Remington R-15

[EOD3]

Remington is advertising an R-15 (AR-15) rifle chambered in 30 Remington. Are there any Remington experts around here that can splain to me how they get a (roughly) 2 1/2 inch cartridge in a 2 1/4 magazine/lower? :confused:

[scb]

Not a 30 Remington - 30AR Remington 2 different cartridges. Haven't seen specs but guessing 30/6.8spc. The 6.8spc is of course is a shortened / necked down 30 Remington

[lead-1]

Are you sure it's not an R-25 that is the same as an AR-10. The merger of Remington and Bushmaster or some such a deal was to produce an R-25 which will chamber .308, 7-08 and .243 cartridges. That 6.8 SPC is supposed to be a fine shooting round.

[mike in co]

naw the latest gun rag from the nra has a full page ad on the 30ar....not 30 rem.

[EOD3]

Oops, where I saw it, the AR appeared unrelated to the "30 Remington". You'd think by now I'd be used to the new "kids" grammar. :oops:

[GabbyM]

It is the AR-15 platform. Remington's college idiots think they're so cool they named theirs the R-15.
They advertise30 Remington AR as “Hits Like a 308. Carries Like a 223.” Well how stupid do they think people are. Remington's office rats must be building a resume to send out to the Obama administration. Their published data for the core-lokt 125gr bullet is 2154fps. Which places it a full 400 fps less than a 30-30. Worse yet its 250 fps under the 7.62X39mm. This thing is a total turkey. That's not my opinion it's an obvious fact. Take a look at the video on this page. http://www.remington.com/products/ammunition/centerfire/30_remington_ar.asp
Never seen such garbage.
They previewed this turkey in product seminars last year claiming 2,800fps from the 125 grain bullet. Wonder where all that speed went to. Must have decided to load it to levels that wouldn't break the little AR bolts.

[EOD3]

Did a little research, I think I'll pass this one up.

They've taken a 450 Bushmaster case, necked it to 30 cal, expanded the case head a wee bit. The bolt is a modified AR10 with an expanded face.

I think I'll just stick with my 7.62x39 and a decent bullet. :smile:

[Heavy lead]

I cannot understand why they keep trying to re-invent the 7.62x39. Must be cause it's Russian. It is a fine cartridge in it's own right. Myself both my AR-15's are 223 and probably won't buy anything else than a 223, however if I were going to get a different caliber in the rifle it would definately be the 7.62, don't think I would shoot the steel case Russian stuff, but it seems like a fine, well balanced design for short range work.

[EOD3]

The 7.62x39 compares well with the 30-30 Winchester. I have an Oly Arms upper on a Sundevil lower that works just fine. If I was in the market for a new upper, it'd be a 223x6mm. :Fire:

[Three44s]

Maybe Zumbo can demo it on camera?

Three 44s

[buckweet]

i'll just stick with my AR .223
does everything i wants it to do.


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[StarMetal]

The 30 AR Remington is different from an AR15 and an AR10. First off it has a standard AR15 lower. The bolt is an AR10 size bolt head, but the back portion of the bolt fits an AR 15 carrier. Thus the 30 AR has an AR 15 carrier. Because the bolt head is AR 10 size the barrel extension has to be AR 10 size, thus the upper receiver receiving the barrel has to be larger. Now the upper receiver is thicker, but not as thick as an AR 10 receiver. The bore through the receiver for the carrier is still AR 15 size. Alright...so now we're dealing with an AR 10 and barrel extension which can take lots more pressure then an AR 15. As to why Remington down loaded the 125 and 130 grain loads for it I don't know. I would bet with reloads you can put it back up there with no harm.

It would be one heck of a platform to build wildcats off of.

Joe

[clodhopper]

Bggest problem I see is remington is always building a new cartridge so they can abandon it.
It was an awful long dry spell for the 5mm rim fires.
.244/6mm remington just one source of ammo for non reloaders.
.260 remington won't be long now.
25-06, 6.5 rem mag, 8mm mag, 350 rem mag,
no thanks big green R.
When my rock river NM wears out I will be looking at a compass lakes .223

[StarMetal]

Bggest problem I see is remington is always building a new cartridge so they can abandon it.
It was an awful long dry spell for the 5mm rim fires.
.244/6mm remington just one source of ammo for non reloaders.
.260 remington won't be long now.
25-06, 6.5 rem mag, 8mm mag, 350 rem mag,
no thanks big green R.
When my rock river NM wears out I will be looking at a compass lakes .223

clodhopper,

I believe your right. I'm shocked how fast they basically abandoned the 6.8 Rem. I bet they got wind that the military wasn't going to adopt in any major manner so Remington said the heck with it.

Take into consideration some of the guns and cartridges that they came out for...the people just weren't ready for them. I think if they came out with the 5mm Rem today it would go over much better.

Have you noticed that some of the ones that stay for them factory versions of wildcats? 22-250, 7mm-08, 25-06, etc..

Joe

[Lloyd Smale]

i looked at it when i ordered my 762x39 bushmaster but id just didnt make sense. Its slower brass is more expensive and i can still get wolf cheap for blasting with the 762x39

[Hickory]

The 30 Rem was developed to compete with the 30-30,
way back when Remington interduced the model 8.

[StarMetal]

Speaking of that 30 Rem the 6.8 Rem was based off that brass. When Remington finally was producing the ammo the cases are much thicker in the web then the original 30 Rem and a warning was made not to size 30 Rem down into 6.8 Rem.

I will admit the cartridge for the 30 R15 is goofy because the platform is exceptionally strong.

Don't know if you fellows heard of MGI but it's a little outfit into AR and they make modular lowers. For those that don't know what they are, they are an AR15 lower that the front part of from the rear of the magazine well can come apart. That is the it is dovetailed so you can switch to a different longer magazine well. Marty talked about building up some 6.5 Carcano's with this system. Also talked about a 35 Rem. He has completed a gas operated (note not blow back) 7.62x25 Tokarev AR 15. The reason for gas operated is because it eliminates the heavy bolts used for pistol cartridges in AR's like the 9mm and up.

Joe