the JD Henry 358-75 gn wc buy gone bad

[jdhenry]

payments came from:

30512
&
sweden

Thanks guys for chipping in and making this happen!!!! :)


Count as of today 1/11

25 X 2 Cavity

25 X 6 Cavity


WE DID IT!!!!!!!!!!:)

[jdhenry]

Here are the totals

2 Cavity moulds

70361 x1
30512 x3
21120 x2
62263 x1
47601 x1
54935 x1
16214 x1
67042 x1
21727 x1
62640 x1
92345 x1
99801 x1
38024 x1
97016 x9

total==25

6 Cavity mould

89115 x1
47165 x1
72034 x1
57317 x1
02745 x1
29439 x1
80212 x2
95124 x3
54773 x1
54902 x1
96055 x1
72525 x1
76180 x1
47955 x1
99352 x1
63010 x3
Sweden x2
Australia x1
________X1
97016 x1

total==26

[jdhenry]

Well guys i about had to go to the hospital last night when I got home......There were some big boxes laying by my front door.........I opened them and there were a bunch bullet molds........So they are finally here.

I am leaving in about an hour for vacation and will be back on August 13th.. I'll cast up some that night and if all is well I'll start shipping them the next morning (14th).. I opened up a few and they look good and cut clean no burrs.


Jballs918........... P.M me your new address so I have when I get back

[38-55]

Hey Ya'll
Just checked the old thread and it seems that JD has received our molds ! BUT for some strange reason the thread is locked. What's up with that ?
Maybe I'll see mine before the snow flys..
Stay safe
Calvin

[happy7]

You are right. That is pretty strange that it is closed. Maybe one of the moderators will let us know what the deal is. It is almost hard to believe that this group buy is here. Too bad about the timing on Jeremy's vacation, but having waited this long, another two weeks is nothing.

[BCB]

Maybe it was locked for fear as to what some of the comments might be since they (molds) will remain undeliverd for at least 2 more weeks. Actually probably another month as the vacation is 2 weeks, and I really don' t expect any urgency on JD's part when he returns home...

Once the molds get delivered, there might be a few comments posted indicating one's true thoughts on this entire escapade of over 2(?) years...

My first and last group buy FOR SURE...BCB

[38-55]

Hey Ya'll,
Probably won't be my last group buy if I see something I like I'll go for it.. I think it's just one of those things that happen. Just mis-communications and assumptions and a market for reloading supplies that is off the charts. Sometimes these kinda things happen.. I'm just glad that there doesn't appear to anything nefarious about all the goings on's...
Stay safe
Calvin

[Springfield]

Just my luck, I will be on vacation in 3 weeks, so I will probably be gone when these show up!

[725]

Luck of the draw. Hope he has a great vacation and the complaints are very limited. I want mine and I don't want to wait longer than I have to. JD didn't plan his vacation to coincide with the delivery. It's life. (and my normal luck) I'll live. After all, I'm used to it.

[happy7]

Wow, we are down to two more days and JD is home from vacation. It is getting close now.

[Mohillbilly]

I checked on the lock down. It was locked because (I was told) that a 22 page thread didn't sit well in the servers (puter) gullet. And I can belive that. I reread it the other night and got a whopper of a head ache ....

[happy7]

Thanks Hillbilly, that is good to know. I wonder if the mods can add one more message to the old one with a link to this one. I just hope Jeremy finds this one when he gets back tomorrow. Or maybe he will start an alltogether new one.

[TaylorTN]

The sun may come out tomorrow.......tomorrow.........It's only a day awayyyyy......:Fire::Fire::Fire:

[jdhenry]

Ok found the new spot I came home a day early (Couldnt wait) These bullets are crap not even worth the wait.............................................. ... Just kidding I have been playing with them in the Marlin .357 SWEET DOGGY they are fun 1 2 or 3 stacked Ill get them shipping Monday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!! Ill try to give an update tomorrow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[750k2]

If you don't mind - post your 3 stack load.
I just may have them ready this year - A month til
open only but may be do-able.
Thanks

[LeadThrower]

I wonder if anyone has tried any separators between stacked boolits like this? A sheet of paper, a tiny flat wad of dacron, etc. It's something I'll try once the moulds arrive.

[BCB]

Well, if you have cast some boolits already with them, you must have time on your hands.

Why don't you get them in the mail today and tomorrow.

Or will it be raining and you will be too busy and wet on Monday?

BCB

[Springfield]

It's always a good idea to test cast a few to make sure LEE didn't drop the ball. Apparently they didn't. JD, mail mine last if you have a choice, as I am going on vacation next week anyway. I have 3 coming, 2 for myself and one for Mr. Laitenen in Finland. Thanks for your efforts as Honcho. I have done it 3 times and packaging and mailing is always the most difficult and time consuming part.

[MNruss]

By all means, test cast using some random selection.
You can send me one that has been tested, it's a lot
more important that it be right than virginal.
I'm just happy they've arrived.
Regards
Russ

[Old Ironsights]

Yippie! Always wanted to play with duplex loads...

Particularly out of the SP101. Make everyone wonder "***" when I shoot 5 times and have 15 hits... :twisted:

[Dframe]

I came along WAY after the fact on this one.
BUT!
If anyone deceides they don't want theirs,(gave up and went away) or wishes to sell ,Please give me a PM.

[Lucky Joe]

Yippie! Always wanted to play with duplex loads...

Particularly out of the SP101. Make everyone wonder "***" when I shoot 5 times and have 15 hits... :twisted:

Been there done that, you should see the look on peoples faces. Especially the range master when he's trying to score hits.

Warning, if your the generous type have plenty at the range, people will want a hand full. I've caught people rummaging through my truck trying to find some to, I guess steal.

[IllinoisCoyoteHunter]

I am with Dframe on this one. I know you guys have waited a long time for this mold, but if anyne doesn't like it or needs to sell it, please put me second in line (after Dframe). I would definately be interested. Thanks guys!

[SPRINGFIELDM141972]

JD

I hope your vacation went well. It is great to hear that the moulds are casting well. What diameter are the boolits dropping at? Any pictures yet?

Regards,
Everett

[McKenzie]

Well, now that the molds are on the way (hopefully), does anyone have load data for multiple 38 and 357 rounds?

[LeadThrower]

I've got a 215 grain custom (Mountain Molds) that sits over 10 grains of A9 using magnum primers and its not a maxed load. I've used it in my GP100 and Marlin. Now, 3 of these little pills will sit deeper and come in 10 grains heavier, so starting low and working up will be the rule.

