Question for Ruger collectors

[buck1]

I picked up a Ruger Super single Six 3 screw the other day. It has the transfer bar safty. I would have bought the gun anyway but the guy selling it swears that it left the factory with the transfer bar safty. I know we can get them fitted with them from ruger. But this guy was very strongly telling me this after I bought the gun.
He said it was right before they changed to the 2 pin model and Ruger made a very few with the transfer bar safty and 3 screws.
The triger is a bit heavy but very clean. It must be on half cock to load. A fine looking rust brown /purple cyl frame, screws are 100%, and gun is in mint cond. MFG 1965ish any ideas?... Thanks...buck

[454PB]

I own a few Rugers, but don't consider myself a collector, or an expert on their history. However, it seems to me that the "new models" with the transfer bar didn't come out until 1973. You might want to do some research here:

http://www.ruger.com/Firearms/SE-H-Revolver.html

[J Miller]

buck1,

The seller is blowing smoke at you. ALL the 3 screws left the factory with the old style action. It wasn't untill the early 80's that Ruger started retro fitting with the CYA transfer bar action.
He probably has had people refuse to buy it without the original action, so he's trying to scam somebody into buying it now.

The original actions are going for anywhere from $80.00 to $150.00 now. So anytime you look at a converted Old Model, consider that without the original action, they are worth at least that much less than an unconverted one.

Joe

[wills]

WHAT ??

But Ruger’s advertising ASSURES us the transfer bar conversion won’t affect the value. It wouldn’t as far as I'm concerned, because I wouldn’t buy one.

[StarMetal]

I'll have to agree with Miller. There's no way Ruger was going to use up three screw frames by putting the new system in them, that's dumb. That gun was sent back to the factory and converted by Ruger. Ruger had practically demanded that I sent my old three screw model 45 LC Blackhawk in so they could convert it. They even mailed me a shipping box. I told them no thanks. I quit buying the Rugers the day they started going safety crazy. I had said once before on the forum that the Ruger single actions had gotten to big. Ridiculous to put a nice 357 on that giant 44 mag frame. I guess I'm right, Ruger coming out every month with a new old small size model. First the the original small frame 357 Blackhawk and just recently the Vasqueo's with small frames. They had an except gun to start with and then over engineered it with all the safetly crap. The way I loaded all my single action sixshooters was load one, skip one, load four, let the hammer down on the empty chamber. Even the old cowboys only carried five rounds in their sixshooters.

Now they've went and over engineered their 22 rimfire autos. It's got all the fancy gizzmos now, even a loaded chamber indicator. What's next, the gun talking to you....Ok, you got your finger on my trigger, I'm getting ready to fire...I just fired...or...You can't shoot, I don't have a magazine in me.

Sorry folks, I don't like to be force fed sately stuff. Maybe they should make two models, one for folks like and the other for those that want all that safety crap.

Anyways your gun has been converted, what I don't know is if when you send one into Ruger do they give you your original parts back. I imagine you could find Ruger parts to put it back to original.

Joe

[J Miller]

Ruger tried to coerce me into letting them corrupt my Blackhawk too. I said, no way guys.

Supposedly they send you the original parts back "for collectors purposes". As far as I"m concernced, they can keep their conversion crap. If I wanted the transfer bar in my single action, I'd buy a New Model. I like my Old Models as they were originally built.

As for the new P345, MkIII, and the key locks on the New Vacqueros and 50th Anniversay guns, Ruger is doing this so they can sell the guns in CA and NJ. The rest of us have to suffer just because the voters in those states can't get rid of the socialist pigs they have in office.

As for finding the actions, they are not that plentifull. You'll find them on eBay and some of the other gun auctions, but that's about it. And they are getting very expensive. Consider that they have been making the New Model now as long as they made the Old Models. And Ruger has not made an Old Model replacement action since the conversion action came out over 20 years ago. All the actions and parts you find are original vintage parts. Many of us Ruger collectors and shooter are gathering them up and hording them.

I have two extra actions, and am looking for the other two I need. Just in case ........

Joe

[454PB]

Hey guys.....don't blame Ruger ------It's the lawyers!

[J Miller]

454PB,

The lawyers are a big part of it that for sure, but somewhere in the scheme of things it all boils down to us. The consumer. We buy things for a variety of reasons.
The very worst of which is because the government says this is OK for us to have, and this other one isn't.
Once it reaches that point, and it has, it's gone too far.

I blame the sheeple who have allowed the political machine to tilt so far left.


Hey I like your avatar. That's pretty classy. I might try some pics of my own with my Old Model BH.


Joe

[C1PNR]

454PB,

The lawyers are a big part of it that for sure, but somewhere in the scheme of things it all boils down to us. The consumer. We buy things for a variety of reasons.
The very worst of which is because the government says this is OK for us to have, and this other one isn't.
Once it reaches that point, and it has, it's gone too far.

