RCE .224 jacket maker die arrived.

[Adam10mm]

Now I have to save up for the Walnut Hill press.

Looks fairly easy to work with. The threaded die goes in the top of the press and the punch screws into the ram. Case is lubed then placed on the punch and firmly but slowly raised through the die. The rod laying down is to push out a broken jacket. Six jackets were included as examples. Three brass colored ones are .22LR and the longer nickel ones I think are .22WMR. The short ones are .715" long and the others are .810" long. The instructions state the .22LR cases will draw out to .700" or so and will make about a 50gr OT bullet or 55gr SP.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/freakshow10mm/Bullet%20Swaging/P5020164.jpg

I haven't figured out what the one on the left is for yet. The directions aren't clear and their are no pictures or diagrams. It seems to be the core seating punch but the attachment method to the press baffles me.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/freakshow10mm/Bullet%20Swaging/P5020165.jpg

This end is internally threaded.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/freakshow10mm/Bullet%20Swaging/P5020166.jpg

[Brasshound]

So, what is the average cost for this stuff.

Just got here, and been wondering how to get started.

[Adam10mm]

$75 shipped. The swaging dies will run little less than $500. The Walnut Hill press will run $350.

[rbt50]

if you are going to buy a walnut hill press you should order it now,it could be 6 months or more before you see it

[Adam10mm]

Dammit.

[Jim_Fleming]

As I understand you, this is a jacket making kit correct? A kit to make jackets from .22 RF cases...

If this assumption on my part is correct the punch on the left is what will go up inside of the empty cases and be attached to ram of your press. Than you'd ease the empty case up into the drawing die to iron off the rim of the case. What I can't figure is how it attaches to the ram of the press. You mention a Walnut Hill Press. I've been out of the Reloading Game for a long time, but I'm assuming that the internal threads would have to used in a fashion to attach to the press.

What I don't see is the jacket removal system, from the punch, once you get the priming rim ironed off.

I'd suggest contacting the die makers and ask them...

Good Luck,

Jim




I haven't figured out what the one on the left is for yet. The directions aren't clear and their are no pictures or diagrams. It seems to be the core seating punch but the attachment method to the press baffles me.

[Lead pot]

You have everything you need with this die set, but it's a set for the RCE WH Swage press.
The punch is for the top punch holder.

[Lead pot]

Here are instructions for the other Corbin's dies. The principle is the same.

http://www.corbins.com/rfjm.htm

[Adam10mm]

As I understand you, this is a jacket making kit correct? A kit to make jackets from .22 RF cases...
Yes, it's the jacket making die to make .224 jackets with .22 rimfire cases.


If this assumption on my part is correct the punch on the left is what will go up inside of the empty cases and be attached to ram of your press. Than you'd ease the empty case up into the drawing die to iron off the rim of the case.
No. The large, dark piece threads onto the ram and the punch that is already in that is the punch that is used to push the casing into the die.


What I don't see is the jacket removal system, from the punch, once you get the priming rim ironed off.
It's a pass through die. You put the casing on the punch, raise it in the die, lower the ram, put another case on the punch, raise it up and repeat. Jackets are pushed up from underneath and exit the top of the die. No jacket removal system is needed.

[shooterg]

.22 derimming dies are also available that work in a regular press - I use a set of Blackmon dies , but use 'em in the Corbin press with the reloading adapter mostly 'cause it's so much better leverage wise - but I've used 'em in several single stage reloading presses and had no trouble either

[DLCTEX]

.22 derimming dies are also available that work in a regular press - I use a set of Blackmon dies , but use 'em in the Corbin press with the reloading adapter mostly 'cause it's so much better leverage wise - but I've used 'em in several single stage reloading presses and had no trouble either
Are Blackmon dies still available? I googled it but no results.

[Jim_Fleming]

Freakshow, that clears things up quite a bit, thank you... I didn't realize the setup was intended for pass thru...

Jim

[madcaster]

I have some stuff like that,would take only about $100.00 to get both pieces!

[shooterg]

Larry Blackmon(Bullet Swaging Supply, Inc.) has no website - call him at 318-387-7257 or write BSSI, 303 McMillan Road, West Monroe, LA 71291

[ETG]

Are Blackmon dies still available? I googled it but no results.

I just got my derimming die from Larry (works great). Waiting on the rest of the dies. He has been rearranging his shop and is running behind.

[JohnM]

Larry Blackmon(Bullet Swaging Supply, Inc.) has no website - call him at 318-387-7257 or write BSSI, 303 McMillan Road, West Monroe, LA 71291

Or

Bullet Swaging Supply, Inc.
PO Box 1056
West Monroe, LA 71291

[MIBULLETS]

ETG,

Just curious, how long have you been waiting for your dies? I know the Corbin's are backed up too, so I was wondering how far behind Dr. Blackmon is.

Thanks,
Dan

[MIBULLETS]

ETG,

Just curious, how long have you been waiting for your dies? I know the Corbin's are backed up too, so I was wondering how far behind Dr. Blackmon is.

Thanks,
Dan

[wonderwolf]

That thing on the left is a core seat die for the 3 die set.

I just got my WH press up and running today with the dies from Richard. If you have any other Q's let me know....I'm learning as I go. I got a jacket maker as well.