I have not tried any fast burning powder under my heavy slug, so I'm curious to hear what loads are known good when using BE or unique.

[750k2]

Well I'm all up to temp and fluxed.
If you could post the zips as they go out I think I might be
able to relax a little - maybe not.
Mr. rabbit better watch out now:drinks:

[jdhenry]

I was going to use flat rat boxes to speed up packing but the post office only had 4 and they said i could order them online but that will take 7-10 days. Then the printer ran out of ink today when I went to print shipping labels for the 4 boxes i have. Sooooooooo When I go to work tonight I'm going to pick up a few rolls of brown shipping paper, a bunch of packing tape, and a new ink cartridge and come home at 11pm and have a packing marathon with my wife and get them all out tomorrow morning. So most of you should have them by Saturday.



As for loads this is what I have came up with for my Marlin .357 1894c


3 stack over 4.5g Unique

At 20 yards all 3 are in about a 4" group

single 6.5g unique

60 yards they hit the center.... They just hit a little low.

That is all I have played with.

[happy7]

JD,

All you have to do is tape the box that the molds come in closed and put an address label on the box. That is what I have done on group buys and also what Lee does when they send out just one mold. It is cheaper that way, because a flat rate box big enough costs about $4 or $5 more, depending on destination.

[Explorer1]

"packing marathon with my wife"

Thank the BOTH you for your motivation to get these in our hands! This group buy will probably go into the urban legend books as few will believe it took nearly 2 years to get a few blocks of alumium machined with a token number of holes.

[jdhenry]

Well go figure that tonight was the night to stay till midnight:( Got home around 12:30am. And the wife and i have been wrapping and printing and taping since....... only about 7 more to go but they will be in the mail in the morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well i guess its morning here right now so in about 9 Hours. I have a couple that don't have addresses or a last name so i will be getting a hold of you tomorrow. But the wait is almost over!!!!!!!!!!!!! my floor is covered in brown packages and Priority mail labels. Now I can really go and play with my new bullets:)


ENJOY BOYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Coheeba]

If there's any extras, I'd be interested also.

[jdhenry]

They are in the mail as of about 3 hours ago.....

[happy7]

You are indeed a fortunate man to have a wife that will stay up till 4 am helping you that way. Mine surely wouldn't. Thanks for your efforts.

[jdhenry]

I need the following people to pm me with first and last name. So i can ship your molds.


Eric zip 80212

Jackson zip 63010

Thanks guys

[crowbuster]

got mine today a ok, thanks again, must melt lead.
C.B.

[750k2]

Nothing for me yet:sad:
Cases primed, powder in hopper, sizer all filled up and dies in the press.
3 weeks til rat season - might still make it.

[Lucky Joe]

I've had mine now for all of 5 minutes and it looks good. Now I have to get some handles since I gave mine to a friend in Las Vegs.

Thanks JD, been a long wait but I've been shooting these little guys for a long time using a single cavity Lyman 358101. It's east to burn through a bunch in no time a 6 cavity will help keeping the supplies up, and for me anyway the wait was worth it.

I shoot these in 4 soon to be 5 .38/357's all with more than satisfactory accuracy. It can be a rather touchy project in some guns "patience is going to be a virtue at times" unless these Lee's are different.

I'd like to know if anyone is going to be shooting them out of a rifle.

[hicard]

Got mine today JD, thanks and I am sorry you got put on the spot for such a long time.

[Old Ironsights]

Mine came in the post yesterday. Look good.

Now I have to put it away untl after the Move... :(

[94Doug]

Mine also came in on Friday.

Thank You!

Doug

[jdhenry]

Got mine today JD, thanks and I am sorry you got put on the spot for such a long time.

I would have put myself on the spot if it was turned around...... From the 80 or 100 I have played with, They were well worth the wait though:) Six at a time is only 2 bullets though:( But the singles are dead on at 60 yd or so. And my daughters and all the neighbors like them. My 7yr old Shot her first rifle with one of the singles we won't talk about how far off she was but she liked it:)

[verney]

I have 3 coming, 2 for myself and one for Mr. Laitenen in Finland.
I have sent you email and PM. I got no reply. I wonder if you got my message?

[MNruss]

MN 55304 Rec'd Sat 8/22
Looks Fun! [smilie=p:
Regards
Russ

[McKenzie]

Monday mail just came, still no mold :-(

[GSM]

Came in at 76182 - picked up Saturday.

[happy7]

Got mine today! Thanks Jeremy

[Springfield]

Received mine in California today. Will be forwarding one of them to Finland to another castboolit fan.

[deadguy]

Not here yet.

[750k2]

nothin yet:cry: maybe tomorrow

[Springfield]

Just cast some up from a very soft alloy mix. 72.5 grains and .361 for me.

[verney]

Received mine in California today. Will be forwarding one of them to Finland to another castboolit fan.
Hopefully to the correct address!

[TaylorTN]

So the migration east of the Mississippi is a little slow..... maybe today since all the mail lady brought yesterday were bills.....

[Springfield]

The address read" Mr. Verney, Scandanavia". That should work, right?[smilie=l:

[deadguy]

Not here yet.... I'm hoping the mail truck didn't fall into the Mississippi on its way here!

[750k2]

If it did mine must have been with it[smilie=b:

[trail troll]

02745 ,,,, received mine Monday! Have not cast any yet but they do look like they will be cuties :D

[happy7]

I cast up some today with straight clipon wheel weights. 73 grains unlubed and .362 diameter. The mold works fantastic with bullets dropping easily and beautifully. However, the mold handle screw holes were not countersunk enough so had to do some filing on the screw heads. I can't wait to shoot some. I am interested in any loads anyone comes up with that work well. Just to sumarize, I am very happy with this mold. I am so glad that after that wait it was not disappointing, as some have been here lately.

[Springfield]

A close up of one of mine. 72.5 gains and 361 with very soft lead.

[deadguy]

Mine showed up today :)

[750k2]

Not mine:groner:

[Blammer]

so for those that shoot IPSC, can you load 3 in one shell, and shoot at a target once and get 2 hits counted? :)

should increase your time drastically as you'll only be shooting one shot per target.. :)

[Dframe]

I would still like very much to acquire one of these. If anyone changes their mind or if there is a second run, please count me in,

[45nut]

OK,as far as the original thread,, it was moved to the archives since to our knowledge they were IN the postal system.

Now,, according to 38-55 the 2c molds were not even made? Anyone else that ordered a 2c please check in here while I dig out the old thread for review.

All and all I am not happy with how this buy went.. pretty bad handling IMHO.

