crystal ball to show where this is going to lead, but I do believe we are headed into uncharted territory that will surly provide some surprises -- and some of those surprises are sure to shock us all....

JMHO....

TDC

[HNSB]

I was in my local store today. They had a few bricks of everything in stock. :)
(That's the first time in about 6 months that I have been able to find small pistol primers anywhere)

[Bob.]

The last two or three weeks I have seen a little more supplys on the shelves here, lots of powder and some primers at a crazy price.
Was at Wallyworld yesterday and they had a some 40 & 45 WWB and something I havent seen all summer there, 550 ct. 22 rimmie's for $16.00.
I dont but factory ammo but I grabbed some more 22's


Bob

[jameslovesjammie]

I've talked with lifelong friends who are not only concerned about the shortage but are expanding their "stashes" of vital components by as much as 10X the numbers they have had in the past.


I know people who plan to buy 50k+ of each primer type as well as sufficient powder supplies as soon as they can

I was gonna make a comment about these kinds of people being the problem...but I just realized I AM one of those people. I used to only buy 1 brick of whatever type of primer I needed and replace it when I needed. I NEVER had more than 4,000 primers on hand (combination of 209, sp, spm, lrm). I just counted, and I have 14,900 primers. I have more primers now that there is a shortage than I ever had before.

[BSkerj]

I have 8k stored up and when I shoot I replace double what I shot the next day. Primers are pretty available finally here at 35.00 a K...but thanks to this new hobby I just aquired I am hoarding a heavy gray metal that melts real well. My wife thinks I am part squirrel what with all the reloading and casting components I am storing up. Maybe there is some primal instinctive thing going on..hard to explain but I feel a need inside to keep stockpiling !

[nealhardin]

i got 5000 large rifle primers from sinclair friday and ordered 5000 small rifle primers from natchez shooters supply this morning maybe this means the supply is catching up with the demand

[nouseforaname1246]

ive got myself a pretty decent supply of primers 2k of each. honestly who really needs much more than that on hand? but i was at scheels yesterday and they are still stocked up on primers after the shipment over 2 weeks ago. first time they have lasted on the shelf for more than a few hours. im thinking all the hoarders finally ran out of space or money. i called around to a few other gun shops and they are all decently stocked as well. the primer shortage is over in my neck of the woods at least :)

[mike in co]

i have mentioned it before: the primer is part of a load, when you change LOT'S of primers, you are changing the load. if it is in your budget, you should by primers by the sleeve(5k) for consistancy of your loads.
as to availablity...i ordered 25k on sat, rec'd them thur( sr/lr..wolf), and have access near unlimited cci sr/sp.

so yes more are breaking loose.

mike in co

[jameslovesjammie]

My wife had a Dr.'s appointment on Wednesday so we ran into town. I got a call from a buddy at Sears saying he had some wheelweights for me. While I was in the mall I checked the primer situation at Scheels. This is what I saw:

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c129/jameslovesjammie/gun%20stuff/downsized_1118091433.jpg

Prices were $30/1000 for SP, SPM, SR, SRM, and LR. Match and shotshell were $35. Still no Large Rifle Magnums or Large pistol magnums yet, but still a good sign.

[Lloyd Smale]

ive got match large rifle mag feds that id swap for cci 350s or standard lg rifle.

[madcaster]

My wife had a Dr.'s appointment on Wednesday so we ran into town. I got a call from a buddy at Sears saying he had some wheelweights for me. While I was in the mall I checked the primer situation at Scheels. This is what I saw:

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c129/jameslovesjammie/gun%20stuff/downsized_1118091433.jpg

Prices were $30/1000 for SP, SPM, SR, SRM, and LR. Match and shotshell were $35. Still no Large Rifle Magnums or Large pistol magnums yet, but still a good sign.

I remember shopping there!I bought a pan lubing outfit made by Lee for my oldest brother,and spent a LOT of time in that store!

[500bfrman]

I am glad to see some people can get primers now. If I want them I must go to gunbroker.

[lwknight]

I am glad to see some people can get primers now. If I want them I must go to gunbroker.

