Anyone know of a "cluster bomb" bullet mould for 12 ga

[prupp]

I seen a 12 ga mould sold on ebay a few years back called a cluster bomb. it had 4 buckshot balls held together and you stacked them into a shell. If anyone has one to sell, or has one i could borrow i will gladly pay. any info on where to get one would be helpful too.

thanks
Phil

[45nut]

Ya,,own one with another Moderator here,Krag35,,Buckshot has it now,,and Lar45 has borrowed it before. Neat mold but the alignment is troublesome. I have a stack of the clusters here somewhere......
Send me a PM and somewhere down the road I can let ya try it.

[Buckshot]

Ya,,own one with another Moderator here,Krag35,,Buckshot has it now,,and Lar45 has borrowed it before. Neat mold but the alignment is troublesome. I have a stack of the clusters here somewhere......
Send me a PM and somewhere down the road I can let ya try it.

................I'll have to be sure to give that to Deputy Al so he can transport it to Winnemucca for me!

.................Buckshot

[Bret4207]

I knew a guy once who claimed, (he claimed a lot of things...), that he took large split shot and ran a copper wire through them and loaded them up that way as buckshot. Said they flew fine and were certain death on coyotes at 125 yards. Just a thought.

[prupp]

have any of you guys loaded these and fired them, do they break up on impact and cause a mess?

[MT Gianni]

Bret, did this guy ride in the front seat or the back seat? Gianni.

[Bret4207]

Mt G- He wa one of those know it all types who made incredible claims. Sad to say he actually could do 2 or 3 of the things he claimed, but the other 99% was mostly bs. His biggest claim was being a "Green Beret in the USMC during VN". He was 2 weeks younger than me and I was way too young for VN, plus the GB is a US Army outfit, not USMC. I just let him ramble for the fun of it all. The guy could shoot though. Mind you it was a shotgun, but he could bust clay birds all day long. Last I heard he was working at a casino in Nevada someplace.

[guninhand]

PRUPP,

I've saw those molds on ebay and they went for a goodly sum. If you just want buckshot try

http://www.do-itmolds.com/products/specialpurposemolds.php?UID=20060319120032142.176. 61.245&category=sling_shot_pellet_molds

You get 11 .30 cal, or 11 of #1 buck, a throw. I cast them from wheelweights and load 12 to a hull. At first I had problems getting the cavities to fill out. Then I simultaneously scrubbed them out good with dish soap and opened up the entrance hole to each cavity with a bit 1/32 inch larger than the bit which would just fit in.

Also there is only one pouring technique that works for me and that is, with a bottom pour pot, start the flow going into the far cavity and then quickly draw the mold back and forth through the flow, quick enough so that only part of each cavity gets filled with a single pass.

Those .30 cal balls self stack nicely in the shot cup. I never tried it but you might get them to cluster bomb if you melted a hard wax and poured it in on the layers of buckshot as you inserted them, waiting till the wax hardened and putting in a thin wad of wax paper to separate layers before continuing with the next layer.

Maybe just wax encase one layer of the 4 layers for starters, fire on butcher paper to see if it has held together.

Be cautious of chamber pressure, of course.

[nighthunter]

Years ago we used to "Ring" shotgun shells. You needed a factory loaded shell such as Winchester that had a melted in the center seal. You would then use a knife to cut the shotgun shell about half way through in the middle of the wad. The results are a very deadly projectile that could be shot to about 150 yards with mediocre accuracy. When the projectile hit all the shot was released at one time. I saw a guy shoot a deer in the chest at 35 yards with one. The result was an instantly dead deer with a chest wound that I have never seen duplicated.
Nighthunter

[prupp]

45nut,

Did you get the pm i sent you, Im not sure if i did it correctly

[beagle]

Orygun Mark has one of the cluster bomb moulds and sent me a bag full.

His mould suffers from alignment problems as well as most of them seem to. The individual balls tend to run around .250".

I loaded them in my M870 Rem with the short "cop" barrel.

Firing into plywood seems to break the clusters apart pretty well. At 50 yards, the 4 clusters went into about a foot circle. At 100 yards, they're all over the place.

Looks like they'd be great for urban warfare inside of houses and such where firing through drywall would tend to break them apart.

I've also split 00 buckshot and clamped them on a nylon string out of parachute cord about 2" apart and loaded them in a shell. At 50 yards, the "cluster" went into about an 8" "group". This was from a sawed off 12 guage with a barely legal barrel. Definitely not something you'd want to get hit with. They are time consuming to put together though.