[45nut]

I found the original thread and opened it,, copied the two posts with the orders to this thread, NOW to MY eye it appears he had 25 2c and 25 6c orders,,
What did I miss?

[happy7]

I found the original thread and opened it,, copied the two posts with the orders to this thread, NOW to MY eye it appears he had 25 2c and 25 6c orders,,
What did I miss?

That is what I understood. Man that is the pits for the 2C guys. I smell a Night Owl group buy with a new honcho. You all could have your molds in another couple months going that way.

[38-55]

45 nut,
I don't think your missing a thing..... PM Sent to youse
Here's a copy of the letter I received today..

Calvin B Haxton ( aka 38-55)
e-burg md

[BCB]

I just received a letter from Henry and he returned my $35 saying he didn't order the 2 cavity molds...

I AM TOTALLY AMAZED, BUT SOME OF MY PREVIOUS POSTS WERE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT ABOUT THS CLOWN--NOW ALL WHO DEFENDED HIM, CONTINUE TO DO SO...

This needs to be confurmed with Lee that only the 6-cavity molds were made...

And if that is the case, Hey HENRY, I want some very good interest on my money that you had for over 2, spelled two years...

ACTUALLY I WANT THE MOLD THAT I ORDERED--PERIOD...

BCB

[45nut]

Jeeeeeeeeeeeze Jeremy.. really?

Really?

Really.......... omg.

[SPRINGFIELDM141972]

Well,

I held out hope that this would all work out. I guess I was wrong. I hope I atleast receive my money back from this ordeal. I am disappointed...

Everett R

[45nut]

Well guys i about had to go to the hospital last night when I got home......There were some big boxes laying by my front door.........I opened them and there were a bunch bullet molds........So they are finally here.

I am leaving in about an hour for vacation and will be back on August 13th.. I'll cast up some that night and if all is well I'll start shipping them the next morning (14th).. I opened up a few and they look good and cut clean no burrs.


Jballs918........... P.M me your new address so I have when I get back

OK,, You had the boxes in hand a month ago and did not 'fess up the 2c's were not there?

Was there a refund for them with the 6c's in the packages?

Was there any notice only the 6c's were the only molds to be produced in prior contact with Lee?

Remember,, any of us can call Lee and get the truth here.

I am very disgusted and shocked.

:coffee:

[750k2]

Just back from the range and are you freakin kidin me!!!!!!!!!!
This CLOWN knew this for over a year and said nix!!!!!!!!
Where is my interest????????
Maybe he's on vacation again - any bets whether the checks bounce?????
Lame - totally Lame!
I should probably call lee and apologize for my e-mail as they were tellin the truth
it was this jerk off that was dishonest all the while.
I can tell you where he can put his bullets at cost.
I'm flyin down to attempt and cash the scammers paper - lots of luck I bet.
UNREAL.
:groner:

[750k2]

I came along WAY after the fact on this one.
BUT!
If anyone deceides they don't want theirs,(gave up and went away) or wishes to sell ,Please give me a PM.

Hey Dframe I have the rights to a 2 holer PM me for my address it's 35 shipped
I'll be on vacation and my dog died but I'll be right with ya[smilie=w:

[Onlymenotu]

GRRR....... I've been waiting for my 2 cavity mold here I though it was late get'n here cause I'm in the sticks.......* now I'll most likely be get'n my check back- It hasn't made it here yet*..... not a happy camper

[SPRINGFIELDM141972]

I just opened the mail from today and, I too, received my form letter and check. Very unhappy to say the least. I will not raise hell, but I have learned a lesson and will never deal with Mr. Henry again.

Regards
Everett R

[TaylorTN]

WHAT THE F$#%@#$%@#$%@#$^@#$^@$#%^@$#%^@$%^

I have been sitting here waiting for 2 @%$^@$%^&#$%& YEARS and he didn't tell us that the 2 cav moulds did not get made or ordered???

HE KNEW AND TUCKED HIS TAIL BETWEEN HIS LEGS.

HALF OF THE TRUTH IS A WHOLE LIE!!!


I DON"T WANT MY MONEY.....I WANT THE MOULD!!!

NO WONDER HE DID NOT RESPOND TO MY REQUEST FOR INFO !!!!!

[McKenzie]

Well, I dare not express my true feelings as one who ordered a two cavity mold from JD. I would surely be banished from this forum forever.

I will say that he would surely screw up a one car funeral procession. And, apparently feel no remorse what so ever about it.

If he had even one iota of honor he would randomly select one of the people who ordered a two cavity mold and send them his six cavity. If he got more than one he should gift them all to two cavity guys.

I'm not holding my breath though. If he had the least hint of honor it would never have come to this in the first place. I can't fathom how he can look at himself in the mirror in the morning.

At the least, the moderators should see to it that he is never allowed to post another group buy. Of course, who would ever trust him again anyway.

So, how do we get the rest of us taken care of? I still want this mold desperately and I think 24, or more, others that do too.

[TaylorTN]

I re-read the scanned letter....

so maybe he should have cast up a small FRB and put the check in there for us that he shafted.....

That would have been at least a peck on the cheek.....

[jim4065]

Without even the courtesy of a reach around...............

[45nut]

The ONLY reason he has not been banned is I want to see his excuses and apologies.

He is not the caliber of person his first gb implied he was.

This is totally unheard of in many years of group buys and I am ashamed he is in the same state as me.

I do want to clarify something,, I do not find Lee culpable at all,, they have their procedures and rules and everyone that has ever run a group buy successfully knew going in what was required.
Jeremy's failures are not Lee's. Yes,, Lee has been slow because of the demand for their products has overwhelmed their capacity but this buy was for 2 and 6 c molds and Jeremy failed miserably in making sure that was what he was supposed to get. It should have been clearly obvious the 2c molds were not in the pipeline with the 6c molds.

When that occurred would be very interesting to know.


I am still shocked he would send out a form letter, that is utterly classless.

[GSM]

So, how do we get the rest of us taken care of? I still want this mold desperately and I think 24, or more, others that do too.

Mihec?

[BCB]

“”Maybe it was locked for fear as to what some of the comments might be since they (molds) will remain undeliverd for at least 2 more weeks. Actually probably another month as the vacation is 2 weeks, and I really don’t expect any urgency on JD's part when he returns home...

Once the molds get delivered, [if they do], there might be a few comments posted indicating one's true thoughts on this entire escapade of over 2(?) years...

