SuperBizzare project idea...

[Old Ironsights]

Assume a single shot (or double) rifle in .35Rem / 9.1x40

Could a removable chamber sleeve be made that would allow the use of .357Mag?

[SciFiJim]

I think that instead of of chamber sleeve you would need a cartridge sleeve shaped like a .35Rem cartridge. Maybe machined out of stainless. The cartridge blank would probably have to be smooth bore. The issue would be extracting the .357 cartridge from the .35Rem blank.

[Old Ironsights]

That's what I meant. Thanks for correcting me.

I said "chamber sleeve" because I use Guage-mate chamber sleeves in my Samascus 16Ga...

[imashooter2]

These guys sell adapters, but I don't see what you want. Probably a problem with the .457 head diameter of the .35 Rem vs. the .435 rim of the .357. Not a lot of metal left there and you still have to machine an extractor groove.

http://www.mcace.com/adapters.htm

[jdgabbard]

You don't have to machine a groove. You can actually extract the entire unit and then just knock the case out of the other end. Lots of people have tried this before, mostly with other calibers, but the problem you're going to run into is the long run of free bore before you get to the rifling. Not gonna be the most accurate combo, but would be good for saving a little powder when reloading, as it could also be used with .38spl if you wanted to.

[imashooter2]

I meant an extractor groove in the circumference of the adapter to simulate a .35 Rem case and facilitate extraction.

[Bret4207]

That's not super bizarre. It should work fine.

Super bizarre would be the same gun with a 223 adapter with a full length rifled barrel and 22 lr adapter for that.

[leftiye]

Yay Brett! I always knew you understood bizarre! :kidding::kidding:

[Old Ironsights]

I guess here's my bit of psychosis...

Let's say I want to build "The most versitile/handy Medium/Large combo gun in the Universe"

Having Owned/used a 16x16x9.3-72R I can see hust how useful/handy such a 24" Drilling can be... BUT it lacks certain versility on the low end.

I'm trying to envision a 16x16x.358 caliber somthing that will work up to Elk sized game. .357 is really not quite there, not even in Max.

Yet having the ability to throw .38/.357 into it in a pinch would be super useful.

So, in .358 bore OEM calibers we have: 35Rem, 356 Win, 358 Win, 358 Rem Mag, and .358 Norma

It looks like .356 & the .358s might actually be better platforms for a cartridge sleeve than the .35 rem, and have moore poop at the top end.

Accuracy with the .357 would only need to be minute of Hog/deer at 100yds.

Which .358 cartridge would 'yall suggest from a "lots of brass, good thump, good CB cartridge" angle?

I'm starting to lean toward the .358 Win since, if I understand correctly, it's just a blown-out .308/7.62 NATO...

[Old Ironsights]

That's not super bizarre. It should work fine.

Super bizarre would be the same gun with a 223 adapter with a full length rifled barrel and 22 lr adapter for that.

Actually, I think Kreighoff makes those.... or somthing similar anyway...

[leftiye]

Which .358 cartridge would 'yall suggest from a "lots of brass, good thump, good CB cartridge" angle? Brett.

I'm a lovin' the .35 Whelen.

[waksupi]

Which .358 cartridge would 'yall suggest from a "lots of brass, good thump, good CB cartridge" angle? Brett.

I'm a lovin' the .35 Whelen.


.358 Winchester is your answer. Shuz and Pilgrim both shoot the .35 Whelen, and I am getting virtually the same velocity, with the same boolit weight, in the smaller case.
The .308 brass is rather easy to find, and can very easily be made into .358W in one pass.

[Pepe Ray]

.358W is the correct answer.
Another point for versatility to consider.
In a break action/S-S type it is easy to include a rim recess to accept the .356W case. It will not affect the use of the .358's as headspace is easily acquired. Will provide another source of brass. Also, for those with concerns of foreshortening the cases by using sub loads or low pressure loads, the rim makes this a practical addition.
BTDT, swapped the "T" shirt.
Pepe Ray

[Old Ironsights]

Cool... I'm great on Ideas, but not too hip on machining or whether or not it is feasable.

[oldhickory]

Some years ago I had a Martini Henry .450/577 and a s/s cartridge adapter for .45 Colt. I would load 40gr. of 3F into the Colt cartridge and top it off with a 520gr. boolit. The .45 Colt cartridge looked a little strange, but it shot better than the .450/577 ammo did at short range. Ejection of the spent Colt cartridge was simple, just place the rifle on it's butt and poke the empty out with the attached cleaning rod and reload.

[Bret4207]

35 Whelen or 358 Win- what a choice. In a SS it's a toss up. You can get just a bit more with the Whelen but the 358 is so close it's probably not an issue with cast. Most of the fine points will be in barrel twist and chambering specifics.

[leftiye]

How about the 8X57case made out of 06 brasswith a long neck? Just for purposes of suggestion. (or just long throat the .358?) Unless you use a short action, you'll have an 06 length magazine anyways - so....