8mm group buy

[jballs918]

i know there have been one before but i need one and was wodering if this would ever happend agian

[SharpsShooter]

I don't know if there is enough interest to generate another group buy, but here are a couple of good designs for the 8mm that are ready for purchase now.

http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=000068MMMAX

http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=000068MMKAR


:coffee:

[jballs918]

i know there are great molds out there, but they are only 1 and 2 hole, i can use them for a few different rifles. so a 6 hole would be great

[CENTEX BILL]

I missed out on the last 6 cavity 8mm group buy. If there is enough interest for another one count be in.

Centex Bill

[DX250]

i would be in for a heavy 8mm six banger in the 200-250gr range as i shoot a lot of 8

[redneckdan]

i would be in to, just gotta come up with the funding.

[omgb]

Count me in.

[Buckshot]

...............You guys that are wanting a 6 holer 8mm mould, just step right up and say you're gonna honcho one. Don't 'Me too' the thing then sit there and watch it fade off the screen. There is a 45 cal rifle slug design that has about slipped off the screen because of a lack of a honcho. Guess no one wants it bad enough.

Read my post on authoring a group buy. ANYONE can do it. There is NO exclusive club of Group Buy Honcho's. There are a bunch of folks here who have run a deal (several with 3 or more under thier belts) who would be happy to answer questions of a perspective honcho had any.

An 8mm 6 cavity might go in a month, might be 2 months. Heck, it might be Christmas! It doesn't cost anything to begin a group buy. Set one up and see what happens.

.................Buckshot

[DX250]

I an glad to honcho this buy.

$58.00 shipped
priority mail $6.05
delivery conformation $0.50
insurance $1.35
Mould $50.00

When i woke up and had my wits about me againI read that this design might not feed well and have begun a new design that will turn out a little over 200gr if all goes well. I am going for something closer to the Lyman 323470 but with a longer bore ride section. if anyone has any imput or a good design let me know

I will Post a drawing as soon as i reinstall AutoCAD

My address is:
Brian Ferrall
1828 Rosedown ct
Lawrenceville, GA 30043
Brianattbb@yahoo.com
404-840-1642

Could someone please pin this for me please I would be very greatful

[jballs918]

ok one question for you all, can the 8mm be made into a 32ws. i know hte 8mm is like .324 and the 32ws is .323 could i just use this bullet and just size it down or will the weight be to much

[David R]

way to go greyarea

[45 2.1]

The original order, not group buy since it was handled thru MidSouth Shooters Supplies was a six cavity. They complained because "they didn't think it would sell" and everyone got stuck with single cavity molds. The boolit actually needs a smaller meplat to feed well without hanging up while feeding and it occupies A LOT of depth in the mold. The nose area has very little thickness between it and the bottom of the mold. These are things you should think about.

[Bret4207]

Jballs918- Yes, sizing a 8MM down for your 32WS should work. You'll end up with a much heavier than standard boolit, but working out a load shouldn't be too hard. It'll be a great 100 -125 yard deer thumper!

After reading that I should add that the much longer 8mm might have issues with the 32WS slow twist. I don't recall the specific twist in a 32WS, 1-16" maybe? Someone here can tell you if you'll have problems, I'm sure.

[DX250]

When i woke up and had my wits about me againI read that this design might not feed well and have begun a new design that will turn out a little over 200gr if all goes well. I am going for something closer to the Lyman 323470 but with a longer bore ride section. if anyone has any imput or a good design let me know. I will try to have a design up this evening.

The attached is the 323470

[jballs918]

grey that would be great, the one im using for my 32ws is a rcbs 32-170fn. it casts at about 177 or so. it would be great to have a mold that i could use on a 8mm and a 32ws. make thins alot easier to have them both on one mold.

[jballs918]

sorry one more for you, i read the info in the 323470, they said it was 165grn. now is the one your designing going to be more then that. would 180 be to low or are you looking more into 200. sorry so many questions for you.

[45 2.1]

I am going for something closer to the Lyman 323470 but with a longer bore ride section. if anyone has any imput or a good design let me know.

The 323470 and 323471 shoot ok in the 8mm, but not nearly as good as some of the other 8mm designs. The bands and grooves would benefit greatly if they were wider. The Saeco 190 gr. cast boolit is excellent and weighs in at a little over 190 gr.

[DX250]

The Saeco 190gr boolitlooks like a much better choice to me. Thanks for the imput. Just need a technical drawing of it or I could likley create one from an example. I am working on aquiring a drawing.

[Junior1942]

Why not make it with more grooves for us Lee Liquid Alox fans?