My first and last group buy FOR SURE...BCB””
__________________________________________________ ___________

That was my post from July 30, 2009 (Got to put the year on there!)…

Many of my early posts were of the same skepticism and I was the one that wanted the total amount of money we paid him sent to someone of responsibility—possibly 45nut. Nope, we can’t make him do that—he already sent it to Lee—did he? That way we would have had more of his money and at least could have gotten some monetary retribution…

And as I have previously stated, I deal with enforcement of laws and regulations—and sometimes take peoples money. I read this cat towards the end of the “con” (opinion) like a book. They are the ones that never accept responsibility—it is everyone else’s fault—poor poor pitiful me is their philosophy. In 25 years, I have heard every cry baby excuse that can be generated by the persecuted "innocent"—one must learn to distinguish between the truth and a lie…

Now I sit here and type this and observe the check that I received. I too wonder if it will cash or even if any of my banks will accept it. I sent him a Postal Money Order—I guarantee it cashed…

Well, for all of you 2-cavity guys (pun intended), we got violated (again, pun intended). But, if indeed, this is as far as this legendary GROUP BUY does go, hey, we are tough enough to survive this hit. Bet many of us have been hit hard—hell, I battled cancer the past 2.5 years and I am still here. JD doesn’t mean crap (a kind euphemism) to me…

And finally during my Army days of 40 years ago gone past, we had a name for guys like him and I will wager there are other soldiers here who are aware of that name—PUKE…

I’m gone for now, but I may surface again…

BCB

Addendum: Just read 45nut's post___I agree...

[SwedeNelson]

We would be happy to make a run of two cavity moulds.
Would need a honcho and Glen Larson's permission to use the drawing.

Can get the tooling going tomorrow.
If no one wants to honcho it I will.

Swede Nelson

[buster]

Hey JDHENERY you offered to cast a bunch and ship them at your cost, no need for that BUDDY just let me borrow your mould for a week and I will ship it back to you at my cost......I promise!!! You have my address, you sent your loan payment back to me remember.

[750k2]

PM'd Swede[smilie=s:

[725]

45nut:
In response to your request, I, too, had ordered 2 cavitiy moulds (yes that is plural) and like others here got the form letter. I was dumb struck.

I ordered a mould and then the process lagged a little and it seemed that an additional order might speed it all along. I sent the second check for a second mould and have been standing by for almost two years for 2 Lee Two Cavity moulds.

I'm disappointed.

[Mohillbilly]

I,m still look'n for my 3 six hole moulds. I hope the mail lady does'nt hold on to them because of the dogs are staked out, out front, like last week.

[TaylorTN]

What a wife he has..... she helped him pack up all those (half) moulds, staying up all night but she also WROTE THE REFUND CHECKS! Talk about taking one for the team.....so he didn't have to......

[mtnman31]

Ouch, sorry to hear about the mess this buy turned out to be. Fortunately, my first group buy was a real joy (catshooter's 32 Keith), the mold worked out great and came in much quicker than anticipated. The other buys I have taken part in since then have gone well too. I currently have two group buy molds outstanding. I'm not concerned becasue I know that the majority of folks here are fantastic people who will do everything in their power to see the buys completed to satisfaction. For the honchos and mold makers working hard to do things right, I give my sincerest thanks.

[45nut]

Well Jeremy was on the board today and did not even take the time to acknowledge this discussion.
That speaks volumes to me. :takinWiz:

[GLL]

I applaud Swede Nelson for his willingness to step up so quickly and help all who got screwed on this deal !

If Swede does indeed run this mould I am sure there are many others who would join in. I know I will !

Jerry

[jim4065]

I hope Swede makes it at least a three banger - these will be consumed quickly. That's partly why I started a buy for the same basic boolit - but in a "Lee Liquid Alox" version to eliminate the time spent sizing these things. Sizing is starting to seem like a real hassle - takes too long! I want one.

[GLL]

Swede can make you any size from 1-5 cavities ! :)

I sure hope this works with NOE ! Swede makes a far superior mould at a good price !!!!

I held out on the original buy ( lucked out !) .

Jerry

[BCB]

Well Jeremy was on the board today and did not even take the time to acknowledge this discussion.
That speaks volumes to me. :takinWiz:


45nut,

I am addressing this to you because I don’t know who else might have the ability to answer a couple of questions…

1. I wonder exactly when Henry knew he hadn’t “ordered” the 2-cavity molds—how long did he string we 2-cavity mold hopefuls along?

2. Or where they “ordered”? Might they still be available at an elevated price?

3. Has Lee been contacted to get the “rest of the story” or is it nearly impossible to get a correspondence from Lee?

I am really interested in a chronological description of this misdirected unorganized episode.

I keep looking at the check he sent and I don’t know if I am going to attempt to cash it or not. Buy cashing it, he may be completely left off of the limb. I think he owes more than a form letter and 35 flippin’ bucks for 2 years of anticipation and his falsehoods and lies…

It is my opinion that he be booted from this website and not allowed to post anymore…

BCB

[Lucky Joe]

I'm confused jdhenry ran the Lee C-358-180rf with out a hitch, something must have gone terribly wrong. Something like this to happen after a rather stellar career on this board, something doesn't rub right, I reviewed his history here actually up until now better than some, no arguing, and praise for his Honcho job on the Lee C-358-180rf.

I read 17 pages of posts and found nothing like what happened with the 74 gr. buy not even close. It appeared he very much enjoyed casting and this forum, he stated so in many of his posts. I would like to see JD respond to the comments posted here, like I said I'm confused but also lucky I guess I did get my 6 cavity 74 gr. mould.:confused:

[charlie3tuna]

08/29/09

Went to mailbox. Nada. Again. :mad::mad::mad::mad:

charlie

[45nut]

BCB,,I plan on calling Lee monday to talk to Pat about this. I was very much hoping to hear from JD about this but he apparently declined so far.

I would be very ticked if he did indeed just string along the 2c buyers since january of '08. I would find that particularly despicable indeed.

C'mon JD.. WHAT IS THE DEAL HERE?

[TDC]

Nothing would "throw a wrench" into our wonderful group purchase opportunities than this kind of thing.... It's good to see 45nut hitting this issue head on and the website aggressively seeking answers.

If some kind of foul play is concluded it appears to me there may be some recourse with the USPS mail fraud division. If not them, the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) could be invited to investigate. This may all sound like a lot of over-kill, but rip-off people get ideas from things like this and we sure don't want that to happen here with our very relaxed transactions.... A lot of trust goes into these group purchases so lets not let this guy spoil it...

