Hot 45 LC?

[750k2]

What is the heaviest bullet weight for 1250-1300fps in a 5.5 Bisley Ruger?
Thanks

[DanWalker]

I've gotten The 300 grain LEE boolit to that speed. It weighed 320 grains with GC and lube, when cast from WW alloy.
Recoil from that boolit at that velocity in my 5.5 inch barrel was way more fun than I wanted to have though.

[yondering]

I shoot the 330gr lyman 45/70 HP Gould boolit (sized down) to about 1250fps in my 5" Bisley. Recoil is brisk but controllable with the Bisley grip. It's brutal with the standard blackhawk grip. It's very accurate and shoots to the same point of aim at 25 yards as my 255gr/1050fps plinker load.

[jh45gun]

Why Hotrod it there are no Grizzlies here in WI? If your going to use it for deer I find that the standard loads with a 250 to 255 grain bullet would work just fine and is what I plan to use.

[Tom W.]

Why Hotrod it there are no Grizzlies here in WI? If your going to use it for deer I find that the standard loads with a 250 to 255 grain bullet would work just fine and is what I plan to use.


Just Because.....:bigsmyl2:

[jh45gun]

Just Because.....:bigsmyl2:

True but I never hotrod any loading as I find the milder loadings kill just as well and they do not punish the gun or me.

[Lloyd Smale]

something about 320 grain is about all you want to push to 1300 in a 6 shot ruger large framed gun. Ive pushed 350s to that speed but i think it beats the gun up a bit to much at least in a blackhawk. the redhawk will easily push a 350 to those speeds though.

[750k2]

Lookin to use it on Deer and Hogs.
I am going to design my own mold and will probably go with a Keith style
as all my 44's have like it and Elmer can't be wrong.
Don't mind beating on it a little but thinkin on a 280-290 range.
Should give me what I want - I think.

[44man]

I shoot the LBT 335 gr from my 7-1/2" Vaquero and with 21.5 gr of 296 I get 1160 fps. It is deadly accurate. I never found a need to push it faster because groups start to open as powder is added. It has never let me down on deer and nothing stops the boolit, even a 16" tree will not faze it.
I would say 280 to 300 gr would be great but I don't think you will get the accuracy from a Keith, I know I can't, from any of my revolvers. They will be good enough to hunt with but I prefer a WLN , WFN or RNFP.
I suggest working loads for the best groups and forget about how fast you can go. Animals die faster when you hit them then they do from slinging super fast boolits in their direction. :mrgreen:
My Vaquero will do this at 50 yards. Deer die before my boolits hit them because they know it is all over! :Fire:
By the way, that is 5 shots.

[jh45gun]

Lookin to use it on Deer and Hogs.
I am going to design my own mold and will probably go with a Keith style
as all my 44's have like it and Elmer can't be wrong.
Don't mind beating on it a little but thinkin on a 280-290 range.
Should give me what I want - I think.


A standard loaded Colt 45 with a 250 grain bullet will kill any deer or hog for that matter. Before any one says how tough hogs are I know a guy who shoots them with a Contender Carbine chambered in 22 SHORT. Kills them dead too but it is all bullet placement and knowing your limits.

[9.3X62AL]

A standard loaded Colt 45 with a 250 grain bullet will kill any deer or hog for that matter.

Kinda my view, too. My most-blooded rifle by a long margin is a Model '73 Winchester in 44-40 WCF, used to take well over 200 deer during its 112-year lifespan. 200 grains barely making 1100 FPS at the target put them in the meat locker like clockwork. Place it well, and it will make venison for you.

[yondering]

A standard loaded Colt 45 with a 250 grain bullet will kill any deer or hog for that matter. Before any one says how tough hogs are I know a guy who shoots them with a Contender Carbine chambered in 22 SHORT. Kills them dead too but it is all bullet placement and knowing your limits.


