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Bob J
08-27-2009, 09:53 AM
Might be a good time to stock up.....;-)

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125132910522062107.html#mod=todays_us_money_and_ investing


By MATTHEW WALLS

LONDON -- Lead prices rose, continuing a rally this week due to the threat of widespread closures at Chinese smelters after reports of lead poisonings there.

Prices likely are to stay supported at the higher levels until Chinese government authorities announce how they will respond to lead-poisoning cases, analysts said.

Lead for delivery in three months closed up $61, to $2,086 a metric ton, on the London Metal Exchange. After touching a one-year high Wednesday, prices fell back amid a commodities selloff and a stronger dollar. The PM kerb price -- a level used by clearinghouses to determine margin requirements -- was down $10 to $2,050 a metric ton.

Lead has rallied 12% since Monday after news reports suggested that if Chinese smelters were to close it could potentially affect a total of 400,000 metric tons of annualized capacity.

China produces a third of the world's lead, and inventories on the exchange remain relatively low at less than five days of annual world consumption.

"As long as this goes on, the surplus will go down and we could indeed shift into a deficit," said RBS Global Banking and Markets commodity analyst Stephen Briggs.

About 80% of lead is used in automotive and industrial batteries. Unlike most other metals, about 50% of annual lead supply comes from recycling of lead-acid batteries.

Worries of shutdowns began to spread after villagers stormed a lead smelter in Shaanxi province to protest lead poisoning of children, and a second case of lead poisoning emerged at a manganese smelter in the central province of Hunan.

It remains unclear on how much capacity has been shuttered, with agencies reporting widely different estimates. That uncertainty should underpin prices, analysts said.

If Chinese authorities do close 300,000 tons or more of capacity as they investigate whether smelters meet government environmental standards, the loss of output could tighten the market, analysts said.

"It's a massive threat," said David Thurtell, an analyst at Citigroup in London. "We can go a lot higher," adding a rally above $3,000 a ton is possible.

Two factors that could restrain a rally are large unreported inventories of lead believed to have been stockpiled in China this year and sluggish demand outside of China.

But evidence of the purported lead stockpiled in China is only anecdotal, and that uncertainty may keep the market sensitive to supply shortages, analysts said.

jim4065
08-27-2009, 10:11 AM
It's always a good time to stock up. ;-)

Dale53
08-27-2009, 11:23 AM
It's always a good time to stock up. ;-)

The mantra of the serious bullet caster!!

I agree 100%. I've been around a LONG time:groner:, and I have never seen a time when I was unhappy that I had a lead supply (not even when I was moving:drinks: - that was easily solved by enlisting the aid of other bullet casters who COMPLETELY understood).

Dale53

mold maker
08-27-2009, 01:49 PM
http://www.universalwrecking.com/Sections-read-37.html
Universal Wrecking is paying .06 more a lb for WW than a week ago. It is now at .28 a lb in less than truck loads.
The site shows the buying price of quiet a few lead products, including DROSS, which everybody throws away.
It is an easy to find and read source for prices. Remember their price is what they pay, delivered to their site, not what it's worth by the bucket at the tire dealer. There is at least one profit taken by the hauler/seller before this price.
Every yesterday, today, and tomorrow, is a good time to increase your casting, raw materials, stock pile.
Its doubtful if the prices will ever be this low again given the political climate we are under.
How long before it will be baned from sale.
An extra 100 lbs of the silver stream may turn into gold before long.

fredj338
08-27-2009, 01:54 PM
http://www.universalwrecking.com/Sections-read-37.html
Universal Wrecking is paying .06 more a lb for WW than a week ago. It is now at .28 a lb in less than truck loads.
The site shows the buying price of quiet a few lead products, including DROSS, which everybody throws away.
It is an easy to find and read source for prices. Remember their price is what they pay, delivered to their site, not what it's worth by the bucket at the tire dealer. There is at least one profit taken by the hauler/seller before this price.
Every yesterday, today, and tomorrow, is a good time to increase your casting, raw materials, stock pile.
Its doubtful if the prices will ever be this low again given the political climate we are under.
How long before it will be baned from sale.
An extra 100 lbs of the silver stream may turn into gold before long.
I agree. The WW ban is comming sooner than later nationwide. It's starting in something like 6-7 states Jan. 2010. My tire guy has been buying non lead ww since June to avoid having stock he can not use. Buckets I got from him las Feb. were 90% useable lead. The 200# I got yesterday is probably down to 75% lead, the rest is steel, zinc, alum. & some plastic wts. So I will take lead supply when I can get it, even though I am doing very little casting right now.

Firebricker
08-28-2009, 09:15 AM
I can't see China worring to much abought poisoning a village full of children. Their only too happy to send their garbage products and toys covered in lead paint us. FB

finishman2000
08-28-2009, 09:30 AM
and we're just as happy to buy their products because of the loooooow cost.