Gotta love the .41!

[Larry Gibson]

Helped a friend load up about 450 .41 Mag loads for his RBH with 6" barrel this last week. He'd picked up 500 HSM commercial cast 210 gr SWCs. We loaded 12 of them over 11 gr of 4756, a load that was exceptional in my previously owned M57 and M58. We went to the range (I'm fortunate in that TR&R is only 2 miles from the house) and test fired them. While they seemed to shoot well leading was apparent in the throats and forcing cone area of the barrel after just the 12 rounds. Went back home and washed the hard wax lube off and relubed them with Javelina. Loaded all his remaining cases up (doesn't take long on Dillon Square Deal) and had about 30 bullets left so I loaded them in my cases. I managed to get to the range yesterday. Put the six I chronographed into 1 1/2" at 25 yards out of my Ruger Bisley with 7 1/2" barrel. They ran 1294 fps with SD of 12 and ES of 39. Seemed good enough for general use and I'd not hesitate to hunt deer with it.

I also had found 140 rounds of Speers 220 SWC and Sierra"s 210 gr HC loaded over 19.5 gr of 296 when I cleaned out my ammo cabinet a couple weeks ago. I'd loaded thes 30+ years ago for use in the M57 and M58. My old notes indicate these were max loads for those two revolvers and quite accurate. I decided I might as well see how they'd do in the Ruger. The Speers ran 1364 fps and 12 went in right at 2". The Sierra's ran 1352 and 12 went into 1 1/2". While not as "magnamitey" as my 210 gr Hornady XTP load for the Bisley they certainly aren't any slouches either. Good to know my handloads still work great after 30+ years!

Larry Gibson

[Dale53]

Larry;
Speaking of the .41 magnum, I noticed in my new Lyman Catalog that they do not catalog even ONE bullet mould for the .41 magnum. These companies are driving us to custom mould makers. All American business wants to do is to make millions of something. They seem to be uninterested in ANY niche marketing. I am a .44 man myself, but surely there is enough interest in the .41 to justify keeping a mould cherry on hand...

Rant over..

Dale53

[Larry Gibson]

Larry;
Speaking of the .41 magnum, I noticed in my new Lyman Catalog that they do not catalog even ONE bullet mould for the .41 magnum. These companies are driving us to custom mould makers. All American business wants to do is to make millions of something. They seem to be uninterested in ANY niche marketing. I am a .44 man myself, but surely there is enough interest in the .41 to justify keeping a mould cherry on hand...

Rant over..

Dale53

I think Lyman's problem was the only mould they carried for years was the GC mould. The RCBS 41-210 probably did the Lyman in. Also Lee's moulds still seem to be doing well in .41 although they did drop the best plinking bullet mould; the TL410-175. It casts a very nice 175 gr SWC bullet that over 5 gr of Bullseye runs 857 fps with excellent accuracy and little recoil. Great for small game and general plinking. It can be pushed faster but I generally jump up to a 210 gr SWC for more powerful loads. I think the 410-175 was made for the now defunct .41 Action Express cartridge. There is a very large following of the .41 Magnum out there and it's too bad Lyman didn't come up with a good 210-220 plain base Keith bullet mould for it.

Larry Gibson

[HORNET]

Lyman used to have the 410459 plain based 220 gr. Kieth SWC that Elmer used with 19.0 gr of OLD 2400 and a standard LP primer as well as a 41032 PB SWC that was available in about 3 different weights around 210 gr, IIRC.[smilie=1:

[HORNET]

Lyman used to have the 410459 plain based 220 gr. Kieth SWC that Elmer used with 19.0 gr of OLD 2400 and a standard LP primer as well as a 41032 PB SWC that was available in about 3 different weights around 210 gr, IIRC.[smilie=1:

[45 2.1]

Lyman used to have the 410459 plain based 220 gr. Kieth SWC that Elmer used with 19.0 gr of OLD 2400 and a standard LP primer as well as a 41032 PB SWC that was available in about 3 different weights around 210 gr, IIRC.[smilie=1:

Elmer didn't use the Lyman 410459 as he complained it wasn't his design. H&G was the mold cutter for his design and Saeco has a very close copy of it. The 41032 is probably THE most accurate 41 Mag boolit i've shot also. The Keith 41 design will get posted under a new thread when I get the final 358439 bullet to copy from GLL. This is Catshooters Keith series and it will include the 38, 41, 44 and 45 boolits, modernized little from what Keith samples I got to copy from.

