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jeff223
02-11-2006, 12:53 PM
lets go for it.6 holer for $56.00 shipped

i will HONCHO this group buy too.make sure when you send payment you say you want the Ranch Dog 44cal mold.picture below

send payments to:

Jeff Bowne
1183 Haynor Rd
Ionia Michigan 48846

http://home.awesomenet.net/~ranch-dog/Casting/TLC432285RF/TLC432-285-RF%20Drawing_450x307.jpg

if someone could pin this up near the other 44group buy that would be nice

thanks
jeff

308
02-11-2006, 09:43 PM
I'm in, check will leave here Monday. :lovebooli

Buckshot
02-12-2006, 05:41 AM
This thread will remain a sticky for ordering purposes until the group buy is closed out and on it's way to Lee.

***Edited to eliminate earlier fuzzy unclear meaning :-) ***

.................Buckshot

Newtire
02-12-2006, 12:15 PM
This thread is stuck until the group buy is closed out and on it's way to Lee.

.................Buckshot
Sorry Buckshot, Does this mean that this thread is "stuck & not going anywhere" or...can we put in orders? These group buys will be the end of my kid's education fund.

Blacktail 8541
02-12-2006, 12:39 PM
I think Buckshot means that this thread is now a sticky untill the mold order is complete.

moodyholler
02-12-2006, 12:46 PM
Weight? Thanks, moodyholler

Plainsman
02-12-2006, 04:02 PM
Out of curiosity, why such interest in 6 cavity molds? I wouldn't mind a double cavity myself. Is there any cost difference?

BTW, I'd like to get in on BOTH molds. Please keep us informed on how close you are getting to ordering as I'd like to send a separate check for each as I save the dough rather than digging into the savings account! :)

Thanks!

jeff223
02-12-2006, 04:53 PM
on the other group buy there are 10 guys wanting in and this one is new and i will update as needed

i hear the 6 holer molds from Lee are they way to go.i dont know this to be fact but that is what i have read about Lee molds.they say they are a better quality mold.i like the the 6 holer because you can cast a bunch of boolits fast.


im running this Ranch Dog group buy just for fun and im hoping i can get a good boolit for my Contender.im sure i will have a couple of good bullets to choose from.the Ranch Dog bullet is a proven one and i thinkl i will like the tumble lube design.

im new to cast boolits and im thinking if i have a couple of differant boolits to choose from im bound to come up with a winner


MAKE SURE YOU STATE RANCH DOG MOLD DEAL

thank,
jeff

Junior1942
02-12-2006, 05:37 PM
Jeff, watch for a $56 check from Zip 71479.

NOTE: if the group decides to increase the diameter past .432" either return or destroy my check.

Buckshot
02-13-2006, 05:06 AM
Out of curiosity, why such interest in 6 cavity molds? I wouldn't mind a double cavity myself. Is there any cost difference?
Thanks!

Plainsman, go to the sticky "This is a Lee 6 Cavity". It has pictures of one. The 6 cavity is MUCH more robust, and has no steel on aluminum wear surfaces except one, which is easily corrected. With the same care and attention given a Lee 1 or 2 cavity, the 6 holer will still be going strong when the other has long since gone to the big scrap yard in the sky.

The 6 cavity DOES cost more. However, your benefit besides the above are 3 times the output for the same number of movements.

One other thing. Running a Lee cavity (especially for slugs this size) will put you in the market for a 20# furnace right quick.

..................Buckshot

David R
02-13-2006, 07:12 AM
Weight? Thanks, moodyholler

Ditto

jeff223
02-13-2006, 01:35 PM
Junior,
this mold will be at .432 as written in the picture.if a bigger bullet is needed they can pickup a mold from my other group buy.i will keep my eyes open for you check

thanks,
jeff

David R
02-13-2006, 04:50 PM
Ditto

Hello? How much is this boolit expected to weigh?

Sorry, but it has been asked twice.

Don't take me too seriously.
David

Dr. A
02-13-2006, 07:36 PM
Supposed to be 265gr. In reality (in my 2 bullet mold), they were closer to 285 with plain wheel weights.

ironduke2
02-14-2006, 12:56 AM
Jeff. I am in on this one also. I will get a check out for the Ranch Dog/ Already sent a check for the Fat .44. Zip 17241. Thanks. Bob. :castmine:

308
02-14-2006, 04:59 PM
Oops, check didn't make it out yesterday like I said, but is on it's way now. Zipper is 30114.

David R
02-14-2006, 08:46 PM
Thank you

David

jeff223
02-15-2006, 03:14 PM
one payment on this one so far.i will update with the zip code some time soon

how long will it take to get 25 orders on this one?that is a good question?

anyone want to guess

here is the zip codes so far from people taht paid

43445
30114
71479
59923

sanlen
02-24-2006, 07:51 AM
Well, I just got the link for this. Looks good to me. My check will be make it's way by snail mail in the next day or so.

I've been doing heavier ones, but the gas checked 285 gr wt sounds good.

Ranch Dog
02-24-2006, 09:30 AM
Supposed to be 265gr. In reality (in my 2 bullet mold), they were closer to 285 with plain wheel weights.

