ruger p 95 leading

[parrott1969]

any ideas on what is going on? The barrel slugged at .353- .354. I am shooting 125 grain round nose lead bullet from a lee mold. They are from wheel weights, water dropped and aged 1 week. It drops boolits at .358 and that is how i am shooting them. They just fit the chamber. This boolit is sitting over 5.3 grains of unique and i am tumble lubeing with LLA. I also cleaned the barrel with a copper remover. :twisted:

Thanks

[runfiverun]

standard answer to this one.
change the lube.

[parrott1969]

runfiverun thanks for your input, so you believe that the problem is the liquid alox? I know every gun is different but it boggles my brain how i can shoot 170 grain 30/30 loads at over 2000 fps with LLA and not have any leading, but a 9mm at 1100 fps will lead.

[runfiverun]

theres another thread running on this same boolit problem ,it has been a reurring theme with this one.
you might try the jpw/alox mix and see if it helps.
sorry to sound sarcastic in the first post.

[rhead]

runfiverun thanks for your input, so you believe that the problem is the liquid alox? I know every gun is different but it boggles my brain how i can shoot 170 grain 30/30 loads at over 2000 fps with LLA and not have any leading, but a 9mm at 1100 fps will lead.

The 30 30 bullet probably has a gas check. If changing the lube to a few different formulations does not help try using air cooled bullets and then 50 50 wheel weights and pure lead. Keep changing one thing at the time until the problem gets better. The results of slugging your barrel seemed a little tight. Could you feel a distinct tight spot? Just another possibility.
Don't worry about a boggled mind you will get used to the state. It will not go away.

[parrott1969]

runfiverun, no offense taken. I have been lurking here for sometime and i know that this is a common question. I was kind of hopeing some one would tell me that i was stupid for shooting such a large slug and that was my problem. Has'nt happened yet. Damn the bad luck! LOL

[parrott1969]

rhead, that is what i was thinking of doing, air cooling that is. I may have to break down and buy a hardness tester. I was number crunching and by the book I need a hardness of 18-20 but we all know that the book is only good for toliet paper. LOL. I did not notice any tight spots in the barrel but i will slug it again just to be sure. Thanks for you help.

[runfiverun]

if it will chamber it ain't too big.
for a while i was messing with a 158 swc button nose boolit in my 9mm.
sized to 3585,it was showin some real potential,but it warmed up and i went back to the rifles.
the 9 just don't interest me much,btw it was a lyman boolit with carnuba red in the bottom groove of a 3 groove boolit and 2 grs titegroup.
no there isn't a load in the books for it and i really don't recommend it. i was bored.
cast from straight air cooled ww's. sometimes a boolit design just isn't right for your gun no matter how well it measures out to fit.

[rhubarb]

18-20 BHN? In my P95, the leading went away when I stopped water dropping and started air cooling. I also tumble lube with JPW/LLA.

[243winxb]

Bullet dia. no bigger that .002" over groove dia. Air cool, not water drop. Add 2% or more tin. Make sure bullet has a brownish look to it after coating with Alox or Xlox. Warm the lube to apply , dont dilute it with mineral spirits.
Liquid Alox application

Best results in applying liquid alox are when the alox is heated before applying, or thinned with paint thinner. This makes it flow more easily, and results in a more even coat. One technique is to boil water and pour it into a coffee mug, and then drop the bottle of liquid alox into the mug for about five minutes.

Place your freshly cast bullets into something about the size of a Cool Whip bowl and drop a few drops of liquid Alox on the bullets. Mix the bullets around until they are all coated. Lay the freshly coated bullets on some wax paper to dry. Liquid alox will usually dry enough overnight to reload the next day, depending upon the humidity. Tacky bullets can be dusted with powdered graphite.

If you subscribe to the "more is better" line of thought, your coated bullets may never dry. Don't go for a "golden" color but rather just a light varnish. If you discover that your bullets are sticky the next day, you can get by with using a little less the next time. Keep reducing until the "stickiness" is gone by the next day.

If you are sizing your cast bullets, it is necessary to lube them first. Because the sizer will remove some of the surface of a larger diameter bullet, you may need to re-lubricate the bullets after they have been sized.

Many of our bullets are of the "TL" or Tumble Lube design. These bullets have many shallow grooves that are perfect for allowing Liquid Alox to adhere to a great amount of surface. It has been reported that the accuracy of these bullets is high.
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[putteral]

I use the 124gr TL Lee design in my KP95 with very minimal leading if any at all, nothing a couple of swipes with chore boy can't clean. I water quench straight wheel weights and tumble lube with LLA. I size them to .356. Have been using 5.8 grs of AA #5 and seating to the second groove.

[Doble Troble]

Leading starts in my nines at about 5 gr Unique with all the cast bullets I shoot (105 gr SWC, 124 gr Lee tumble lube RN, 136 gr slippery nine from a group buy here).

The nine can be a tough one to shoot cast in - high pressures. Maybe LLA isn't up to it, I don't know.

You might be running them a bit fat for your bore too.