My .02c

[waksupi]

I will point out that although the staff is pretty much universally mad about this situation, all we really have recourse to, is a ban on an individual. We have always taken a position that the board staff itself cannot be directly involved in group buys, other than as individual purchasers. That covers us from being actually financially responsible for any messes like this one.
Along that point, I'm not sure if incompetence would raise this to the level of taking the ban action. It should certainly make people gun shy of dealing with the individual again, though!

[BCB]

waksupi,

I do somewhat agree with you, yet there are 20+ (?) people who where inconvenienced and misrepresented…

I must admit that since the initial shock of the breaking news is in the near past, the anger has somewhat diminished. Anger may actually be too strong of a word—more accurately might be amazement and discouragement at the finale…

Banishment will certainly be the responsibility of the “members of the board” and whatever way they decide will have to be acceptable…

I also agree that incompetency may not be grounds to banish, but one must think of the other members who were directly involved…

And even if he remains, there was a book written many years ago—A Man Without A Country. That worked then and it will work now. Ignoring is a powerful force…

And really the decision might best be determined once the TRUE STORY of events is known, if it can ever be pieced together since much of the trail is cold from 2 years of weathering. I think that if 45nut can get in contact with Lee concerning this conglomeration of misinformation presented by the person in question the decision might be self-evident—one way or the other. Henry was certainly efficient in posts that were scarce and full of vague, deceitful, and “smooth-talking” language…

I am actually more interested in the entire chain of events that lead to this saddened outcome. Maybe we will get the entire scoop in the near future…

BCB

[IllinoisCoyoteHunter]

First, I would like to note that I was not part of this GB. I did not have to wait two years for a mold that was never ordered. I feel everyone's pain. It is definately a sucky situation. BUT.....I have ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS been willing to give a person a second chance. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US has made a bonehead move in the past....and has been forgiven for it. Now with that being said, the way that Jeremy is currently handing the situation is indeed cowardly and unmanly. This next part goes to Jeremy:

Jeremy, the right thing to do RIGHT NOW is to be honest and upfront with the people on this board that ordered those 2 cavity molds. Explain to them WHAT went wrong. We all make mistakes, and people are more willing to forgive if you fess up. That is my 2 cents.

Now I really have no business writing this because I was not involved in the group buy...but I figured I would share the philosophy that I live by each and everyday of my life.

[Lucky Joe]

First, I would like to note that I was not part of this GB. I did not have to wait two years for a mold that was never ordered. I feel everyone's pain. It is definately a sucky situation. BUT.....I have ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS been willing to give a person a second chance. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US has made a bonehead move in the past....and has been forgiven for it. Now with that being said, the way that Jeremy is currently handing the situation is indeed cowardly and unmanly. This next part goes to Jeremy:

Jeremy, the right thing to do RIGHT NOW is to be honest and upfront with the people on this board that ordered those 2 cavity molds. Explain to them WHAT went wrong. We all make mistakes, and people are more willing to forgive if you fess up. That is my 2 cents.

Now I really have no business writing this because I was not involved in the group buy...but I figured I would share the philosophy that I live by each and everyday of my life.


I agree +1.

[BCB]

I don't agree with either post...

He was defended the entire way through this ordeal...

How many times must it continue?...

Sometimes wrongs can't be made right by apologizes...

Should we let him try again?...

BCB

[IllinoisCoyoteHunter]

I don't agree with either post...

He was defended the entire way through this ordeal...

How many times must it continue?...

Sometimes wrongs can't be made right by apologizes...

Should we let him try again?...

BCB

I am sorry you don't agree. The way I look at it is this: IT IS A FREAKIN' BOOLIT MOLD!!!! It is not life and death. There are bigger things to worry about. If I was in your shoes, sure I would be mad...but a bridge needs to be built and you need to get over it. Swede is gonna make things right and get everyone that wants that 2 cav mold one. Yes it does suck that you had to wait 2 years for the mold...and it also sucks that my 90 year old Grandpa has been in the hospital for the past 3 days with a terrible staph infection that may kill him.

[McKenzie]

Well, as one of his victims, I don't know that banishment would, or wouldn't, be appropriate. I too believe in second chances, when deserved. On the other hand, I think JD's behavior far exceeds mere incompetence. He actively, and willfully, elected to deceive us 2 cav guys. To me, that is the sin. He freely chose to be dishonest. That might just be the most impeachable offense. He obviously is totally undeserving of respect, as a man or otherwise. Anyone who would ever rely on this fellow again would be foolish.

All that said, let's get another buy going on this one ASAP.

JD is not worth wasting any more time on.

[BCB]

QUOTE: "First, I would like to note that I was not part of this GB."

That was the first line of your post IllinoisCoyoteHunter:aka BB and that says what business you have in this situation--NONE--period.

Yep, it is just a mold, but it is something I wanted and I expected to receive it...

No it isn't life and death issue, but I believe McKenzie worded it quite well with some of his post contents...

I feel sorry for your 90-year old Grandpa with the staph infection. But let me tell you something buddy, I have battled cancer for the past 2 1/2 years and I am only in my late 50's. Does that suck in your standards of values or situations?...

And since you are so damn forgiving, why don't you offer Henry all the money that would cover all of the 2-cavity molds that didn't get made or delivered to us trusting individuals. Then when you get them from Henry, send them to us. Does that sound reasonable? And it will also fulfull your philosophy of allowing a SECOND CHANCE...

BCB

[IllinoisCoyoteHunter]

Now I sit here and type this and observe the check that I received. I too wonder if it will cash or even if any of my banks will accept it. I sent him a Postal Money Order—I guarantee it cashed…


You got your money back...if the check is good. Life goes on. Actually, you were right...Mckenzie hit the nail RIGHT on the head...
JD is not worth wasting any more time on.

I personally am done with this conversation. If anyone else wants to rant and rave go right ahead....BUT IT WILL GET YOU NO WHERE! I just hope that no one out there lost any money in the deal.

[BCB]

Yep, IllinoisCoyoteHunter:aka BB, life will go on...

But I have learned that it is easy for people to say that when they ain't in the same jungle as the person that phrase is directed at. They are most likely on the safety of the outside just lookin' into the bushes...

Think about it...BCB

[MakeMineA10mm]

I'm confused jdhenry ran the Lee C-358-180rf with out a hitch, something must have gone terribly wrong. Something like this to happen after a rather stellar career on this board, something doesn't rub right, I reviewed his history here actually up until now better than some, no arguing, and praise for his Honcho job on the Lee C-358-180rf.

