Is it OK to make .38 / .357 GasCheck boolits WITHOUT Gaschecks, & w/ Lube in GC ledge

[inuhbad]

I've been making 158 Grain LSWC boolits for a while now. The mould has a 'ledge' for adding gas checks, but I've been thinking...

Is it okay to load & shoot 38/357 GC boolits without the gas checks, instead, just running it thru my RCBS Lub-a-matic sizer, and leaving the little bit of lube stuck onto the gas check 'ledge' of the boolit?

Will this create any problems, or what do you more experienced experts think?

Any advice is greatly appreciated!!! :castmine:

[GLynn41]

it should be fine - normally they shoot pretty well with or with out-- about the only possible problem is lube migration to a little of the powder just don't leave out in the hot sun if the lube has a low melt temp

[Marlin Hunter]

You can shoot a GC boolit without a gas check.

I asked this question 2 weeks ago. It gets asked about twice a month, and there is a "Sticky" somewhere on this board explaining it.

I do not know about having lube in the GC grove. I would remove it.

If the boolits get warm, some wax may melt and get into the powder and primer.

[Marlin Hunter]

P.S.

It is a good idea to store your finished cartridges bullet down so if the wax does melt it will stay near the boolit.

[inuhbad]

Thanks for the info & replies!

I usually store my boolits in my cool, dry basement, bullet down.

So it should be okay... I'll do one test batch with Lube on the ledge, and one batch where I've wiped the lube out of the gas-check ledge. Then see what works better for leading or smokey powder burning.

Thanks!

[mroliver77]

When I do this I use an over powder "wad". I cut disks from foam meat trays. This keeps powder away from lube. Just make sure "wad" is against boolit bottom. This will "warm" up the round a tad so work up with the foam.
Jay

[canuck4570]

http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww57/michelmongrain/IMG_0519.jpg

you have a ejector pin made with a countersink so to prevent the lube from lubing this portion

[canuck4570]

http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww57/michelmongrain/IMG_0522.jpg
your bullet will fit like this and go in the seizer die and comme out with no lube on the gaz check shank....

[canuck4570]

http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww57/michelmongrain/IMG_0523.jpg
and that the way they come out
very fast and efficient ......

[inuhbad]

NICE!!! Did you make that yourself, or can you buy those somewhere?

If you made it yourself, can you tell me what particular metal (4140 steel alloy?) you used??? I've got access to a lathe, and that'll be a SWEET little tool to make!

[canuck4570]

my son his a machinist and he used stainless steel he said it makes a good finish
this was done for my saeco 165 grain but I noticed that al my saeco 30 caliber molds have the same chank so great.....
so when I want gaz check I use my regular pin and when I want no lube on the shank I am able to switch pin without removing the seizer die itself by pushing it out from underneath with a small pin put on the ejector pin push rod....
love it....

[canuck4570]

http://http://www.hollowpointmold.com/
you could ask Buck shot, member on this site or
Erick at hollow point service...
to make one for you
just send him a coupe of your bullet and seizer die

[inuhbad]

NICE!!! :)

I'll have to look into that!!! It's a sweet setup!!!

[canuck4570]

glad to help
Canuck

[STP22]

I`ve often thought of this same question but never asked it...

canuk 4570`s response w/pics turned the "light" on in my head. As long as the GC mould casts a boolit with a fully filled out base, I don`t see why his solution would not work.

More than once I have spent time inserting a specific diameter lube die and run it thru with lube pressure just to get the "stop adjustment" set to fill out the upper most lube groove (or not) and to also confirm as "sized diameter", then have to remove the lube from the GC shank before continuing...

I`m gonna have to give that a try. Hope my machinist friend isn`t too back logged
with work! :idea:

[canuck4570]

believe me STP22
I have lube more than 1000 bullets with this pin and no problem what so ever
even if the base is a bit round no lube goes in the shank section of the bullet
just make the pine opening about .002 bigger than the shank itself and as for the depth as close as the shank of the bullet

[Bret4207]

This question gets asked 2-3 times a week. Check the "Classic and Stickies" section for a long thread on it.

[canuck4570]

this pin has been to work for the past 2 weeks
and yes you are correct it appear almost every week
my hope is that these pictures get into a sticky
I don't know who does and accept this on this site but I would be glad to help with pictures and so on to have it made in a sticky.....
Canuck

[Bret4207]

Canuck, just forward a PM to any of the Mods and outline your wishes.

[canuck4570]

many tanks Bret 4207

[Goatlips]

Thanks for the info & replies!

I usually store my boolits in my cool, dry basement, bullet down.

So it should be okay... I'll do one test batch with Lube on the ledge, and one batch where I've wiped the lube out of the gas-check ledge. Then see what works better for leading or smokey powder burning.

Thanks!

Inhubad, sounds like you're using the Holy Black, and probably for CAS. That's me. Anyhow, I used to carefully wipe the bases of my boolits free from PRS lube so it wouldn't migrate to the BP or primer. Got lazier and quit.

I'm shooting .38 Snakebites that I loaded eight years ago and had stored in a hot shed in Florida. If anything migrated, the gun or the boolit never noticed, so now I don't bother about it. Ymmv - :Fire:

Goatlips