Nobody said a weak factory 45 Colt wasn't good enough. Some of us like to hotrod our cars too; kinda the same principle. Some folks never will understand that. You can stay with the light loads if the recoil bothers you too much. Personally I enjoy the heavy stuff, to a point. Otherwise it's kinda like driving a race car at 1/4 throttle. [smilie=l:

[Bodydoc447]

I have had good luckwith this bullet out of my Bisley Vaquero. I used to load them pretty hot but the deer and hogs didn't know the difference when I backed off a little. 10.0 grains of Unique will kill them dead and that is what I wanted. You can certainly push this bullet much faster with accuracy.

Good luck,
Doc

[jh45gun]

Nobody said a weak factory 45 Colt wasn't good enough. Some of us like to hotrod our cars too; kinda the same principle. Some folks never will understand that. You can stay with the light loads if the recoil bothers you too much. Personally I enjoy the heavy stuff, to a point. Otherwise it's kinda like driving a race car at 1/4 throttle. [smilie=l:


Big difference between hot rod cars and hot cartridges. I can stand as much recoil as anyone but WHY should I subject my self to that? Milder loads are more pleasant to shoot and get the job done. I do not load any of my reloads hot and that includes my 6.5 Swede I use for deer I do not need to it does the job well in the moderate loadings. Some folks think a 300 mag is good deer medicine too but I can get by with my Swede or a cast loaded 30/30 for that matter. It is a proven fact hotter loads are harder on the brass and on the gun. Why shake the gun all to heck to prove some macho point? Besides that I have a thing about powder I prefer to get the most out of my loads with the least amoount of powder I can and still get the job done.



Oh as far as hot rod cars go yea they are cool but what good are they? No really in this day and age you break the speed limit your gonna get busted and pay tickets. Burn the tires same thing cops will get you. This is not the 50's or 60s anymore where you can go out and put the pedal to the medal it just does not work. Expecially in this day and age of every one a doo gooder with a cell phone.

You want to shoot hot loads great go for it but I will stick with what works for me. Oh one other thing a lot of times a milder load will just plain shoot better then a mag load. Yea some times they shoot well too but I prefer the standard or milder load.

[shotman]

The thing about the heavy loads in 45 LC is the brass is too thin. If I were going to load that heavy I would use 454 brass cut down.I loaded about 25 hot 45s and shot in a s&w 460 6 brass split. rick

[ebner glocken]

I used to load .45 LC very hot. I found that some hot .45s shot very well and some didn't. After buying other handguns that would out perform the .45 LC no matter how hot I loaded it; I found out that milder loads would also shoot well out of the LC.

I don't regret this expermentation as now I feel as I know the full spectrum that a .45 ruger bisley will handle. After knowing this now I don't feel the need to push a 250 grain much more than 1000fps, more often than not it they are not pushed much beyond 850fps. My wife can shoot these w/o any problems.

Don't get me wrong, I love big boomers as well as the next guy.......it just isn't the .45 LC anymore.

Ebner

[yondering]

The thing about the heavy loads in 45 LC is the brass is too thin.

That is not correct. Modern 45 Colt brass thickness is pretty much the same as 44 Mag. Try sectioning one of each for comparison. This is just another bit of misinformation that people keep repeating without actually checking for themselves.

[bisley45]

I shoot the LBT 335 gr from my 7-1/2" Vaquero and with 21.5 gr of 296 I get 1160 fps. It is deadly accurate. I never found a need to push it faster because groups start to open as powder is added. It has never let me down on deer and nothing stops the boolit, even a 16" tree will not faze it.
I would say 280 to 300 gr would be great but I don't think you will get the accuracy from a Keith, I know I can't, from any of my revolvers. They will be good enough to hunt with but I prefer a WLN , WFN or RNFP.
I suggest working loads for the best groups and forget about how fast you can go. Animals die faster when you hit them then they do from slinging super fast boolits in their direction. :mrgreen:
My Vaquero will do this at 50 yards. Deer die before my boolits hit them because they know it is all over! :Fire:
By the way, that is 5 shots.

I have to agree with 44man I shoot the 300gr lee out of my 5.5" bisley and my 7.5" redhawk and are very accurate and by the way 21.5 of h110 or 296 is my load to this target was shot at 50yds
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y182/lisa1lacy2/my%20guns/4-30-06003.jpg

[yondering]

I have to agree with 44man I shoot the 300gr lee out of my 5.5" bisley and my 7.5" redhawk and are very accurate and by the way 21.5 of h110 or 296 is my load to this target was shot at 50yds

Nice shootin! That Lee 300gr sure is a good boolit.
What primers are you using?

