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GLL
03-24-2006, 02:44 PM
Here are a couple more examples for consideration for the Keith Group buy.

Jerry

Left to Right: NEI .451-310 (GC machined off of mould), RCBS 45-255KT, Lyman 452424 Square groove, Ideal 454424 Square groove, Ballisti-Cast #1101(=HG #501)

http://www.fototime.com/E7A5111C6C38662/standard.jpg

45 2.1
03-24-2006, 03:01 PM
Jerry-
I've looked several of these over and am somewhere there in the middle on a design. I don't think anyone wants the Keith original (Ideal 454424 square groove) on this, so something more appropriate would seem in order. All this is up for debate when all of them get posted. Several samples of each would help, please tag each one good. If you have any others please send also. I believe you have my address still don't you?

GLL
03-24-2006, 03:44 PM
45 2.1:

My choice would be the H&G #501(BC#1101) with the RCBS 45-255KT nose glued on ! :) :)

I sent Catshooter a couple pounds of samples that included multiples of all of these. Let me know if he does not forward any to you and I will make up another batch.

Jerry

45 2.1
03-24-2006, 04:41 PM
45 2.1:

My choice would be the H&G #501(BC#1101) with the RCBS 45-255KT nose glued on ! :) :)

I sent Catshooter a couple pounds of samples that included multiples of all of these. Let me know if he does not forward any to you and I will make up another batch.

Jerry

Thats pretty close to what I have already drawn.

Char-Gar
03-25-2006, 10:25 AM
The Hensley and Gibbs version looks to me to be the original Keith concept better than the others with three driving bands of equal width and one square lube groove and the blunt nose. That is the one I would go with.

ktw
03-29-2006, 07:01 PM
Here are a couple more examples for consideration for the Keith Group buy.

I would particpate in a group buy for something based on the the Ballisti-Cast #1101 (H&G Keith). Less interested in the others pictured.

Anyone know what the crimp-to-meplat length is on the Ballisti-Cast #1101?

-ktw

Lloyd Smale
03-29-2006, 07:19 PM
id take one too if it the bc bullet

DanWalker
03-29-2006, 10:31 PM
I'm interested too. Looking for a lighter weight hunting bullet for my 45LC's I like the one on the far right in the picture.

GLL
03-29-2006, 11:06 PM
ktw:

I will measure the #1101 for you Thursday and post it here.

Jerry

j4570
03-30-2006, 09:45 PM
The one on the far right seems to be the best the for me.

Jason

LAH
03-30-2006, 10:30 PM
The bullet on the far right is a very good bullet. This was the Dry Creek 45-255-K John Taffin and Brian Pearce so loved. It's my favorite standard weight 45 Colt bullet. It will cast and releases with ease from the Ballisti Cast moulds (I have 2 ea. 4 cavity). While it's a tad short it still feeds very well from a collator. Most my casting stuff is still packed but here's a picture of some.

LAH
03-30-2006, 10:34 PM
KTW ask: Anyone know what the crimp-to-meplat length is on the Ballisti-Cast #1101?

I don't remember offhand but seems it worked in the S&W & Rugers with ease.

j4570
03-30-2006, 11:18 PM
LAH,

I don't know either, but I used to buy these from a local caster I'm pretty sure (almost all his stuff was H&G), and they shot very well. He quit casting 45 Colt because demand wasn't enough and he would only sell 500 bullets per show max (1/2 the time me).

That being said, I would be happy to have a Keith Design 38/357 (good for K-frames), 44, and 45 copy in the LEE six cavity. Not to highjack this thread but maybe to start a succession of great inexpensive bullets.

My biggest complaint is that the local casters seem to come and go, and I want something I can depend on not changing my loads every time I go to buy bullets, so that means, buy myself.

JW

ktw
03-31-2006, 12:37 AM
KTW ask: Anyone know what the crimp-to-meplat length is on the Ballisti-Cast #1101?

I don't remember offhand but seems it worked in the S&W & Rugers with ease.

I still have some I bought from you. I was not sure which mold you used to produce them until your post above. Those measure out at .370" c-to-m.

They do work well in my ruger. No complaints.

They are too long for a FA/97 cylinder. Need to feed that with something no longer than .350" c-to-m (e.g. the NEI 454-270-pbk).

-ktw

p.s. I was happy buying bullets from you. When you quit, you drove me to start casting my own. A sincere thank you for that, too. ;-)

LAH
03-31-2006, 08:44 AM
KTW I'm glad you're casting. Nothing like it.

You're correct about the C to M length. They wouldn't work in the short FA. I sold a lot of the Lyman Silver Star bullets to FA 97 owners. This is another great, under rated bullet.

I have BC 1101 moulds in both 255 & 265 gr. verisons, the difference being the length of the rear driving band. Both work great. I use the 255 gr as my standard bullet. For heavier stuff I like the RCBS 45-270-SAA.

J4570, like you I want a standard load/bullet for "my sixgun", meaning my everyday sixgun. One bullet, one load, shoot it, learn it, love it. Simple is better.

Dr. A
03-31-2006, 11:39 AM
My guns like the RCBS 270-SAA by far the best. Anyone else shooting this with regularity? It was developed by Dave Scoville. Comes out to 280gr. in plain wheel weights.