Midsouth shooters supply has ben good for me. The back order is anywhere from 6 weeks to several months but, the prices are not being gouged and they do come through.
I ordered 10K CCI Small Pistol and after 10 weeks they called to see if I still wanted them. " Of Course!"

I did not have to slow up my shooting but, I did get a good bit of unprimed brass in the waiting.

[Huntr Pat]

I could use couple hundred to reload 7mm wby mag

[lwknight]

We as reloaders and primer hoarders are not but a drop in the bucket to where the primers are going. Ammo manufacturers are first served. We are a small minority.
The ammo hoarders are buying 1000s times more primers in their loaded factoy ammo.
Then to compound matters capitalist or should I say capitalizers are buying the market and jacking the prices for resale.

[bernie1]

If you will look closely at the Lee Engineering ad. in this months Handloader Mag. You will see a letter stating that Homeland Security has ordered 200 million rounds of .40 cal. ammo. from Winchester. I have not been able to find out anything more about this. Maybe youguys can!? Thanks Bernie

[beanflip]

all kinds of 40 cal. here at wally world !

[Newtire]

I just scored 2K large pistol primers from my local gun shop. the first I've seen of large pistol in a long time.

[snowwolfe]

I would have to say if your local shops do not have primers it is because they are either saving them all for hoarders or not ordering them.
Even here in Alaska I can find pretty much all sizes of Remington and CCI primers between 3 stores I visit often.
Boondocks in Eagle River
Sportsman Warehouse in Anchorage
Great Northern Guns in Anchorage

Plus there are a handful of other stores I rarely go into. You guys are lucky because it is easy for you to mail order them. For us it is difficult because we have to get a very large order together and have it drop shipped to Seattle then barged up.

[Tazman1602]

I have 8k stored up and when I shoot I replace double what I shot the next day. Primers are pretty available finally here at 35.00 a K...but thanks to this new hobby I just aquired I am hoarding a heavy gray metal that melts real well. My wife thinks I am part squirrel what with all the reloading and casting components I am storing up. Maybe there is some primal instinctive thing going on..hard to explain but I feel a need inside to keep stockpiling !

I got that beat, this is how serious this is. My wife always accuses me of having more ammo/reloading stuff than a small army and she is pushing me to buy more and more primers/powder etc when we go to the store and there actually ARE primers/powder etc there.

These "shortages" are FAR worse than when slick Willy and co. were in power..................

One day some youngster is going to sneak into my barn and think he's gonna take off with one of those buckets of whatever they are because that old man always has good stuff, he's gonna latch onto the handle and run and his left nut is going to splat on my barn floor..........<GRIN>

Art

[Tazman1602]

If you will look closely at the Lee Engineering ad. in this months Handloader Mag. You will see a letter stating that Homeland Security has ordered 200 million rounds of .40 cal. ammo. from Winchester. I have not been able to find out anything more about this. Maybe youguys can!? Thanks Bernie

The word I got was it was 500 million rounds from my local reloading store..........a FULL YEARS worth of production. I suppose Homeland Security is going to be wearing brown shirts now too..............

Art

[stiles]

If you will look closely at the Lee Engineering ad. in this months Handloader Mag. You will see a letter stating that Homeland Security has ordered 200 million rounds of .40 cal. ammo. from Winchester. I have not been able to find out anything more about this. Maybe youguys can!? Thanks Bernie

You mean LEE is using HYPERBOLE in a print add, go figure! It's a maximum of 200 million rounds over 5 years, which is intentionally a way over blown number so they don't have to re-negotiate the contract.

[kywoodwrkr]

If I recall correctly, primers atarted going up in 2007 when all brass and other metals increased in price.
Friend and I saw the metal increase coming and stocked up accordingly-about $95/5M delivered in 50M blocks.
There was I thought a steady increase over time until the fall of 2008 when everything really broke loose-or just broke, whichever.

[Tazman1602]

You mean LEE is using HYPERBOLE in a print add, go figure! It's a maximum of 200 million rounds over 5 years, which is intentionally a way over blown number so they don't have to re-negotiate the contract.