[44man]

I have the 300 gr Lee also and it shoots like that. I use a Federal 150 primer with my loads but the WW primer is also great.
No need for a full magnum primer.

[GLynn41]

when I had a good .45 Bhawk I shot a Thompson 265 gr gc - st 1360 // killed deer well--I also used the lee 310 and the grip frame BROKE -- so while I had the gun it was 265 only -- then I went back to my .41 s

[gon2shoot]

I used to push my revolver loads, including the 335gr 45 pretty hard (hence the tag line), untill I did did some test on carcases.

Now I dont use near as much lead or powder, :wink:

[Catshooter]

I have read on the interweb that the hot 300 grainers tend to break the aluminum grip frame. Never done it myself, nor even seen it done, so take it for what it's worth to ya.


Cat

[Tom W.]

I use my .45 Colt for plinking now, but have loaded it up "just to see." I found out that the RCBS 270 SAA shoots really well out of it, but I did load up a few Lee 300 grain bullets the other day... Gotta touch them off and see if I like it or not. If I want big boomers, I have my 454 for that...

[NickSS]

I mostly shoot standard loads in the 45 colt revolvers but I decided to use my 45 colt carbine to hunt with a few years ago and I wanted flatter trajectory. So I loaded up some to what I consider hot loads. I used Speer 225 gr jhp bullets and 31 gr of AA1680 powder. I never did chrono the load but it shot flat enough that when zeroed at 125 yards it would hit a deer without hold over out to nearly 200 yards. I killed a deer with it at roughly 80 yards and the animal went down like right now. Never loaded any more of them as they kicked hard in my Puma carbine

[cajun shooter]

Shotman, You are passing on false info on the 45 Colt. This mis-information keeps being repeated as yondering also stated. It all started when people like Elmer Keith was hot rodding the 44 spl. Everyone who tried to look at the 45 Colt was told you can't do that the case is too weak. They were talking about the old balloon head cases and they were in fact very weak. I just finished reading where they surpassed the mighty 44 mag with the 45 Colt in several different loadings on a test of side by side comparison.

[TAWILDCATT]

I wonder how long before your wrist bones start to ache.that seems why they
sell padded gloves.me I will stick to standard loads or less.I guess age makes
me less interested in pushing the limits.:coffeecom

[Potsy]

Admittedly, I've never shot a deer with my bisley (tryin' though!!!!).
But one thing I've noticed, when shooting at anything else (wood posts, phone books, etc.) is that there is very little a 454424 260 grain Keith at 1000 fps won't go plumb through.
I run my deer loads to 1200 just because I can (and they shoot just a little better).

[KCSO]

The Keith bullet at 1250 was my bear load when backpacking. It wasn't a nice plinking load from a 5 1/2" Ruger but it was effective and 30 years ago recoil wasn't a problem. Now Uncle Arthur has come to live and I don't shoot a lot of these anymore. If they would have had 300 grain bullets in 1975 I would have been shooting them as this was all the grizzly protection I could carry when backpacking the Rockies.

[jh45gun]

It does not take a lot of speed when your using a heavy lead bullet to penitrate like crazy. A standard load with a heavy bullet will work just fine with out hot rodding it.

[bisley45]

Nice shootin! That Lee 300gr sure is a good boolit.
What primers are you using?

I use the fed 150 or the cci standerd LP primers. 44man is right no need for mag primers.

by the way I have found another load that shoots just as good as the 21.5 gr load. It is 9.5 gr of uniqe with the 300gr lee at about 1100 fps and it has very mild recoil just thought I would share

[44man]

I worked up a wonderful load using HS-6 in my .475 for reduced recoil. I have not tried the powder in other calibers but wonder what it would do in the .45. Has anyone worked with it?