GLL
03-31-2006, 11:54 AM
I just measured the B-C #1101 in the photo and will confirm ktw's crimp-meplat as
.370"

Jerry

45 2.1
03-31-2006, 12:05 PM
I just measured the B-C #1101 in the photo and will confirm ktw's crimp-meplat as
.370"

Jerry

That measurement will put the meplat at the end of a single action cylinder with no room to spare. You might have to keep your brass trimmed.

Lloyd Smale
04-01-2006, 06:00 AM
tell you what would be slick is if you had lee cut a mold like the h&g or the rcbs 270 and had them do it with three cavitys plain based and three gas checked.

Cayoot
04-01-2006, 10:12 PM
So just how heavy are we talking here for our finished product? I'd really like to see something that will through my WW boolits somewhere around 275-290 grns.

I've got the wonderful 452423 that was a group buy last year. I really like that mold, but find the boolit is a bit light for my tastes in the .45 Colt. I tend to use it in my .45 acp revolvers. I also have a version of the 452424 which is nice, and I have a couple of molds that through .45 boolits at 320 grains. So I'd like a middle of the road for my main shootin' boolit. That would be best (in my opinion) at around 285 grns.

Just my vote...[smilie=1:

jar-wv
04-01-2006, 11:38 PM
tell you what would be slick is if you had lee cut a mold like the h&g or the rcbs 270 and had them do it with three cavitys plain based and three gas checked.

I'd be interested in a mold like that also.

jar

Catshooter
04-02-2006, 11:54 PM
Lee won't cut two different cavity sizes in one mould. NEI will, but it' alot more money of course.


Cat

Lloyd Smale
04-03-2006, 05:40 AM
i dont know how confusing it would be or how much more work but maybe you could do one of each at the same time.

Blacktail 8541
04-10-2006, 11:06 PM
45 2.1 is there any progress on the 45 kieth bullet design?

Wayne Dobbs
04-11-2006, 11:49 PM
Cayoot,

If you decide to sell that 452423, I would be interested in buying it. I want a mold for that bullet...

Wayne

Cayoot
04-12-2006, 06:13 AM
Cayoot,

If you decide to sell that 452423, I would be interested in buying it. I want a mold for that bullet...

Wayne

Thanks Wayne, but nope! I think it is a great winter carry boolit for my 625 PC (which is my cold weather CC gun).

It is a great boolit and the mould works perfect.

45 2.1
04-12-2006, 07:04 AM
45 2.1 is there any progress on the 45 kieth bullet design?

All of the Keith series boolits are done except for the 38, which is waiting for a square groove sample from GLL that he posted a picture of.

Bodydoc447
04-13-2006, 02:37 PM
45 2.1,

Did you include a .41 in the Keith drawings? Which one? Just a curious .41 fan.

Doc

45 2.1
04-13-2006, 03:06 PM
45 2.1,

Did you include a .41 in the Keith drawings? Which one? Just a curious .41 fan.

Doc

Yes! Keith copies of the 358429, 41 mag H&G, 429421 and 454424.

Bodydoc447
04-13-2006, 03:41 PM
Hot Diggity Damn! I'll be looking forward to the Group Buys Section for several month to come then. THANK YOU!!!

Doc

P.S. Were you able to use those stripper clips?

Cayoot
04-13-2006, 05:46 PM
I was hoping to see a heavy (170ish grain) .358 in that list and I was hoping that we would wind up with a heavier boolit than the 424 in .45.....any chance of uping the weight of that thing to 270-280 grains? Or should I wait and try to get that (those?) going in a seperate thread?

Catshooter
04-14-2006, 12:27 AM
Cayoot,

45 2.1 don't know it yet, but I'm also gonna have him draw up a 310-320 grain .45 for a group buy also. Pretty much match up to the NEI 310-.451, as I do like that boolit in the Ruger. Fits in a Smith, too, just can't go as fast.

So, as 45 2.1 tells me, be patient.


Cat

Cayoot
04-14-2006, 07:01 AM
You're my hero Cat!!!!:-D

Catshooter
04-14-2006, 09:47 PM
Oh my. :oops: That's me blushing.

ddixie884
04-22-2006, 03:36 AM
There are plenty of 260 to 280 gr. SWC's available. I hope this will be a 250 gr. 454424 copy as N frames and New Services are still the same size as when Elmer designed it. He said, on page 229 of SIXGUNS, he would have liked wider bands, but pressure concerns limited bullet weight. He even said, on page230 that the hollow point version was better suited to high velocity loadings than 250 gr. solids.

ddixie884
04-22-2006, 03:15 PM
Creeker, what is the silver star bullet? THANX

ktw
04-22-2006, 05:02 PM
Creeker, what is the silver star bullet? THANX

I'm fairly certain he's refering to the Lyman 452664, a 250gr rnfp.

picture here: http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=000152660664

-ktw

LAH
04-24-2006, 07:45 AM
Yes Sir that's the bullet. The Lyman 452664. The mould I had would cast large enough to size .454. It is a real shooter. Some shy away because of the slight bevel base. I've not found the base of this bullet or the 38 caliber version a problem as with some bullets.

David R
04-24-2006, 05:09 PM
Just looking at the lyman 4 cavity moldls on that website KTW posted and a Lyman 4 banger is only Sixty Bucks!

David

LAH
04-25-2006, 06:31 AM
Cayoot I have two 4 cavity #1101 moulds from Ballisti-Cast. I sent them the alloy I used so they might regulate the mould to the weight I requested which was 255 grs. The moulds I received cast the requested weight from 92-6-2. When casting wheel weights from these moulds the bullet weigh 260 grs. Hope this helps.