I read 17 pages of posts and found nothing like what happened with the 74 gr. buy not even close. It appeared he very much enjoyed casting and this forum, he stated so in many of his posts. I would like to see JD respond to the comments posted here, like I said I'm confused but also lucky I guess I did get my 6 cavity 74 gr. mould.:confused:
As a honcho who had the biggest group buy here, and then had it go wrong (from the producer), I can tell you that being a honcho can be both the best and worst unpaid job ever! :-) I know that my enthusiasm for honchoing GBs went down when the H&G68 went awry. JD dealt with a GB going awry in the middle of it, not at the end, like I did. I imagine that took some of the wind out of his sails.

Now, this brings up another interesting point that I brought up a LONG time ago in the Group Buy Honcho's section about Honcho character/responsibility and expectations to try to limit these kinds of problems, but that isn't necessarily germane to what to do with ole JD...

BCB,,I plan on calling Lee monday to talk to Pat about this. I was very much hoping to hear from JD about this but he apparently declined so far.

I would be very ticked if he did indeed just string along the 2c buyers since january of '08. I would find that particularly despicable indeed.

C'mon JD.. WHAT IS THE DEAL HERE?
This is a great idea.

Referring back to the Honcho character question I mentioned above, JD would do himself some good to come on here and publicly explain himself, warts and all, and at least be able to cash in an honesty chip, even though, if what I expect happened actually did, he'll have a whole stack of chips he'll be losing simultaneously... Not to mention that when you have the guy who owns the board asking for an explanation, you should probably be answering it...... :holysheep

Nothing would "throw a wrench" into our wonderful group purchase opportunities than this kind of thing.... It's good to see 45nut hitting this issue head on and the website aggressively seeking answers.

If some kind of foul play is concluded it appears to me there may be some recourse with the USPS mail fraud division. If not them, the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) could be invited to investigate. This may all sound like a lot of over-kill, but rip-off people get ideas from things like this and we sure don't want that to happen here with our very relaxed transactions.... A lot of trust goes into these group purchases so lets not let this guy spoil it...

My .02c
Your first paragraph is why I brought up my discussions in the Honcho forum last year.

As long as those checks cash, there's no foul play to the level of a legal investigation by federal authorities... Indescretion and poor judgement are not criminal acts, as much as we LE people sometimes wish they were.

I will point out that although the staff is pretty much universally mad about this situation, all we really have recourse to, is a ban on an individual. We have always taken a position that the board staff itself cannot be directly involved in group buys, other than as individual purchasers. That covers us from being actually financially responsible for any messes like this one.
Along that point, I'm not sure if incompetence would raise this to the level of taking the ban action. It should certainly make people gun shy of dealing with the individual again, though!
I think there's a middle ground. He could have his Honcho title stripped from him. he could continue to read and post, but not honcho any group buys.

waksupi,

I do somewhat agree with you, yet there are 20+ (?) people who where inconvenienced and misrepresented…

I must admit that since the initial shock of the breaking news is in the near past, the anger has somewhat diminished. Anger may actually be too strong of a word—more accurately might be amazement and discouragement at the finale…

Banishment will certainly be the responsibility of the “members of the board” and whatever way they decide will have to be acceptable…

I also agree that incompetency may not be grounds to banish, but one must think of the other members who were directly involved…

And even if he remains, there was a book written many years ago—A Man Without A Country. That worked then and it will work now. Ignoring is a powerful force…

And really the decision might best be determined once the TRUE STORY of events is known, if it can ever be pieced together since much of the trail is cold from 2 years of weathering. I think that if 45nut can get in contact with Lee concerning this conglomeration of misinformation presented by the person in question the decision might be self-evident—one way or the other. Henry was certainly efficient in posts that were scarce and full of vague, deceitful, and “smooth-talking” language…

I am actually more interested in the entire chain of events that lead to this saddened outcome. Maybe we will get the entire scoop in the near future…

BCB


First, I would like to note that I was not part of this GB. I did not have to wait two years for a mold that was never ordered. I feel everyone's pain. It is definately a sucky situation. BUT.....I have ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS been willing to give a person a second chance. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US has made a bonehead move in the past....and has been forgiven for it. Now with that being said, the way that Jeremy is currently handing the situation is indeed cowardly and unmanly. This next part goes to Jeremy:

Jeremy, the right thing to do RIGHT NOW is to be honest and upfront with the people on this board that ordered those 2 cavity molds. Explain to them WHAT went wrong. We all make mistakes, and people are more willing to forgive if you fess up. That is my 2 cents.

Now I really have no business writing this because I was not involved in the group buy...but I figured I would share the philosophy that I live by each and everyday of my life.

I actually like and agree with both of you. Re-read the first post above by Lucky Joe. JD had a group buy that went smooth as a baby's bottom. Then, he had this corduroy road. Between not handling the problems with Lee appropriately/responsibly to get this buy done quicker, and the utter failure on the 2-cavity moulds, I think he should certainly not be a honcho anymore, and I think that consequence fits both BCB's and Ill.Coy.Hunter's perspectives.

Whether he is completely banned is up to the big guy, and him alone. As much anger as you feel for having been taken for a ride on the 2-cavity moulds, as long as you got your money back (and the checks cleared), I think it's Ken's call to decide how far to go with this. If I were a betting man, I'd say JD is pushing himself towards banishment by his failure to communicate NOW with KEN more than all the other failures in this buy over the years...

[Onlymenotu]

:groner:...... *62640*......still no refund.. or mould :violin:

[SwedeNelson]

Just got off the phone with Glenn.
Its a go on the 358-75-WC.

Watch for Scifijims post on the group buy.

Thanks
Swede Nelson

[GLL]

Swede:

Thank You very much for stepping up so quickly on this one !

Jerry

[750k2]

I can't thank you enough[smilie=w:[smilie=p::drinks:

[45nut]

JD's honcho status was stripped last week when I saw the form letter pop up. His status as a member is very much in jeopardy at this point. I have an errand to run then will call Lee.

While I am gone,, maybe some specific questions to ask of them?

[GLL]

45nut:

Was the $1000 for the 2-cavity moulds ever in LEE's hands during the past two years ?

I have a gut feeling it was not ! If not, where has it been sitting ?

Many of us here may owe LEE a major apology on this one !

Jerry

[MakeMineA10mm]

Ken,
I know you've talked to Pat more than I have, and I've dealt with him on some really sticky situations. (I still send him a "thank you" e-mail every now and then...) As I'm sure you know, he's very easy to work with, if you're professional about any problem.

I'd lay out what you're struggling with, and ask if he'd be willing to look into the following:

When was the order actually placed?

WHAT exactly was ordered? (Any two-cavities in the order?)

If there are any notations or recollections about any interaction between JD and Lee regarding not ordering the 2-cavity moulds at the same time?