[Maineboy]

Why not make it with more grooves for us Lee Liquid Alox fans?

Junior, I haven't found a design yet that doesn't work well with liquid alox.

[Junior1942]

Me either, Maineboy. But that one big groove on the SAECO bullet shown above won't cut the mustard with liquid Alox, IMHO.

[SharpsShooter]

Are we talking "New Design" or simply a copy of the Saeco 190gr?

[45 2.1]

Me either, Maineboy. But that one big groove on the SAECO bullet shown above won't cut the mustard with liquid Alox, IMHO.

You don't know until you've tried it Junior, and I did long ago. Like Maineboy said, most everything works fine with LLA. Besides, that boolit is a very good long range shooter, it just needs to cast a little larger than the Saeco mold puts out.

[Buckshot]

greyarea ...............Suggestion. This thread should be used to hash out the design you're looking for. Once it has reached the point where you are satisfied with it, start a thread with the final design (or and address to it), announcing the Group Buy is "On" . Then PM a moderator and ask to have it made a 'Sticky'.

They need to make YOUR post a sticky so you may edit to add zips for those checks you've recieved.

I think you've made a wise decision with your pricing at $58

..............Buckshot

[DX250]

I agree with you buckshot this thread should be used to determine a design.

Lets start with the weight, How heavy does everyone want this to be?
I was thinking 190-225gr range what do you all think?

Also what type of lube grove do you want a TL or a standard grove and how many of themdo you want?
i am kind of indifferent at this point but i have not cast for rifle before.



As far as the mould cost at $58 it is based on shipping from Georgia to Washington state.

[SharpsShooter]

OK,


.325 diameter
225+ for weight
3 - standard groove(s)
Gas Check Design.


I'm in for one depending on final design specs.

[Dutch4122]

I'd go in for one in the 190-200 grn weight range. As cast .326"+ that I can size down. Two or three lube grooves, etc. Seems like something similar to the Saeco would fit the bill.

Just my 2 cents.

[castalott]

Great minds think alike , Dutch! ( lol)

Me too! .326 driving bands with a nose that will sure bore ride.....190 gr sounds good. The Saeco design interests me very much.

Question....Does it look like the gas check shank is a little short? I wouldn't want the gas check to bottom out on the bottom driving band.....either move the bottom driving band up to make the shank longer or take some of the nose away and add that length to the gas check shank.... just my .02....

[45 2.1]

The gas check doesn't bottom on the band on the Saeco, but it is close. What we have never done in the 32 caliber is have a plinker, something on the order of the Lyman 32359, which I have been trying to find for years now. It could serve the 32 Special, 32-40, 8mm with a weight about 155 to 160 gr plain base in a modified tumble lube design.

[castalott]

hmm.... I like the plinker....That would serve me well.....The only change I would have is a little bevel base to assist in loading....Change my preference to the plinker please....

[jballs918]

45 you hit it on the head man. i cast a rcbs 32-170-fn. i love the bullet but i only have a 2 holer. i think a 160 or 170 plinker would be great. or if you guy would like the 150. that would be great. i was thinking that if we could do it like 324 or 325. i have a 32ws and im looking for a 8mm. i have all the stuff for the 32ws. so that is why i was thinking about a 6 holer

[Buckshot]

..............greyarea, I think about the heaviest slug you're going to get in a 6 banger Lee will be about 200 grs. The devil is in the length and the 6 cavity blocks will only stand so much. I'm at work so I can't check their height, however the 185gr original Fat 30 used up a goodly portion of it.

Your weight gain will mostly be due to the larger OD then any length increase. Such limitations on the 311407 made it a 311407 MOD in that it wouldn't drop a 183+ gr slug as did the Lyman blocks. Possibly while I'm at home asleep tomorrow (or actually today) someone will post the max length you can go, which offhand I think is 1.1" but that is up to review and correction.

...............Buckshot

[DX250]

1.0" is what lee states is the longest in a six cavity.

I like the idea of a TL plinker but i would prefer a gc design. though if everyone's prefrance would be a 32/8mm plinker i would be happy to do that. for a plinker i like what 45 posted.

[jballs918]

plinking with g/c would be wonderful

[Bret4207]

Has anyone considered just sizing up the Fat 30? A .325 or.326 Fat 32 would work well with Lee Frog Snot, is a proven accurate design and would be within the weight specs. Yes, it's a gas check. Mine shoots great. Just a thought that I think should be considered.