I blame the sheeple who have allowed the political machine to tilt so far left.


Hey I like your avatar. That's pretty classy. I might try some pics of my own with my Old Model BH.


Joe
It's "us" all right. But the real "us" problem is the "us" that sits on the jury! All the "us" has to do is say "NO!" and the lawyers go looking for other, more lucrative, business. Like, maybe, filing Class Action lawsuits against Corporations wherein the Lawyers retain almost ALL the proceeds.http://castboolits.gunloads.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif http://castboolits.gunloads.com/images/smilies/icon_evil.gif

End of rant. Sorry.

[wills]

It's "us" all right. But the real "us" problem is the "us" that sits on the jury! All the "us" has to do is say "NO!"

EXACTLY!!!

[45 2.1]

The rest of us have to suffer just because the voters in those states can't get rid of the socialist pigs they have in office.

Joe-
If you haven't noticed, Illinois is kinda full of those fellas too.

[J Miller]

45 2.1,

I've noticed, but I didn't mention IL because so far the socialist pigs here haven't started the same crap as CA or NJ ...... yet. Hopefully I'll be long out of here by the time they do. God willing and creek don't rise.


Joe

[45 2.1]

Joe-
They haven't started it yet due to lack of funding (State of Illinois is broke due to political decisions) and the people aren't docile enough.

[J Miller]

Ah, you mean they gotta tax us more to make us more docile. Then when we're so broke we can't pat attention then they take away our guns. I get it. They're trying to do it like CA did.


Joe

[454PB]

You are right, it is the juries that make the decisions, but many times they get boxed into a lawyers definitions. Seems many people will not take responsibilty for their own actions. Does your OM Ruger look like this? It's a Ruger 10" Flattop .44 magnum.

[Four Fingers of Death]

Unfortunately, it is the way of the world now. A few people litigate when they get 'hurt' and it has got to the stage where companies and organisations are now tying up loose ends to avoid any chance of liability.

'It's not our fault that your ******* husband blew his fool head off or shot his neighbour at the range, we put a crossbolt safety on the gun and he removed it contrary to all warnings in the instruction manual which was supplied with the rifle and the barrel was even engraved with instructions so that he could get a replacement manual.'

Manafacturers are no doubt not happy with this state of affairs either, but if they have a choice of installing a safety device or taking a chance of going out of business or sustaining a large settlement against them, the safety device is the safest way to go. It is a tangible thing, they can budget for it, the other option is like playing Russian roulette, it might be ok and then again, it really might not be ok.

It is unfair to expect them to gamble with their money and their future for things we are unhappy with.

If you work nowadays you will notice the continual ( and enormously annoying) finetuning of corporate/orginasition/company policy and procedures to ensure the organisition is protected.

We have become the victims of incompetents, whingers and dishonest folk who manipulate and take advantage of the legal system, which was designed to give all a fair go.

Don't flame me about this, I'm not happy with it either, but just reporting the facts.

Mick.

[9.3X62AL]

Very succinctly stated, Mick. A lot of reversal of evolutionary theory in what happens inside courtrooms, methinks--the absence of common sense that is part and parcel of these incidents was supposed to kill off the idiots who performed these stunts, to guard against repetition by example and minimize chances of reproduction of the idiot. Oh, no--that won't do at all--rather, it's better once aware of a "problem" to 1) search for the guilty, then 2) punish the innocent, followed by 3) rewards for the marginally involved.

Still, I'm glad that civil trial lawyers do what they do, rather than practice oncology. This bunch would nurture the cancer in hopes it changed its nature, rather than eliminate the cancer. You need look no further than the criminal justice system to see evidence of this tendency.

It makes one wonder just who Ruger (and others) are building their products for--it isn't US, for damn sure.

[Char-Gar]

A few years back, I picked up a beat up 3 screw BH (6.5" bbl) for $124 at a hoch shop. The barrel and cylinder were pitted like a waterpipe inside, but out side the pistol was in good shape. I figured somebody tried shooting black powder in it, and didn't clean it good.

I sent it back to Ruger, and they installed a new cylinder, new 4.5" barrel, blued it and install new grips for $135.00. Of course they converted it but sent the old parts back at my request.

I pitched the new parts in the trash and put in the old ones. Ruger doesn't care, as they butt is covered. They records will show it was converted and if I or somebody shoot themselves with it, Ruger can prove it was tampered with after it left their factory.

Last year, I installed a stainless steel grip frame and blue steel ejector hoursing. I also fitted a Belt Mountain base pin. I also worked on the hammer full cock notch and put a crisp 2.5 lbs trigger pull on the revolver.

All in all it has to be one of the most attractive, best balanced and accurate revolvers I have ever held.