Pretty interesting concept but not of much practical use. I'd rather use an ounce and a half of #2s./beagle

[crazy mark]

I'm sending prupp some samples and will post scans of the mould. Mark

[redneckdan]

Years ago we used to "Ring" shotgun shells. You needed a factory loaded shell such as Winchester that had a melted in the center seal. You would then use a knife to cut the shotgun shell about half way through in the middle of the wad. The results are a very deadly projectile that could be shot to about 150 yards with mediocre accuracy. When the projectile hit all the shot was released at one time. I saw a guy shoot a deer in the chest at 35 yards with one. The result was an instantly dead deer with a chest wound that I have never seen duplicated.
Nighthunter


I've done that same, called it a cut shell. you can do it with modern shells too, just cut where the legs on the wad are, but don't cut the wad. shoot it into a clay bank, you will be impressed.

[crazy mark]

Here is a scan of the cluster bomb mould with some dimensions. Mark

[nighthunter]

Hmmmmm ... that is a very interesting looking mold. I have never seen anything quite like it. Let me know your results.
Nighthunter

[prupp]

Thanks for the picture, I think i may try to make one that will do 4 cluster at a time. Are molds generally made of steel, or do you think aluminum is best for these?

[Leftoverdj]

I've seen the split shot clamped onto wire thing tried. ONCE!

One of the shot caught the target frame while the rest of the shot were pivoted on the wire. When the wire broke, the whole contraption went howling off in a radically different direction. It's entirely too easy to envision the shot headed straight back when the wire breaks to want anything to do with that trick.

Similar to the cluster bombs are the swaged slugs made of 3-4 pieces intended to break apart on impact.

[crazy mark]

Thanks for the picture, I think i may try to make one that will do 4 cluster at a time. Are molds generally made of steel, or do you think aluminum is best for these?


This is made of steel. I don't know why an aluminum one wouldn't work. These balls are slightly joined at the sides and the center is open. Mark

[Four Fingers of Death]

I've trued that as well, very impressive. I put four cuts in the case wall so that she is about three quarters cut through. I always was going to try the old hard sealing wax poured in over the buckshot and let dry. I also thought it would be worth trying filling / sealer type glue poured over the balls. The things that keep boys busy!

[357maximum]

WOE WOE WOE

Pouring wax over buckshot has a reported ability to SUBSTANTIALLY raise pressure well into the KABOOM zone. i have Never seen any actual gun destroyed by it, and I damn well hope I never do.

If you want a slug lyman will gladly sell you a mold , and you just might retain that grey matter that keeps your skull from collapsing.

[Intel6]

PRUPP,

I've saw those molds on ebay and they went for a goodly sum. If you just want buckshot try

http://www.do-itmolds.com/products/specialpurposemolds.php?UID=20060319120032142.176. 61.245&category=sling_shot_pellet_molds




I borrowed one of the cluster moulds from a friend and cast some up. I loaded them up and shot them with dismal results. As far as I could tll the clusters were not breaking up and the clusters didn't pattern very close to each other. I kept some of the casts and gave the mould back. I now use the Do-It mould to make regular buck out of wheel weights. I have had great results with them and regularly shoot a nice reduced recoil 12 pellet load I worked up.

Neal in AZ

[Old Jim]

During the civil war an enterprising artillery officer devised a shell that was hollow and cut in half. Each side had a ring welded in and a length of chain hooked to the rings and wound into a ball inside the two halves. When the round was fired the two halves seperated and created a huge rotary mower effect. Another officer saw that and simply had rings welded onto the outside of 16 pound shot with 50 ft of chain between the two shot. Each ball was loaded into it's own cannon and the guns were fired simultaneously. Worked well once. On the second attempt, one gun misfired and served as the anchor point for a 50 foot radius of destruction. The idea died with it's originator.
I would think the idea of the wired together pellets would be an equally bad idea as stated by Leftoverdj. Not anything I want to try. Much like the exploding arrow a friend came up with.

[357maximum]

"Much like the exploding arrow a friend came up with."

I had a buddy try a self propelled arrow, (model rocket solid fuel) made one ell of a hole in a newish ford ranger pickup. On the plus side his truck bed would never ever fill with water even if the weep holes plugged..


stupid normally hurts just as it should