[fatnhappy]

Lyman used to have the 410459 plain based 220 gr. Kieth SWC that Elmer used with 19.0 gr of OLD 2400 and a standard LP primer as well as a 41032 PB SWC that was available in about 3 different weights around 210 gr, IIRC.[smilie=1:


I have both. I use the 410459 most the time because it's DC, but the the 41032 is just as good a design. More like a TC nose (429360) than a keith.

I've been keeping an eye out for a 41028 but apparently they're scarcer than honest politicians. Supposedly it's a WFN design and should make a decent deer boolit.

[C1PNR]

I'd like to find either a 410 032 or 410 610 in a single cavity. I'd send it off to Buckshot for a hollow point and have myself one HECK of a fine Deer hunting boolit for my 6" M 57!:drinks:

For Boar I'll stick with the 410 459.8-)

[GregP42]

I'd like to find either a 410 032 or 410 610 in a single cavity. I'd send it off to Buckshot for a hollow point and have myself one HECK of a fine Deer hunting boolit for my 6" M 57!:drinks:

For Boar I'll stick with the 410 459.8-)


C1PNR,

I just saw both of these on fleebay this weekend so you might want to check there.

Greg

[C1PNR]

I do look in there now and then. Biggest problem is getting something for a decent price.

And then there are the people who seem to make at least a portion of their "profit" from the shipping and handling and "required" insurance charges.

Once in a great while a good deal goes down over there, but it usually happens when I'm out of the room!:confused:

[GregP42]

I do look in there now and then. Biggest problem is getting something for a decent price.

And then there are the people who seem to make at least a portion of their "profit" from the shipping and handling and "required" insurance charges.

Once in a great while a good deal goes down over there, but it usually happens when I'm out of the room!:confused:


I know what you mean, I missed out on a killer deal awhile back and have been kicking myself ever since. But there is not much else to do early in the morning when I take my break at work so I surf here and the bay.

Greg

[Bucks Owin]

Larry;
Speaking of the .41 magnum, I noticed in my new Lyman Catalog that they do not catalog even ONE bullet mould for the .41 magnum. These companies are driving us to custom mould makers. All American business wants to do is to make millions of something. They seem to be uninterested in ANY niche marketing. I am a .44 man myself, but surely there is enough interest in the .41 to justify keeping a mould cherry on hand...

Rant over..

Dale53


I hear you amigo! There are no .243 or .270 molds anymore either....(Although I imagine they have them in the "old stock" somewhere....)


As to the .41 mag, IMHO it'll do anything the ".429 mag" will do. That extra .019" of boolit diameter of the 44 mag ain't all that much! I figure if one has a .357, .41 and .45 Colt "magnum" you've got the caliber spectrum pretty well covered!

One thing I think would help the .41 mag is if the manufacturers would offer a heavier bullet (or two) in factory ammo.....

JMO,

Dennis

[JOE MACK]

I'd like to find either a 410 032 or 410 610 in a single cavity. I'd send it off to Buckshot for a hollow point and have myself one HECK of a fine Deer hunting boolit for my 6" M 57!:drinks:

For Boar I'll stick with the 410 459.8-)

Hey C1PNR,

I've got a single cavity 410 032 (actually a 41032 stamped on the mold) that looks to be LNIB I'll ship to you for a $20 bill. The only other stipulation is that when it's a hollow point, you'll cast me 100. How's that sound? I'd be happy to send the money for USPS flat fee shipping, too. What say you?:bigsmyl2:

JOE MACK

[45 2.1]

Hey C1PNR,

I've got a single cavity 410 032 that looks to be LNIB I'll ship to you for a $20 bill. The only other stipulation is that when it's a hollow point, you'll cast me 100. How's that sound? I'd be happy to send the money for USPS flat fee shipping, too. What say you?:bigsmyl2:

JOE MACK

Hey, if he don't take it, i will.