What amount of money JD sent to them, and whether any refund was issued by Lee and, if so, when the refund was sent and what amount of money it was for?

[45nut]

OK,, just off the phone with Pat.

Fact, JD never placed the order for 2c molds, just 27 6c.
Fact,, the order has been in since oct of '08 and the delay was primarily due to his acceptance letter not being in the package. I got sidetracked before any $ was discussed,, I will attend to that in a email with him, the facts as laid out prove beyond a shadow of a doubt JD lied, over and over.

He accepted funds for 2c molds and willfully did not place the order for them. He led the buyers to believe their molds were in the order and to expect them.

Pretty despicable, conduct not acceptable.

JD,, have you anything to say for yourself?

[jim4065]

Hate to say it, but this seems to go beyond incompetence. Taking a two year interest free loan hurts the reputation of every one of us who takes the responsibility of being a honcho seriously.

[750k2]

Ummmmm?
Never mind - The guy even went back and forth about loads with me knowing
he was stickin me:confused:

Pitiful Just Pitiful

[waksupi]

I suspect he somehow figures all this, is someone elses fault.

[fatnhappy]

JD was on the board a mere 2 hours ago.

[BCB]

Has any one cashed a check that JD sent them?...

I don't know if my bank has a charge to me if I deposit a check from someone else and it bounces. If they do have a charge for that and the check might not be any good, that would be a double whammy!!!

Just curious and I am going to check with my bank before I make the "Plunge"...

BCB

[Onlymenotu]

Has any one cashed a check that JD sent them?...BCB

I still haven't got my check....am I the only one who hasn't recieved they're refund check.....?
I'd like my check Jeremy........ I'd like to use it to get in on the N.O.E........ buy

[BCB]

Onlymenotu,

In post #35 HENRY needs information on 2 addresses...

Could one of those be yours he is searching for...

Gooc-luck...BCB

[Onlymenotu]

Onlymenotu,

In post #35 HENRY needs information on 2 addresses...

Could one of those be yours he is searching for...

Gooc-luck...BCB

I'm neither one of those zip's...... I'm 62640

[larry h]

Henry,
I either want my mould or a REFUND. I do think that interest is due also after two (2) years. Be a man and step up to the plate.
Larry
zip 92345

[BCB]

I have not cashed my check because if it bounces then I get a service charge and I loose more. I was waiting for someone else who is closer to JD's bank to cash, that way it will clear of not much quicker. I am in PA.

BCB

[grages]

Jerry,

while in certain circumstances I believe in second chances, like a restaurant giving bad service, this isn't one of those cases. And for this person whom I don't know and wasn't involved in the group buy. To get a second chance he would have to apologize here, in the forums, in public and ask for one and he has not done that. And that doesn't mean he should receive it.

You should be able to call the bank, even if it is not local and verify the funds over the phone.

Shawn

[750k2]

Just a note here - There is another group buy on this mold going now.
I believe we who got the shaft will be better off as in the end we will have a higher quality mold. We need more takers though to get it off the ground.

I cashed my check and have not heard anything bad as of yet.
[smilie=1:

[Springfield]

LEE does a good job. Maybe the NOE moulds will be better quality but all in all, I like my LEE moulds.

[Springfield]

I have 2 Mihec moulds, with 2 more ordered, and the quality is outstanding. I just hate to see people slam LEE when for the most part they do a fine job. I can get a 6 cavity mould for 65 bucks and no one else can touch that. It's kinda like comparing my Ford to a Hummer. Maybe the quality is better, but my Ford has carried my family for over 200,000 miles without a hiccup(OK, I replaced the starter once). And I'm willing to bet the wadcutters from my Lee will shoot as well as the wadcutters from the NOE mould. I appreciate quality tools as much as the next guy, but I also have to consider my budget, and spending over 100.00 for a mould can really delete my fun money in a hurry. I have found that the operator affects the bullet much more then the mould.

[750k2]

An added note here - the new group buy can be a combo mould with 75,100 and 155gr
cavities. surely you'll need one now:lol:

[Springfield]

That is very enticing!

[725]

Come on guys, jump on the new GB. Good prices for the mould and you can vary the boolit size in one mould. I'm on a fixed income and can relate to the value of the Lee. I've got a bunch of them and they make very good boolits. No question. I've put the two wait / no mould GB behind me and am looking foreward to this new GB. "K.B.O.", as Winston would say.

[Cracker]

I have cooled down enughf to post rationaly now. I have not cashed the check yet for fear of it bouncing and collecting more headaches, it sure would have been nice to recieve a USPS M.O. like I sent for guarenteed funds. I opted out of the tumble lube mini mold earlier this year because I had THREE 2c's coming for two years and I am real pissed because I would much rather have had a TL. The sad part is I only wanted one but sent MORE money to push the 2c over the top and make it happen.

I have participated in three group buys besides this one, this being the second with JD, right now I am so peeved that I have no interest in doing anymore group buys not wanting to get shafted again. I probably would not be so pissed if the "oversight" would have been mentioned a year ago and I could have gotten in line on the other buy but now I am not willing to wait.

[BCB]

Well, I cashed mine!

I had my bank call Henry's bank and they said it was an active account. They wouldn't say if my check would cash or bounce!

My bank doesn't have a charge if a check is returned for insufficient funds. The money I got for the check will be removed from one of my accounts by debit.

So, we will see. If the check is good, then it is over and done with.

Is Henry still on board here? People quickly forget such incidents...

BCB

[725]

Cracker,
I only wanted one but when it started to slow down, I ordered a second to jump start the GB. Silly me. Seems like you and I did the same thing. When I got my check, I cashed it pronto. Haven't heard any more about the check, so I guess it went through. I did get in on the new GB for a 360-75'er. Don't let a bad experience put you off. I bet that little boolit will be lots of fun. I got a 3 cavity this time.

[BCB]

Yea, I ordered the 358-75 sort of as a novelty item. I really can't see where such a boolit will serve much purpose at all in a 357 Magnum or 38 Special for that matter. The price was right just to get a boolit to mess around with, but the price of the new group buy is more than I wish to pay for a mold that probably serves little or no purpose...

I'll probably pass on the new offer for this boolit even though the new effort is most likely less risky...

My opinion remains the same, Henry should not be on this website--banned for life sounds reasonable to me...

BCB

[750k2]

But with 3 weights to choose from - can't get more novel than that:bigsmyl2:

[BCB]

750k2,
Maybe, but the price isn't novel...BCB

[45nut]

I really wanted JD to post for himself why the 2c's were never ordered. He has been here more than a few times and had a look.

