30 Carbine Ruger

[smirker]

Anybody loading .30 carbine for a Ruger Blackhawk? Any good loads? Are you having problems with headspacing due to crimp?I am getting ready to start loding for old model I just picked up............

[Glen]

Yup, I like the Lyman 311316 HP at about 1550 fps out of mine. For details, see:

http://www.handloads.com/articles/default.asp?id=29

2400 and AA #9 are my two favorite powders for this gun

[beagle]

I like a 3118HP in mine.

See castpics/articles/cast in the Ruger .30 Carbine./beagle

[Wally]

Beagle--How can I access this please.

I use the Lyman 130 RN CB in mine with 6.0 of Unique---I get 1,200 FPs MV and it is accurate but it shoots too high...I need to find away to increase the height of the front sight blade.

[MtGun44]

Plugs AND muffs. Loudest pistol I was ever around.

Bill

[leadman]

Wally, Ruger changed the front sight on my OM 30 carbine years ago. Don't remember if I paid or not, but give them a call.

[Le Loup Solitaire]

Plugs and muffs for sure as the acoustics are totally impressive. I am using the RCBS 115 RN GC with 2 different loads. Five grains Unique or 11.5 grains of IMR 4227. Both are accurate; the Unique loading is the lighter of the two. I had to reduce the 4227 load down from 13.5 grains in order to seat the bullet deeper and hide the fromt band. Unless that was done the OAL interfered with cylinder rotation by jamming against the recoil plate. If you want to try something different I do recommend that you read Beagle's experiment, development and writeup on using 32-20 cases instead of 30 Carbine in the Ruger. Its in the Articles by Members section on this forum and its a gem. It works like a charm, is super accurate, can be slightly roll crimped and will eliminate all OAL/seating problems forever. LLS

[gifford]

Wally - check out the bottom of the page. Castpics logo and click. Articles by Members. The article in question is about half way down the second column. .30 Cal. Carbine in Pistol. Great arcticle, I learn something new here every time I visit Castboolits. G

[runfiverun]

i cut back 32-20 brass for mine and headspace on the rim.
i also use the rcbs 32-98 rnfp boolit in it sized to 313..
its a dang accurate civilized revolver now.
i have been using the 30 carbine resizer for it but am looking for a 32 sizer.
as the first firing blows out the shoulder of the case. it's a wildcat ona standard chamber type of thing but works and is pretty cool.

[NickSS]

I had one for awhile and it was an accurate shooter and loud but one of the chambers was cut short and would not chamber a round. After shooting it for a year or so I sold it.

[Wally]

Leadman,

Thanks...I missed your response. I epoxied a front sight extension that raises the height by 2.0 mm..will try it first yo see it that is enough. I mage it from a strip of aluminum so it is shiney and easier to "puck up". If so, I will inquire w/Ruger to get them to replace the front sight blade. A darn shame the don't pin it in as in their SS models--if they did, it'd be a snap to alter.

[rugerman1]

Castpics article by Beagle,,,Cast in the .30 Carbine Pistol (http://www.castpics.net/memberarticles/Cast%20in%20the%20.30%20Carbine%20Pistol.htm)

[Wally]

rugerman1

I use the Lyman 311410 130 RN CB...in my Ruger .30 M-1 carbine revolver. Your chart doesn't list it. The 311008 is no longer available...I would have prefered it.

[Wally]

Leadman,

Thanks...I missed your response. I epoxied a front sight extension that raises the height by 2.0 mm..will try it first yo see it that is enough. I mage it from a strip of aluminum so it is shiney and easier to "puck up". If so, I will inquire w/Ruger to get them to replace the front sight blade. A darn shame the don't pin it in as in their SS models--if they did, it'd be a snap to alter.

I tried this last week and it worked just fine. The added 2.0mm height in the front sight blade made a huge difference. It now shhots to point of aim. Seems that the epoxy held the strip of 0.1" aluminum quite well and I have the added bonus of having a "white" froint sight blade that makes for easier aiming.

[beagle]

The 311410 should work just as well. I didn't have one when I wrote that article.

Should be some 3118/311008 moulds around. Advertise on the Swappin and Sellin portion./beagle


rugerman1

I use the Lyman 311410 130 RN CB...in my Ruger .30 M-1 carbine revolver. Your chart doesn't list it. The 311008 is no longer available...I would have prefered it.

[Dframe]

Plugs AND muffs. Loudest pistol I was ever around.

Bill
Yup! A friend of german extraction called it "Das Earschplittinloudenboomen"

[Buckshot]

............I was trying to delvelope a mild target/plinker load for mine using the Lyman 77gr RN 32ACP slug. Using small charges of Bullseye and Red Dot I swear it would STILL makes your nose run and eyes water.

............Buckshot

[frank505]

it is so loud the dog even gave me dirty looks. bought it for winter coyotes( no bears) just too loud, so i converted it to 500 L. it so much better and easier to load for and things happen when a 450 Keith gets there.

[Wally]

I used my Ruger .30 and the Lyman 130 RN bullet with 4.5 grains of Bullseye---Got just under 1,100 FPS with it and it was quite accurate out to 100 yards...that as far a distance that I tested it to.

I did epoxy a strip of alumnium on the front sight increasing its' height by 2.0 mm...this allowed me to shoot to point of aim as shorter ranges and made it easier to "pick-up" the sights as well.