[Larry Gibson]

Hey, if he don't take it, i will.

Wait just a darn minute......I started this thread! If those two don't take it I will! LOLs!

Larry Gibson

[JOE MACK]

Hey, if he don't take it, i will.

What say I give C1PNR until tommorrow evening at 6pm Pacific to say yes or no since I offerred it to him first. If no or no response by then it's yours. I was brought up to play fair. :drinks:

[Catshooter]

Larry,

When we do the Keith series group buy in .41, I'll meet ya at TR&R to get yours to ya. You won't even have to pay shipping! I live about 6 miles away. Was there today shootin a 9 and 2 .45s.


Cat

[JOE MACK]

I think Lyman's problem was the only mould they carried for years was the GC mould. The RCBS 41-210 probably did the Lyman in. Also Lee's moulds still seem to be doing well in .41 although they did drop the best plinking bullet mould; the TL410-175. It casts a very nice 175 gr SWC bullet that over 5 gr of Bullseye runs 857 fps with excellent accuracy and little recoil. Great for small game and general plinking. It can be pushed faster but I generally jump up to a 210 gr SWC for more powerful loads. I think the 410-175 was made for the now defunct .41 Action Express cartridge. There is a very large following of the .41 Magnum out there and it's too bad Lyman didn't come up with a good 210-220 plain base Keith bullet mould for it.

Larry Gibson

I've never run across the TL410-175. I've got a 410639 that is a truncated cone of about 170gr. I use it in my .41AEs and a .41Avenger along with a 185 and 165gr truncated cone from LBT molds. Psst, don't tell fatnhappy, but I've also got a four cavity Lyman 41028 on the shelf, too. [smilie=1:

JOE MACK

[45 2.1]

What say I give C1PNR until tommorrow evening at 6pm Pacific to say yes or no since I offerred it to him first. If no or no response by then it's yours. I was brought up to play fair. :drinks:

OK by me, like I said, if he don't take it, I will.

[GregP42]

Larry,

When we do the Keith series group buy in .41, I'll meet ya at TR&R to get yours to ya. You won't even have to pay shipping! I live about 6 miles away. Was there today shootin a 9 and 2 .45s.


Cat

Cat,

There is going to be a group buy for a Keith boolit for the .41? Details details! Like I need more .41 choices!

Greg

[GLynn41]

I have a single 410459 and a double that needs work --my single cavity is nib -- I also have an old Saeco both are supposed to be 220 grains-- the saeco is a square groove and is much harder to get the bullet to turn loose - but i like it- anyway I would be interested in a another .41 K to go with my 275 SSk, 230 tl, and my 255wfngc-- I am mold poor -- btw killed my first handgun deer with the Lyman 410459 --so I am partial to keith plus I grew up reading him over and over:castmine:

[Larry Gibson]

Larry,

When we do the Keith series group buy in .41, I'll meet ya at TR&R to get yours to ya. You won't even have to pay shipping! I live about 6 miles away. Was there today shootin a 9 and 2 .45s.


Cat

Where is "6 miles away"? I live in University Place just off of Cirque and Alemeda about 2 miles from the range. Any idea when the K series buy will kick off? I'm looking at being at TR&R Monday morning around 1000 to test some TL410-210s in my Bisley. Ging to test some 45-70s and .35 Rems also. Are you available?

Larry Gibson

[45 2.1]

Cat,

There is going to be a group buy for a Keith boolit for the .41? Details details! Like I need more .41 choices!

Greg

Greg-
First viewing of the 41.

[Catshooter]

Larry,

I live just off of South Tacoma Way and 56th.

