Primer for Blackhawk 45 Colt?

[Naphtali]

Are Large Pistol Magnum primers safe to use with 45 Colt cartridges intended for use in Ruger Blackhawk 45 Colt (and FA M97s), using 280-310-grain cast bullets ONLY and H110 and TiteGroup ONLY in Winchester and Starline brass ONLY -- when using published printed Hodgdon's loading data ONLY?

Whether or not there is an external ballistic advantage or disadvantage does not matter. I only want to determine whether it is safe.

[felix]

Safe, but you might not like the accuracy results. ... felix

[44man]

No problem at all but I do get better accuracy with a Federal 150 and 296.
I tried some WLP primers and they look real promising, I just have not had time to work with them more.
Like the .44 you want heat without primer pressure for accuracy.
Your best bet is to test each primer side by side to see what shoots best for you.

[45nut]

Your best bet is to test each primer side by side to see what shoots best for you.

Yep! Agree!

[Trey45]

Doesn't H110 require a magnum primer anyhow for proper ignition?

[Potsy]

I remember the last thread on this.
I'm gonna go get some popcorn.
I've always heard Magnum for H-110, W-296, Lil'Gun, and possibly 4227. Standard for everything else.
I'll admit right up front that that's how I've always loaded and not tested any further. I have no proof that is correct other than it has always worked for me.

[targetshootr]

I believe WLPs say "standard or magnum" on the box. They're all I bother with.

[44man]

I believe WLPs say "standard or magnum" on the box. They're all I bother with.
Yes, I believe they are hot with a lower pressure. Good primer.
My groups with mag primers are 3X larger then with standard primers. I don't move to mags until I load the .475.
I even cut down .460 brass to .454 and had good ignition with a LP standard primer but the case size is at the point that a mag primer was more accurate. Not my gun but a LP primer beat the pants off a SR mag primer.

[Ridgerunner]

In my Accusport Bisley, 5.5" barrel, the WLP work great with 20 gr. 4227 and a 250 Keith. Accurate, easy on the shooting hand and seem to pack a wallop. I use the WLP for all my large pistol cases, and don't notice any problems. Good overall accuracy all around in .41Mag, .44Spl., .44 Mag, .45ACP, .45 AR, .45 Long Colt....

[ole 5 hole group]

I believe John Linebaugh recommends WLP primers in the 45 Colt and his 475 and 500 Linebaugh's, as they give magnum performance with less pressure according to his testing with the pressure barrel. I switched over and according to my chronograph (Oehler 33) the WLP gives 25 to 30 fps less than other magnum primers. In full house loads I take comfort with the knowledge my pressure is lower but the felt pain index isn't able to tell any difference. That pain index went off the scale last week when the chronograph read 1,546 fps with a 440 grain HC in the Linebaugh 500 Maximum using the WLP primer. I see no need to ever repeat that experience even though it shot a 3-shot 2" group at 25 meters and my front sight was moving a little in anticipation of the recoil after that 1st shot "experience".:D

[gon2shoot]

I've used mag primers ( because I had some) and had rather unsatisfing results.

If thats all ya got use them, for my "Ruger only" loads. CCI seem to be the best preformer. Of course thats my gun, my loads etc.etc.

I have 7 45colts and have three different sizers (need one more) and at least 4 pet loads. Aint this fun ? [smilie=l:

[runfiverun]

definately test the different primers iv'e used mag primers in the 44 with 2400.
and gotten better groups as well as better powder ignition.
i hae never had to use mag primers with h-110 though.

[Lloyd Smale]

I dont think your going to want to use them with titegroup but ive had my best luck in 45 colts with 110 using mag primers. Even with aa9 and 2400 my load data shows a preference for mag primers. Switch to the 44mag and ive had better luck with ww primers. I hunt where it gets very cold and i ALLWAYS use mag primers with 110 and aa9. Ive had to many problems at the range when it was cold using std. primers. They might work well in the summer or where its warm but im not going to work up a seperate summer and winter load for a gun.

[pdawg_shooter]

The ONLY difference between H110 and WW296 is the box it comes in. They come from the same manufacture out of the same spout. Ask Hodgen.

[44man]

The ONLY difference between H110 and WW296 is the box it comes in. They come from the same manufacture out of the same spout. Ask Hodgen.
That's true and I think the burn rate might be the same today. But back when WW was separate, H110 was a tad slower in burn rate. I would find accuracy differences in different guns.

[JesterGrin_1]

The ONLY difference between H110 and WW296 is the box it comes in. They come from the same manufacture out of the same spout. Ask Hodgen.

Yep Same Stuff. I think you said it word for word from the new Reloader Mag :).

So why does W-296 cost more than H-110 lol.

[felix]

Powders are NOT the same unless the LOT numbers are. ... felix

[Trey45]

This PDF was sent to me about a week ago.
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/album.php?albumid=212&pictureid=1336

[44man]

Powders are NOT the same unless the LOT numbers are. ... felix
That is true but it never bothered me except for a small change in the measure setting. However the old H110 would never shoot from my SBH, SRH or Vaquero but worked like a charm in the RH. 296 would not shoot from the RH at all.
Funny how subtle differences work. Even though H110 was cheaper I needed 296.
I have no idea what the situation is today because all I buy is 296. If 296 and H110 are still packaged at the original burn rates, I will stay with 296.
296 must be the same because my accuracy has not changed. My question is, does Hodgdon purchase the same powder burn rate now and stick it in different bottles, or is there still a burn rate difference?
Some think it was not important but when you want sub 1" groups from revolvers at 50 yards, it sure does make a huge difference.
NO, a simple load change never made H110 equal 296 or vice versa.

[felix]

Trey, do not pay attention to that article. The last sentence would be correct, however, in terms of MARKETING. YES, you can load the powders the same and still be within the reloading manual spec. ... felix

[JesterGrin_1]

Well they say now that both powders H-110 and W-296 come from the same spout. So have they gone to the same burn rate as the W-296 or the H-110. Confusing to say the least.

[felix]

Check the LOT numbers on each can you buy. That is the ONLY guarantee, and even that is not iron clad because of storage conditions. Always buy powder in a large lot from the very same location when seeking a general speed range. ... felix