[missionary5155]

Good morning
I have very happy memories riding about the tank areas of Fort Hood in the summer of 72 sitting on the turret top with a Ruger Blackhawk chambered in Carbine shooting at jack rabbits. Seems our armorer had several thousands of rounds of carbine and NO carbines.
This does not help your origonal Q But you have one fine pistol cartridge there.

[nighthunter]

I love my Ruger in 30 Carbine. I'm shooting a 115 gr. fngc bullet from a Mountain Molds mold I ordered a few years ago. My best load with this bullet is 11.5 grains of WC 820. My biggest problem is with the once fired brass I purchased. I think some of the brass was fired in a rifle with an over sized chamber and I have a difficult time getting some of the shells to chamber in the revolver. Do any of you have any ideas for resizing the brass to reduce the head dimensions on this brass?

Nighthunter

[Larry Gibson]

To reduce the head dimensions on the .30 Carbine case;
Take the decapping assembly out of the FL die if there is one.

Have a decent .30 caliber rod to punch the cases back out using a mallet (obviously the have a mallet).

Take a small piece of steel flat stock (SFS)and lay it across the top of the shell holder with the ram in the up position. A shell holder for the .22 Hornet will work as well if you have one.

Screw the FL die in untill it bumps solidly against the SFS and then back it off 1 1/2 turn. Do not lock down the lock ring yet.

Lower the ram.

Place a clean lubed case (the ones that wouldn't chamber) on top of the SFS and run the case into the sizer and lower the ram.

Insert the rod through the top of the die and gently tap out the case.

Wipe off the case and try it in all 6 chambers of the cylinder.

Note; The case may need to be trimmed after each sizing before testing in the chambers if the AOL exceeds the maximum headspace measurement for your revolver.

If the case won't chamber relube the case, screw the die in 1/4 turn and retry.

Continue process until that case chambers in all 6 chambers of the cylinder.

Once the first case is sized then try 2-3 others. If they all chmber then lock down the lock ring and finish sizing all the over size cases.

The remainder of the thus sized cases than then be trimmed and loaded.

Larry Gibson

[nighthunter]

Thanks Larry, I'll give that method a try.

[Wally]

I was wondering, has anyone has tried this bullet in a Ruger .30 Caliber M-1 carbine revolver----I should think that it would work out well, but don't recall seeing that anyone mentioned doing so. The RCBS No is 82061.

[Harry O]

I do my .30 Carbine cases exactly the way Larry Gibson does (except I use a .25ACP shell holder) It works great.

Wally, your idea may or may not work. I have a bunch or .32 bullets (including the one you mention) I tried in my Marlin Model 62 in .30 Carbine. Most of them cast between 0.314" and 0.315". The Marlin had a fairly tight chamber, so I had to end up sizing them down to 0.309" to get them to fit. By the time that was done, there was very little lube or lube groove left. I decided not to shoot them.

I do not have a Ruger in .30 Carbine, but EVERY Ruger revolver I do have has tight chambers. That makes your idea iffy. However, it might be worth a try. Each mould and gun is a law unto itself.

[Caveape]

I can't remember if i posted on this before or not..............but I think it applies here.

I had made up some nice little .224 55 or 57 grain boolits out of some 22 rimfire jackets, then seated them into some 30 cal sabots. I then loaded these into the 30 carb cases & shot them out of my Ruger Blackhawk pistol. The load data I was using said it would give around 2500-2600fps (assuming they used a carbine length barrel). I was excited at the prospect of that kind of power in a small package.

At 20 yards, I had approx. 8" groups & keyholes.

I was disappointed to say the least.

What I imagined happened was a poor combination of boolit weight & twist rate.

Any thoughts on this?

[Caveape]

BTW, interesting thread. I will have to try some of yall's combos in mine.

THANKS!

[Wally]

I do my .30 Carbine cases exactly the way Larry Gibson does (except I use a .25ACP shell holder) It works great.

Wally, your idea may or may not work. I have a bunch or .32 bullets (including the one you mention) I tried in my Marlin Model 62 in .30 Carbine. Most of them cast between 0.314" and 0.315". The Marlin had a fairly tight chamber, so I had to end up sizing them down to 0.309" to get them to fit. By the time that was done, there was very little lube or lube groove left. I decided not to shoot them.

I do not have a Ruger in .30 Carbine, but EVERY Ruger revolver I do have has tight chambers. That makes your idea iffy. However, it might be worth a try. Each mould and gun is a law unto itself.

Thank you---I was told if you pan lube first then size that the lube grooves would not be reduced, the bullet would just be elongated--stretched. I may have to go that route..if the bullet doesn't work out I'll have to just sell it. If it shoots well, it may be worth the trouble.

[Wally]

Lyman makes a # 311008 bullet mold that produces 115 grain RNF .30 Cal bullets--has anyone tried these in the Ruger .30 M-1 Carbine pistol?

[9.3X62AL]

Someone mentioned above that the #311008 went out-of-print.......izzat true? I'll check the Lyman site, BRB.

ETA--Lyman's site shows #311008 still available as a regular-production item, along with #311410 and #311359. Cancel the BOLO.

[Wally]

The Lyman 311008 is available at Midway USA...I believe it was discontinued and now Lyman is making them once again.

[9.3X62AL]

The Lyman 311008 is available at Midway USA...I believe it was discontinued and now Lyman is making them once again.

Deleting the Lyman #311008 would be a BONEHEAD PLAY of the highest order. Of course, so was letting the #311316 go out-of-print.