[runfiverun]

i havent but have always thought of hs-6 as the shotgun version of 2400.
which is what i stick to for my colt loads,amazingly it's the same load i use in my 44 mag
just with a slightly heavier version of the 429421 boolit 454 sumthin.
19 grs,bout all i will ever use now. especially since my dillon powder drop is stuck right on 19.2 grs and won't move.
darn the luck :lol:

[jandbn]

I know W296/H110 is the typical hot rodding powder, but I have 20+ year old can of IMR4227 I would like to use a long with the bottle of H110 I just purchased for a Bisley 45 5 1/2" that is on the way. The plan is for accuracy above standard 45 Colt velocity. I would like 1100-1200 fps for 325 gr CP LFN PB's, with closer to 1100 being better. IMR4227 should fill the case nicely for the intended velocity. I know H110 needs pressure to burn efficiently. What is the opinion of using H110 for my target velocity of 1100-1200 using a 325 gr? Will I get a good burn from H110 for my desired velocity? Or do I need to hot rod H110 to make it worth while using with the 325 gr?

[bobke]

44 man-
a very long time ago when john linebaugh was just starting to convert 45 colts, i had him build me one and the target supplied with the gun was fired with 300gr bullet and hs6, and it was pretty much a one holer. try the thread below for some further reference to hs6.

http://www.customsixguns.com/writings/dissolving_the_myth.htm

[44man]

I know W296/H110 is the typical hot rodding powder, but I have 20+ year old can of IMR4227 I would like to use a long with the bottle of H110 I just purchased for a Bisley 45 5 1/2" that is on the way. The plan is for accuracy above standard 45 Colt velocity. I would like 1100-1200 fps for 325 gr CP LFN PB's, with closer to 1100 being better. IMR4227 should fill the case nicely for the intended velocity. I know H110 needs pressure to burn efficiently. What is the opinion of using H110 for my target velocity of 1100-1200 using a 325 gr? Will I get a good burn from H110 for my desired velocity? Or do I need to hot rod H110 to make it worth while using with the 325 gr?
I use 21.5 gr of 296 with the 335 gr so you can work around there and maybe try 22 gr. I use a Federal 150 STD primer. My velocity is 1160 fps. I have very tight neck tension.
I do not like 4227 in the larger cases, it gave me fits in the .44 and only worked for me in the .357 max.
Bobke, I read that long ago and missed the HS-6 loads. I will have to try it, thanks.

[750k2]

Awesome bobke[smilie=w:
Exactly what I was lookin for.

[yondering]

I use 21.5 gr of 296 with the 335 gr so you can work around there and maybe try 22 gr. I use a Federal 150 STD primer. My velocity is 1160 fps. I have very tight neck tension.

I'll second that. That boolit is heavy enough, you won't have burn issues with H110 at 1100 fps.

[jandbn]

Thanks guys. I was hoping for some affirmation for the H110. I was hoping to also use the IMR4227, but after 44man's comments and knowing it is slower than H110, I may just have to hang on to it for other use. I have some 2400, but I don't think I have enough to do a work up. Maybe rather than hot rod, I could do the reverse and get plinker powder so the better half can shoot it comfortably. She likes to shoot, so maybe HS-6 or something similar and lighter boolits is in order.

[Gray Fox]

Last week I tried Linebaugh's load of 13.0 of HS-6 under a 275 SAA sized to .454 out of a red box Ruger 7.5" blackhawk. (A strange side note here, this gun has the cylinder bored with recessed cartridge rims and a corresponeding narrow gap to the breech face. I have another Red Box of the same model that has a normal cylinder. Anyone know why the two types were made?) It has an old 3X Tasco scope on it and at about 110 yards I dropped 3 consecutive shots into a soda can off a bag rest.

During the same session, however, I learned that the load is more fun than I want to shoot often out of my .45 Colt Mountain Gun. I may try that bullet sized to .452 with the 9.5 grains of Unique mentioned above, or perhaps Universal Clays, which I do find burns cleaner and seems to recoil less than the same charges of Unique.

My usual walk about load in any of my .45 Colts is Linebaugh's other favorite load of 8.0 of 231, in this case under a Lee 250 RF tumble lubed as cast which for me is about .453 from ACWW. It is a good solid load that doesn't abuse my aging wrist. This load would probably do the job if placed well on my GA deer, and an eatin' sized hog. I hope to find out this fall. GF