"Hyperbole, from ancient Greek (http://castboolits.gunloads.com/wiki/Ancient_Greek) "ὑπερβολή", meaning excess or exaggeration) is a figure of speech (http://castboolits.gunloads.com/wiki/Figure_of_speech) in which statements are exaggerated."

This ain't hyperbole, it's fact. If you're not paranoid enough do a web seach on Narus Intercept Suite...............................

[Texasflyboy]

If you will look closely at the Lee Engineering ad. in this months Handloader Mag. You will see a letter stating that Homeland Security has ordered 200 million rounds of .40 cal. ammo. from Winchester. I have not been able to find out anything more about this. Maybe youguys can!? Thanks Bernie

The Federal Government awards almost all contracts via one website, FEDBIZOPS.

You can research virtually any RFI, RFP, Pre-Solicitation, Solicitation, or contract award via FedbizOps. A quick search of FEDBIZOPS gave this soliciation from DHS for ammunition for the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Georgia:

FEDBIZOPS Frangible Ammunition Order for FLEO Training Center (https://www.fbo.gov/spg/DHS/FLETC/PDDC20229/LGL08R00012/listing.html)

Note that the award is an IDIQ contract. IDIQ means Indefinite Quantity, Indefinite Delivery. What does that mean for the contractor who gets a multi-million dollar IDIQ award? Not much. An IDIQ contract is worthless until you get Task Orders against it.

IDIQ contract awards are the Federal Government's way of saying "We don't know how much we will need, or for how long, so let's have an opened ended contract for a maximum value with a maximum term." This allows the government to piecemeal orders (via Task Orders) as funds or needs are made known.

Typically, an IDIQ contract is let for X amount of dollars for Y years. The government then issues (but is under no obligation to do so) task orders for a piecemeal amount against the total contract value. For example, an IDIQ contract for 50 million dollars for 5 years, may get a first task order for 5 million dollars in the first year, 10 million in the second year, nothing in the third year, 1 million in the 4th year, and nothing in the 5th and final year.

Total contract value? $50 Million Dollars.

Total awards (task orders) made under the contract? 16 Million.

Quite a bit of difference.

Almost all government supply centers now use IDIQ contracts as a way to control costs, consumption, and funding availability.

Just because that training center awarded an IDIQ contract is meaningless. It's task orders that get you paid.

[watkibe]

Last November I bought guns to fill all the "gaps" in my battery. I saw that part of the "handwriting on the wall", but I was really dumb about the ammo and components shortages. I didn't see them coming at all.
Since then I have become a "mini-hoarder", buying somewhat larger than usual amounts of things when I can find them. Now, if I see primers and 22 ammo on sale at a store, I rarely pass up the opportunity to buy. From the online vendors, I wait until I can order a few pounds of powder and a few thousand primers to keep the hazmat fees down.

[Bishop Ammunition]

As I am am a manufacturer I have a almost unlimited source for primers, in all sizes. If anyone is intrested I can provide the contact information. As I am not selling components individually right now I do not mind providing the contact information.

Merrisa
Bishop Ammunition

[rmb721]

Our Wal-mart has CCI primers for $3.09/100.

At gun shows around here, primers are $34 to $40 per 1000.

[dudel]

In North Ga, we pay $29/1000. The three places I frequent have them in stock. During the shortage, I had to get a brick of Magtechs; but the supply was always there if I was willing to check around for them.

[357shooter]

In North Ga, we pay $29/1000. The three places I frequent have them in stock. During the shortage, I had to get a brick of Magtechs; but the supply was always there if I was willing to check around for them.Where in N. Ga? I'm paying $45/1000 in Suwanee GA... They would be less at Bass Pro if they ever had any.

Someone mentioned Walmart, they sell primers??

[AZ-Stew]

If you don't mind waiting 1-2 weeks for them to be shipped, and the slightly higher prices (~$35/K), Cabela's has just about everything. They say "out of stock, 0-1 or 0-2 week delay in delivery" which means they'll be in your hands in 1-3 weeks. Yeah, they're a little pricey, but at least you can get what you want in a relatively short time. If you can go to one of their stores, they may have what you want on the shelf.

Regards,

Stew