On the "plinker" idea. We tried this in the "30 Cal Plinker" a 150'ish PB tumble lube design. So far no raves about it. Actually, so far no one mentions shooting it at all and there was a bunch of them sold. I think there was 1 or 2 posts about it way back, maybe on Aimoo. A little more research would be inorder there to avoid any issues.

[DX250]

I was looking at the fat 30 and it was what i was thinking when i thought casting for 8X57.

[45 2.1]

Theres not been much said about any of the group buys. The 30 plinker was a lars45 design with the LEE tumble lube setup. The plinker above was modified for running thru a sizer or for use with Frog Snot plus it could be sized down for the 32 rifle cartridges withoutr hurting it. There has been more suggestions of different designs than any proposed group buy that we've done to date with no consensus! Lets do something we haven't done in this caliber, huh, cause we've got alot of big boolits from 175 gr up to 250 gr. ( four group buys ) for the 8mm, with absolutely no plinking boolits available in this caliber. Do something different please.

[Maineboy]

How about a 8mm soup can?

[DX250]

Enough said I did nor know about the privious buys. If it would not be a problem I am happy with 45 2.1's design for the plinkerin a 150gr plain base.

[jballs918]

no gas check

[DX250]

This is what I have come up with based od 45 2.1's design for a plinker if there are no complaints I will go ahead and start the buy. All dimentions are -0.000 +0.003 as per Lee tolerances.

[Cayoot]

Now THAT looks interesting!

That's something I'd be interested in getting.:-D

[castalott]

Hi!
I would like a thicker (wider= stronger) base band. The base band takes all the pressure. A wider base band would also be harder to damage in loading and sizing. A damaged base band wouldn't seal well and would be the last thing out of the bore. Any thoughts?

[Bodydoc447]

I would think that a thicker base band would be a good idea, too, for the reason cast-a-lot mentioned. What would be the target weight for said boolit? This intrigues me as a cheap plinking boolit for the turks, yugos and 98-Ks floating around.

Doc

[SharpsShooter]

I guess I’ll have to be the voice of dissention. The concept of a 6-banger producing a boolit of 190gr or a bit more is the direction of my interest. Reduced load data is available for the 8mm to make it very plinking friendly for the heavier weights and at the same time retain the type of boolit that can be pushed up in velocity and become a serious medium or big game boolit.


:coffee:

[jballs918]

hey guys when i first started this thread i what i was looking for was a 6 holer for my 32ws. then i looked into it and i saw that teh 8mm was really close. so i thought maybe i could get a six banger for this. i was looking for a bullet that was about .325 and about 180grn with a gas check. i love the design of the bullet that is on sharp shooters icon. i think that with 2 o grooves and a gc at 190 at .325 would be great. that way it could be ran in a 32 and a 8mm. i know there has been alot of questions and changing but this is what i was looking for. i think this would be a great bullet for both plinking and also hunting. i cast the rcbs 32-170-fn. its a great bullet, the only thing is that if it was at .325 and a bit heavier. grey the lastest design is also nice i just think it needs gas check. just my 2 cents.

[SharpsShooter]

This is along the lines of my thoughts. The nose should be short enough to use in lever guns.

[Junior1942]

This is along the lines of my thoughts. The nose should be short enough to use in lever guns.That big meplat might feed poorly in old Mausers. And I prefer tumble lube grooves.

[DX250]

If my calculations serve me it would turn out right at 150gr. I think increasing the baseband to 0.100" and OAL to 0.762" would serve to solve the problems that were pointed out in a plain base.

[jballs918]

hhmm designing a bullet is tuff, if this will help any i can measure my rcbs and see what it is. i know that when i use my lever action that it is a bit shorter then what is in the powder info on the lyman manual so maybe that will help. and if it was casted in 326 could you cut it down to 323 and still have enough for good lub wells.

[DX250]

Again if my calculations are correct ( been a while since i took algebra or geometry whatever it was) the grove diamiter should be 0.300"

[jballs918]

ok my 32-170-fn measured at .898 long. that was a 177.5 grn bullet. i know for my lever that i have to have a oal of no more then 2.5 inches. i have a model 64 prewar

[DX250]

the OAL should be 2.326" if seated so crimping would occur in the forward most grove for 32ws

[jballs918]

as i said the info i got was from the lyman. i could be wrong. but if it is at 2.3 or so then this should not be a problem. please excuse my ignorance on this matter im still trying to learn on this kinda stuff.

[SharpsShooter]

That big meplat might feed poorly in old Mausers. And I prefer tumble lube grooves.


Junior,

Good point about the feeding. I did that one with leverguns in mind. I don't use LLA so I can't comment about its usage.