[ETG]

I have only been waiting maybe two months. He has everything except one punch and a core swage die. I ask him to go on and send me the derimming die so I could make the jackets while waiting on the other dies and press. Derimming die arrived in about a week.

[wonderwolf]

I made about 1k jackets tonight with my fairly new jacket making dies. Curious about the long term effect of the primer compound on the stem, as well as running unlubed cases through the die. I lubed about every other case and they seemed to all go through ok. rigged up a lee bullet hopper and that really sped up the process not having to pluck two finished cases every other stroke. Since the other form dies take care of the final jacket dimensions I'm wondering just how many usable cases Corbins jacket maker will make.

:confused:

[Jim_Fleming]

WW...

I replaced my "stem" as you call it, aka the punch that goes inside of the empty .22 RF cases, with one made of solid tungsten carbide. As you seem to have noticed the priming compound residue is QUITE abrasive. I.E. it's like running that punch into sand. I'm fairly certain you'll see some wear fairly soon.

I was lucky, and was able to make my punch, years ago, from solid carbide. You may well have to find a local source to replace that punch from time to time.

Keep lubing the cases, the die needs it. Also as a reminder, keep your empties as clean and free of grit as you .possibly. can. It'll save having to replace the drawing die that irons off the rims, as often. I've also been known to tumble the cases clean after annealing and before running thru the drawing die. In this situation, clean is _very_ good.

Jim



Curious about the long term effect of the primer compound on the stem, as well as running unlubed cases through the die. I lubed about every other case and they seemed to all go through ok.

[shooterg]

I've noticed that the Remington cases clean up inside better with the Dawn and boiling water than the Federal and Winchester cases. Less/different priming compound ? I do wipe any residue off every few strokes. My "hopper" is a yogurt cup with appropriate hole punched in it ! Holds about 350 derimmed cases, about all I do at a time anyway.

[nicholst55]

Has anyone considered having their dies and punches TiN coated by CH-4D? The cost is reasonable, and they should last significantly longer. Alternately, hard chrome might be worth considering.

[Jim_Fleming]

A hard coat on at least the internal punch sounds good, anything to resist the abrasion. I realize that my carbide punch would be seriously expensive for the ordinary jobber. I was lucky I was able to grind my own.

Jim

[MIBULLETS]

I have worn out 2 punches since I got my set 5 years ago. Corbin sells just the punch that screws into the base for $6. I just bought a bunch of them to get me though.

I didn't think about getting it coated by CH though, that just might help. How thick is the coating they put on?

[nicholst55]

I have worn out 2 punches since I got my set 5 years ago. Corbin sells just the punch that screws into the base for $6. I just bought a bunch of them to get me though.

I didn't think about getting it coated by CH though, that just might help. How thick is the coating they put on?

"Titanium Nitride coatings have been used in industry for many years, primarily to extend the life of carbide tools. It has not been useful in reloading until recent advances in technology permitted TiN coating a die without softening the steel of the die itself. A TiN coated sizer in 308 Win showed no measurable wear after sizing 50,000 rounds. Although Titanium Nitride is harder than Carbide & has a lower coefficient of friction it does not eliminate the need for lubricant when full-length sizing cases. It does reduce sizing effort considerably and minimize the lubricant required.

* TiN coated dies will live longer and require less force to operate than any die available on planet Earth ! Price is for 7/8-14 dies. Call for quote on larger sizes.
* TiN coated expander balls work smoother and eliminate the need for lubricating the inside of the case neck. Available in 17 to 45cal.
* If you ever manage to wear out your TiN coated die, we will replace it at NO CHARGE to you ! All we ask is that you tell us how many rounds you?ve loaded with it.

TiN coating other manufacturer's dies; can be done, and is usually successful, however we have no control over the material or heat treatment of these dies and cannot guarantee the results. Any coating of any part nit mfg. by us is done entirely at the customer's risk."

I reckon you'd have to contact them and ask about that.

http://www.ch4d.com/

[ETG]

ETG,

Just curious, how long have you been waiting for your dies? I know the Corbin's are backed up too, so I was wondering how far behind Dr. Blackmon is.

Thanks,
Dan

My 223 swaging dies and press came today :-D Wait was about 2 to 2 1/2 months.

[wonderwolf]

WW...

I replaced my "stem" as you call it, aka the punch that goes inside of the empty .22 RF cases, with one made of solid tungsten carbide. As you seem to have noticed the priming compound residue is QUITE abrasive. I.E. it's like running that punch into sand. I'm fairly certain you'll see some wear fairly soon.

I was lucky, and was able to make my punch, years ago, from solid carbide. You may well have to find a local source to replace that punch from time to time.

Keep lubing the cases, the die needs it. Also as a reminder, keep your empties as clean and free of grit as you .possibly. can. It'll save having to replace the drawing die that irons off the rims, as often. I've also been known to tumble the cases clean after annealing and before running thru the drawing die. In this situation, clean is _very_ good.

Jim

Looking at the stem its a really really REALLY simple lathe project. I can turn a few extras out in a day. (I only have 1" drill rod on had LOL)

[Adam10mm]

I have to save up money for the press and dies. For now I will have to get by with my Rockchucker and CH4D dies for 10mm.