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Hubertus
09-08-2009, 02:39 PM
A while ago I enquired Felix about the possibility to alter the recipe. He said go for it.

Well here it comes:
I wanted to use this for a 45-70 with smokeless– the speed/pressure should be moderate.

At first I wanted to do a little test batch and see how this goes.
Here is what I used, based on the FWFL formula (sorry I am a metric guy):
65 gram Beeswax
10 ml Paraffin HT (pure liquid paraffin)
5 ml Jojoba oil
5 ml Cetyl alcohol
1 teaspoon Lanolin
1 gram Carnauba (flakes)

As you probably can see I replaced the castor oil with jojoba oil. That eliminates the need to cook the recommended time. It is rather a melting and merging. As well I replaced the Ivory soap with Cetyl alcohol. This is a solid coagulator sold as coarse powder; you can get this at the drugstore or via the internet at the hobby soap and cream making supplier websites.

The process of making it went very smooth. But the pan lubing didn’t (I tried only 10 boolits). The groves weren’t filled or it broke out when pushing the boolits out of the cake. Well I thought it might be too soft and did another batch, of course I used the remainder of the previous one as a starter. I added ingredients until I reached this final composition:

90 gram Beeswax
15 ml Paraffin HT (pure liquid paraffin)
10 ml Jojoba oil
6 ml Cetyl alcohol
1 teaspoon Lanolin
2 gram Carnauba


Still pan lubing was not very successful but that might be due to cold boolits or my technique to remove the boolits. I will try further, but in the end I wanted to find out whether it is good for the application or not, so I applied it by hand and scraped off the excess with a plastic spoon handle.

Well, after every shot I looked through the bore and after every third one sent a dry patch through it with an undersized holder just to push out loose particles. AND
Nothing, no trace of lead visible. The speed was up to about 1700fps with a 340 grain boolit, no GC.

After the lubed I shot some paper patched boolits and stayed with the 3 shot routine of pushing the particles out. Nothing to be found.
Showing the bore to one fellow shooter at the end of the session, I got “it looks like it has not been fired”.

Cleaning took two sprays of Cito cleaning oil and 10 patches. The 10th came out white.


If you are interested in the range report look here:
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=62183

Hubertus

44man
09-08-2009, 02:53 PM
But, it is no longer Felix lube, it is your own concoction.

Hubertus
09-08-2009, 02:59 PM
Of course, you are right.
:smile: I asked Felix about his take on it and he said go.
Although it is not FWFL it is based on it and he did a lot of research and development. Basically I don't want to rip off his work and put my name on it.

Hubertus

geargnasher
09-10-2009, 11:26 PM
Are you still going to try making and shooting it? I think if it works well we could call it Hubertus Lube [smilie=1:.

Nah, on second thought it might be mistaken for something else :oops:

Gear

Hubertus
09-11-2009, 03:55 AM
:bigsmyl2:

See you are already mistook it for something else [smilie=l:

I don't know what to call it and don't know whether I should even bother to give it a name. As long as it works for me and I have the ingredients readily and cheaply available it is a lube that I am working with.

I just reported the outcome of my test, because Felix asked me during the idea exchange to come back with the recipe.

Hubertus

Here are some pics of the making process, if you are interested:
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz157/Hubertus_album/lube/IMG00154-20090731-2019-1.jpg
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz157/Hubertus_album/lube/IMG00159-20090801-2108.jpg
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz157/Hubertus_album/lube/IMG00158-20090801-2108.jpg
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz157/Hubertus_album/lube/IMG00160-20090801-2142.jpg
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz157/Hubertus_album/lube/IMG00156-20090801-2052.jpg
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz157/Hubertus_album/lube/IMG00162-20090802-2044.jpg
http://i823.photobucket.com/albums/zz157/Hubertus_album/lube/IMG00157-20090801-2054.jpg

1874Sharps
09-11-2009, 12:46 PM
Hubertus,

Very nice work. The bottom line is that it works well and is that not what counts?

Edubya
09-11-2009, 04:03 PM
Hubertus, That's great that you can go outside of the box and still get the end results that you wanted.
I'm going to suggest that you try making a a "cookie cutter" to retrieve your bullets from the the lube. I used an old metal golf club shaft to make a few of them. The shaft is tapered and it allows me to punch out a bunch of pan lubed bullets without stopping. I dropped the bullet down the large end and measured it's depth with a dowel and cut it off with a tubing cutter.
EW

Vly
09-11-2009, 06:00 PM
EW - That is a pretty slick idea. And you can buy old golf clubs for little money at yard sales. Very clever! :cool:

wiljen
09-11-2009, 07:07 PM
I've got a batch of felix made up with Soy wax instead of beeswax to try - but havent gotten to shoot any of it yet. I can say that to get the same consistency you do have to increase the amount of wax and stearate compared to the original recipe. the Cetyl Alcohol might be a good change too.

1874Sharps
09-11-2009, 07:18 PM
Hubertus,

You could make a cookie cutter out of a 45-70 case as well. If you bore out the rimmed end, or just cut it off, you will have a tube of the correct size to slip over and extract the boolit from the lube and then punch it out with a dowel. It is cheap and works quite well.

Edubya
09-11-2009, 07:27 PM
EW - That is a pretty slick idea. And you can buy old golf clubs for little money at yard sales. Very clever! :cool:
If you check at the local golf shop, they might have a few that they would give you. When they reshaft clubs they usually throw the old ones away. That's where I got mine. If they ask what you want them for, just tell them it's for tomato stakes or something. Just be sure that you ask specifically for "steel shafts".
EW

PS: Once you have the bullets out of the lube, just set the next bunch of bullets in the vacant holes and heat it up again either in an oven or a hair dryer type heat gun. You may have to add additional lube.

geargnasher
09-11-2009, 09:13 PM
Thanks for the pics and report, it looks good, no separation, correct consistency to apply and handle, and most of all no leading!

I may try a batch of classic Felix using cetyl alcohol instead of soap, the soap is a real hassle to work with imo.

Gear

Hubertus
09-12-2009, 03:18 PM
Thank you Gentlemen for the nice tips on the cookie cutter.
I might go with the used cartridge and see what I can do, since we do not have any Golf shops in town. ... Does that make me redneck or no-sport :bigsmyl2:? Nah, I guess it just makes me a guy living in a small town

1874Sharps, exactly - as long as it works, that's what counts...
Do you shoot SP as well or only BP?

I mentioned earlier, I might still have to do some more testing I was quite happy with the results. The velocity range I used was max 1700 fps plus I shot some paper patched boolits afterwards. Those might have added to the cleaning effect. But still during the test with the lubed boolits ther was no trace of lead visible.

Gear, the cetyl was very easy to use. In one of the pics up the page it is the white globular stuff on the left side. It dissolved very easy in the hot Paraffin-Jojoba mix.
I did not cook the P-J because it is not necessary in case there is no castor oil involved. Therefore I cannot say how the mix reacts if you pour the cetyl into hotter liquid.

Hubertus