I will try to get to TR&R then, but I can't say for sure. I'm trying to get a job and might not be available. Work gets in the way of so much life, doesn't it?

The K series GBs are just waiting for one more sample to get to 45 2.1 so he can finish the 357 drawings.

Will you be on the rifle or pistol range?


Cat

[Larry Gibson]

Larry,

I live just off of South Tacoma Way and 56th.

I will try to get to TR&R then, but I can't say for sure. I'm trying to get a job and might not be available. Work gets in the way of so much life, doesn't it?

The K series GBs are just waiting for one more sample to get to 45 2.1 so he can finish the 357 drawings.

Will you be on the rifle or pistol range?


Cat

We are practically neighbors....I live by the traffic circle on Cirque (bottom of the hill after 56th turns into Cirque). I'll be on the main/rifle range to use the bench and chronograph. If you've got a minute give me a call this weekend. 564-6974.

Larry Gibson

[Catshooter]

I will Larry.


Cat

[GregP42]

Greg-
First viewing of the 41.


That is a sweet looking boolit. What wieght is it at right now? I like how the lube grove is sloped a little, it will make for a nicer release from the mould I think.

Greg

[lefty_red]

I'm in and will buy TWO if needed get the number up! I'm in need of an oversized bullet for my 41 Maggie.

Jerry

[Rick N Bama]

That is a sweet looking boolit. What wieght is it at right now? I like how the lube grove is sloped a little, it will make for a nicer release from the mould I think.

Greg

Like GregP42, I'm watching this thread waiting to see what weight the boolit will be. I'm in if it's around 240-260grs. The heavier boolits just seem to shoot better in my 41.

Rick

[45 2.1]

That is a sweet looking boolit. What wieght is it at right now? I like how the lube grove is sloped a little, it will make for a nicer release from the mould I think.

Greg

The Saeco copy and the H&G weigh between 219 and 226 gr. T%he GB will be about the same.

[Jon K]

I have a Lyman 410610, anybody interested? I've been drooling over a Saeco 220 TC.

Jon

[Larry Gibson]

I have a Lyman 410610, anybody interested? I've been drooling over a Saeco 220 TC.

Jon

Single, double, price? I'm interested, send me a PM.

Larry Gibson

[Bodydoc447]

I've got a Saeco #415 220 gr TCGC in 4 cavity. It is a really nice mould. You will love it! I am really looking forward to the Keith series in .41. I will likely buy two just to have the extra as a back-up. If it is like my H&G 210 SWC it will get quite a workout.

Doc

[dragonrider]

I have an older Lyman cast boolit handbook and it list 9 molds for the 41. One of which I have. 41028, 212 grn. plain base RNFP. Take a look.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/PaulGauthier/41028%20lyman%20mold/41028lymanmold002.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/PaulGauthier/41028%20lyman%20mold/41028lymanmold003.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0603/PaulGauthier/41028%20lyman%20mold/41028lymanmold004.jpg
I don't own a 41 and never have, got this with some other molds from a dead uncle. As you can see it appears to have had some work done do it in order to make blanks for swaging, I think. The blocks although dirty appear to be in good cond. the cavities have some minor rust. And the spru plate has been milled for a trough, good or bad I don't know as I have never used it. I will clean it up and cast some boolits to see what it does. Let you know what happens.

[ebner glocken]

If you all want to get a 41 kieth buy going I would be highly interested.

[44man]

It always amazes me why the .41 didn't do better. It is a great round. It seems from the start that bullet makers and mould makers were out to keep it from getting popular. The reason I don't have one is because of the lack of choices with it. My friends have them and they shoot very well and would do great for any purpose. But I see how hard it is for them to find a selection of anything.

[ddixie884]

Me too.........

[tigweldit]

First mold I ever got for my RBH was the 41032. 1968. I could have stopped there. I didn't. The .41 magnum is hard to find a boolet that it won't shoot well. Six molds in the collection so far. My favorite is the 41032. Accurate, and it hits like a .41.