C'mon JD, put it in public.

[trmungle]

Am I the only one who has not recieved my refund?

[Onlymenotu]

Am I the only one who has not recieved my refund?


NO...I'm Still trying to get the rest of mine back.... * there is a disputed amount owed* He hasn't loged back in here scence 9-10-09

[Cracker]

NO...I'm Still trying to get the rest of mine back.... * there is a disputed amount owed* He hasn't loged back in here scence 9-10-09

Now that you mention it, I was so torqued before I did not think about it, I was shorted too.

The group buy was $35 for one and $25 for everyone there after. I sent $35 for the first and then $60 for the last two to push the buy over the top and meet minimum. $35+$60 is $95, I recieved a check for $85, I doubt it will ever be reconsiled.

[725]

I doubt anybody is more pissed off than I am. I ordered two at $35 + $25 = $60 and I got a check for $60.

[larry h]

J.D.
I'm still waiting for my refund check.
Larry

[charlie3tuna]

I waited for two years. The moulds have (?) been shipped. Nothing arrived at my mail box.
>
>
Many people here are upset. Care to switch places?
>
>
JD, I thought of many nasty things to say to you, but I won't. (And I do have the vocabulary.) Quite frankly, you are beneath contempt.
>
>
charlie

[750k2]

We must be the bad guys - He's still a member here - Shows ya what isn't over the
top as far as conduct.
At least I got my money back - big whoop...
He was on here the 10th - he must have forgot to check this.

I got in on the other GB so I'm almost over this crap:takinWiz:

[45nut]

Well,, I held off on the banishment to give him the opportunity to make good and complete his stated claim to reimburse everyone. At this point he is obviously a nincompoop and will forevermore be known as such.

JD,, You are a real gutless prize.

[38-55]

45nut,
Thank you. Every time I think of this whole fiasco it makes me so mad I shake. I could care less about the mold and the money but it's the fact that this man strung me along for so long.. I just hate getting used.
Stay safe
Calvin

[725]

38-55, Same here. I'm [edit] for all the wasted time and frequent thread checks to see how it was coming along. I got my money back, but big deal. Like others, I got treated like a disposable afterthought. I don't suffer insult well. I may act civil (and I usually do), but inside I never forget. I always hoped there was some explaination and I've waited to hear one, but alas.......... I have acted honorably, and in the end that's all there is. I can live with myself. Others can't say the same and have to live by their standards.

[larry h]

JD HENRY,
You sent me a Pm/"E"-mail stating that 'you had lost, or could'nt find my adress in order send my mould refund'. I sent you my address, and STILL you have not sent my REFUND check. WHY???
Larry

[Onlymenotu]

JD HENRY,
You sent me a Pm/"E"-mail stating that 'you had lost, or could'nt find my adress in order send my mould refund'. I sent you my address, and STILL you have not sent my REFUND check. WHY???
Larry


Hi Larry I don't know IF you've seen this or not but JDHENERY has been BAN (http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=64616)
from the board...I doubt we ever get our money back... I wasn't a huge fan of banning him because it was one of the only means of contact that we had with him

[grages]

Only,

That doesn't mean that he isn't lurking here under a new name. There have been +-240 new members just this month to date many with no posts. I know that IP logging may be done but there are ways to spoof that. Not to mention that you can browse the forums as a guest. It is all moot, he was not communicating anyway prior to the ban.

I feel for all of you involved.


Hi Larry I don't know IF you've seen this or not but JDHENERY has been BAN (http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=64616)
from the board...I doubt we ever get our money back... I wasn't a huge fan of banning him because it was one of the only means of contact that we had with him

[Onlymenotu]

Only,

That doesn't mean that he isn't lurking here under a new name. There have been +-240 new members just this month to date many with no posts. I know that IP logging may be done but there are ways to spoof that. Not to mention that you can browse the forums as a guest. It is all moot, he was not communicating anyway prior to the ban.

I feel for all of you involved.

Oh I realize that he could be here in more than one way or the other...and that communiating as iffy at best maybe he wasnt posting to the board... i did have a little luck by pm witch now be no more and his email from his profile is no longer avalablie- listed scence the ban... he may or may not of replyed under his old username...but rest asured he won't reply to us here* if * he is here using a new username.. to say the least and besides you never know goes on behind the public view via pm's & emails.... things arn't alway as cut and dryed as they seem.... I'm not defending the guy here.... I did on the group buy thread the issues of paperwork with lee....... but I can't defend never ordering the 2 cavity and not coming clean with it to the 2 cavity buyer's and string us along...

[fatnhappy]

Oh I realize that he could be here in more than one way or the other...and that communiating as iffy at best maybe he wasnt posting to the board... i did have a little luck by pm witch now be no more and his email from his profile is no longer avalablie- listed scence the ban... he may or may not of replyed under his old username...but rest asured he won't reply to us here* if * he is here using a new username.. to say the least and besides you never know goes on behind the public view via pm's & emails.... things arn't alway as cut and dryed as they seem.... I'm not defending the guy here.... I did on the group buy thread the issues of paperwork with lee....... but I can't defend never ordering the 2 cavity and not coming clean with it to the 2 cavity buyer's and string us along...

The guy refused to reply to PM's or post on this thread. He had ample opportunity to do so. He lied for 2 years. Every choice to be dishonest and less than forthright was his. What exactly does banning or not banning have to do with his unwillingness to speak the truth or do the honest thing?

The moderators and owners of this board acted in the interest of this community to ban a thief. What would you have them do?

Has anyone here posted JD's contact info? Everyone here sent checks to him. There are other venues to contact him besides PM.

[59stude]

I feel sad when reading this after been away from Cast Boolits for over 6 months.
I had orderd 2 of this 6-cavity mould blocks, one in December 2007 and one in January 2008, so now I think I lost my $138 that I sent to him.
I have bought a lot of group buy moulds and a lot of other stuff from members here
and this is the first time I realy think I have been riped of, but things happens and I not laying awake in the night thinking about it.
Life is to short to worry about minor things, better to look forward with a postive atitude and a happy mind.


59Stude

[BCB]

59stude,

I too was involved with this travesty of trust…

I didn’t loose my money—it was returned…

And, your outlook may be the correct way to look at such things in life, but eventually, you become the looser regardless of that kind forgive-and-forget attitude. People continue to rip you off and you continue to forgive and forget…

More power to all of those who think that way…

As for me, I don’t forgive and I don’t forget as this only encourages the type of behavior that Henry displayed and got away with…

Just my thoughts…

BCB