Salut: Russian Shotshell Powder@Pat's

[alamogunr]

Pat's web site says that they tested it in .45 ACP w/230 gr FMJ. Has anyone used this in .45 ACP with lighter bullets such as the 200 gr H&G 68 clone in the recent GB? I wouldn't mind laying in a supply if it was OK with these boolets. Not looking for absolute accuracy but would like it to be relatively clean. I'm not a competitive shooter, just a plinker for practice. Also does anyone know where this falls on a speed chart?

John
W.TN

[alamogunr]

I wanted to ask one more question but forgot before I posted the above. Given a choice between WC-820 and WC297, which would be better for below max loads in large cal. pistol? I'm not talking reduced loads, just not maximum. Example would be .454 Casul with 300-325 gr boolets @ 1000 fps. Or are these powders not recommenced for such loads?
John
W.TN

[sargenv]

I think that WC820 and 297 are comparable to Win 296 in that they only work really well with the case full of powder. If you want to tame a magnum, I would suggest you use a powder more suited to the task.. something faster and that you need not use much of. I'd use Trail boss for lead boolits or something like Unique, Titegroup, or other non sensitive to large case volume powder. I like Trail Boss since it is very "fluffy" and is difficult to double charge. The other powders are denser and can get lost in the larger cases.

[wiljen]

the Russian unique might be good for both of your needs. It should do fine as a mid-range load in magnum pistol cases and as a full load for 45/200gr.

[TCLouis]

alamogunr

Think of current WC820 as AA#9 load data and from what Pat posts 297 is SLOW Win 296.

Neither of which is a much of a recommendation for reducing loads with them.

I have had issues lighting the current 820 (AA # 9 speed) in the 357 and 44 with standard primers, but use it in rifle cases with NO problems. I know it does NOT make sense, but the only thing I can figure is that it has lots of surface area in the rifle cases to get it lit.

The OLD lot that was H110 speed in tests and lit fine with standard Winchester SP and LP prmerss

[alamogunr]

the Russian unique might be good for both of your needs. It should do fine as a mid-range load in magnum pistol cases and as a full load for 45/200gr.

Is this Salut the same thing you all (y'all) have been referring to as Russion unique? If so I might go for a couple of boxes. I thought I had seen it on Pat's web site actually referred to as "Russian Unique". That is why I asked the question. Wouldn't be the first time I got confused.

John
W.TN

[bigdog454]

I've used Sault gr for gr as Unique without any problems. START LOW as always. In real low (like below min loads) it's kind of dirty. but with full power loads it seems ok.
I've used it in 45 Colt, 454 Casull, 38 special, 20ga shotgun, 380 acp.

[Lloyd Smale]

820 is equivelent to aa9 not 296. 297 is very simular to 296. Maybe a tad slower but hardly noticeable. 820 can be used to take mag handguns down to the 1100 fps range if a good stout primer is used. I use only cci 350s with either of these powders anymore. I just got to many weird readings over the chronograph with any milder of a primer. this shows even more when you down load it. Like was said above both of these powders show better performace ran at higher pressures. If your looking for a more versitile powder that will take care of top end loads and down loads look at 2400.

[Tristan]

What is the grain type of the russian Salut? Is it a disk, flake, spherical...?

Thanks,

Tristan

[bigdog454]

Big spheres, like a large ball powder. It meters OK in my measures.

[Lloyd Smale]

i was under the impression that it had a burning rate simular to unique. If so its to slow for most 45acp work. I cant see using it anyway as even as cheap as it is you have to use at least twice as much to get the same velocity as you can with bullseye. Now if you were using it in the 44s or 45 colt it would be worth while economicaly.

[mdi]

I receintly got some WC820 from Pat's. Right on the lable was info stating WC820 is 10% hotter than H110. So I use H110 load data, min. to max., reduced by 10% and everything seems fine. Min. load of WC820, just under 20.0 gr., shoots great in my Super Blackhawk.

[Mr. Casull]

I've used Sault gr for gr as Unique without any problems. START LOW as always. In real low (like below min loads) it's kind of dirty. but with full power loads it seems ok.
I've used it in 45 Colt, 454 Casull, 38 special, 20ga shotgun, 380 acp.

I am interested in using the Russian Unique in loading 20 and 12 gauge. Any suggestions as to load data?