BTW it is a simple matter to reduce the % of meplat wiith a quick redraw.

:coffee:

[SharpsShooter]

Here is a reduced meplat version. Boolit OAL is .922 in this configuration.

[Larry Gibson]

Here is a reduced meplat version. Boolit OAL is .922 in this configuration.

I really like the first design as I feed lots of short stubby SWCs and bullets of similar desiign through Mausers without problem. However, I'd go with this design. It looks like a good 8mm design. Any idea when orders will be taken?

Larry Gibson

[Larry Gibson]

This is what I have come up with based od 45 2.1's design for a plinker if there are no complaints I will go ahead and start the buy. All dimentions are -0.000 +0.003 as per Lee tolerances.

I would go with a plinker like this also. Should be marvelous over about 6.5 gr Bullseye for around 1150 fps out of most M98s. Are you taking orders?

Larry Gibson

[DX250]

Is it just me or does it look like we need two buys a 32/8mm plain base plinker and a high velocity gas check one?

[jballs918]

not sure if we would have enough folks for both. i want a gc so that i could use it in both guns and drive it hard or use a reduced load, maybe we need to do another thread and see. can we post the 2 that we want to do then go from there. i still havent firuged put how to post yet. i think the last g/c bullet that we did looked like a winner. and also the last plain based looked really well. maybe we do need 2 group buys. if the bullet design has been decided then maybe i can hencho the 8mm/32ws g/c. the only thing is i cant make any changes to it. and also i dont have the slightest idea on how to summbit the order and the design. just my 2 cents

[SharpsShooter]

Is it just me or does it look like we need two buys a 32/8mm plain base plinker and a high velocity gas check one?


I hate that I've stirred up all this fuss. It was my understanding in the beginning that we were looking for a GC design at 180gr+. My earlier comments were just intended to get us back to the original item...Buckshot once told me that these threads often "take on a life of their own" and that appears to be the case here.

:coffee:

[DX250]

i think you are correct a poll might be in order. Personally i would perfer a GC that will drop at about .325and could be sized down to fit my 32-40

[DX250]

not sure if we would have enough folks for both. i want a gc so that i could use it in both guns and drive it hard or use a reduced load, maybe we need to do another thread and see. can we post the 2 that we want to do then go from there. i still havent firuged put how to post yet. i think the last g/c bullet that we did looked like a winner. and also the last plain based looked really well. maybe we do need 2 group buys. if the bullet design has been decided then maybe i can hencho the 8mm/32ws g/c. the only thing is i cant make any changes to it. and also i dont have the slightest idea on how to summbit the order and the design. just my 2 cents


I have said i would honcho this buy.

[jballs918]

grey,

please dont think im trying to step on toes im not. i just really want to get a 6 banger is all. i put up a thread for the 8mm/32ws gas check just to see if maybe we can do both. i cant thank you and shooter enough for your help with this. :-D . you guys have bent over backwards to try to get a great design and i thank you both for that.

jason

[DX250]

If you would like the plinker design
please post here. if there is enough interest we may do 2 buys maybe

[Bodydoc447]

I'd like a plain based plinker design. I already got in on the last 8mm GC group buy for my needs in that area. Just my dos centavos.

Doc

[Cayoot]

I am also happy with the last 8mm group buy. I'm looking for a lighter, plain-based plinker now.

[Buckshot]

............I've posted a poll as a sticky that will remain open for 10 days. It's simple. Gas Check or none Gas check. You all hash out the design from there.

.................Buckshot

[DX250]

Lets get the two designs worked out so they are ready for the end of the poll.
We need to get all of the problems complaints and requested changes out and generaly agreed apon hopefully before the poll is up in 10 days.

These are the two most recent designs. Just to let everyone know I cannot get AutoCAD to work on my computer right now keeps having a fatal error.

[SharpsShooter]

I reduced the Meplat to 55% for better feeding. See post #56.

[DX250]

Sorry wrong gc design this is the current Thanks Shatpshoorer

[SharpsShooter]

Noooo Problem!

[DX250]

Due to the poll responce thus far it seems that there is enough interest in the GC boolit to start a buy on it. I will be starting the buy monday ro Tuesday. I am assuming that everyone is happy with the current design because of no responces to the presented one. I am going to go ahead with the current design that Sharpshooter created with a 55% meplat. Please keep voting on the poll as if there is enough interest in the plinker I will be happy to proceed with a buy on that also.

[techlava]

Is there anyone with a 8mm GB mold he is willing to part with? My many 8mm Mausers
needs feeding. Thanks.