Hello guys... RD. Let me clear up the weight thing. With the Lee alloy standard of 1 part tin and 10 parts lead it will weigh 285-grains with a gas check and lube. I hunt with it using a 1 to 1 alloy mix of WW and Linotype and it weighs in at 265-grains. This has been a great hunting bullet from my 336-44 (44 Mag), 444P, and 444T and a Winchester Trapper in 44 Mag. I've used BL-C(2), H322, H335, H4198 and H4895 all with great success. My personal choice has been H4198. I have pushed the bullet out of the 24" barrel of my 444T at 2400 FPS but my hunting load is 47.0-grains of H4198 at 2305 FPS. On my RSI Pressure Trace equipment, this load had consistantly recorded a pressure trace of 41.0 PSI. With that load you do need to have a hard bullet and my water cooled alloy mix produces 18 to 20 BHN. All my rifles are fire lapped.

I've been busy shooting all weights of bullets out of the 444 up to and including some that weigh 405 and 410-grains. MHO is that for hunting hoofed game you just can't beat the PBR provided by the 265 to 285-grain bullet. Everyone seems to focus on HEAVY bullets but a 265-grain bullet out of the 444 at 225-yards is still going to knock a large mule deer right off it's feet! I've got a couple of bullets in the works at Lee and I thought about making this one heavier but decided it is just about as perfect of a killer as you could hope for. In the last two years, I have taken several dozen big game animals with this bullet from 15-yards to 225-yards.

Here is some pictures, not to hijack this thread, but to get you pumped up. Checkout this link also... Ranch Dog's TLC432-285-RF (http://home.awesomenet.net/~ranch-dog/Casting/).

http://home.awesomenet.net/~ranch-dog/Casting/TLC432285RF/TLC-432-285-RF_B_250x180.jpg
The TLC432-285-RF vs. the Hornady 265-grain Bullet

http://home.awesomenet.net/~ranch-dog/Casting/TLC432285RF/Nilgai_Kill_450x338.jpg
The TLC432-285-RF vs. Nilgai

http://home.awesomenet.net/~ranch-dog/Casting/TLC432285RF/TLC432 vs Nilgai.jpg
The TLC432-285-RF removed from Nilgai's hide after exiting both shoulders

http://home.awesomenet.net/~ranch-dog/Casting/TLC432285RF/PTTLC432H41982B.jpg
The TLC432-285-RF and 47.0-grains of H4198 Pressure Trace Example

Good luck fellows and good hunting!

tom barthel
02-24-2006, 10:47 AM
This isn't an order. It's just a testamony. I have a two hole Ranch dog lee mold. I AM VERY PLEASED WITH IT.

carpetman
02-24-2006, 11:20 AM
tom barthel---Starmetal could make that 2 holer mold into a 1 holer.

Ranch Dog
02-24-2006, 12:59 PM
Jeff...

I went ahead and sent you a check from 77954 today. I've got the several two cavity molds but I might as well get a 6-cavity.

A couple other considerations concerning the TLC432-285-RF:
You might consider calling Lee and order a Lube and Sizing Kit for .432" if you have no other method of installing the gas checks. There is no benefit to a group buy on these kits. They are $29 shipped and you can order them over the phone. Lee Custom Lube & Size Kit (http://www.leeprecision.com/cgi/catalog/browse.cgi?1140798374.2669=/html/catalog/custom.html#CUSTOMLUBESIZE) The bullet's crimp groove is positioned to provide a 2.5" OAL for the 444 Marlin and a 1.56" OAL for the 44 Mag. These lengths provide for dependable cycling under hunting conditions and for all the rifles I have tested them in... both Marlin's and Winchesters. The bullet's length has been kept at .735" so that it will be stabilized with the early Marlin's rate of twist of 1:38. My 1972 444T shoots the bullet just as fine as my Ballard barreled 444P. A complete gyro stabilization analysis was considered to ensure that this bullet will perform at 444 Marlin velocities from the muzzle and beyond 300-yards. My pressure trace equipment is back at RSI getting update but when it gets back I will work on a "MAX Load" list for all the appropriate Hodgdon powders and post it on my web pages. That will give you a place and limit for your work with this bullet.

http://home.awesomenet.net/~ranch-dog/Casting/TLC432285RF/CattoGage2004.jpg

I shot this Texas desert mule deer at 140-yards through both lungs with the bullet and it went down like a hammer. It had been battling another buck over some does as the rut was in full swing. As soon as it hit the ground, the two does and the other buck jumped right over the top of it as they took off. I knew that wouldn't be good as these deer are tough once they are rutted up. In a split second my deer was back up, blowing blood out both the entry and exit wounds but hot on the trail of the other buck. At 165-yards, I shot the deer again at an extreme quartering away angle. The bullet entered just to the left and below the spine at the base of the tail. It traveled the length of the spine smashing it until it hit the first rib bone. From there it angled down and out the deers opposite front shoulder. The deer was running with it's head down because it was dying before the second bullet hit it and as this second bullet exited the front shoulder it punched a neat 43 caliber hole through it's right ear and must have just missed the antler base. I heard bullet smack the canyon wall about 300-yards distance! Of course the second this bullet hit the deer it dropped in it's tracks... dead.

I've got a couple more designs coming from Lee but more on these later once I've run them through their paces including pressure trace work and seeing how they perform on feral hogs.

TLC311-160-RF (30-30 Win, 30-30 AI, & 300 Sav)
TLC359-180-RF (35 Rem & 356 Win)
TLC379-210-RF (38-55 Win & 375 Win)
TLC460-425-RF (45-70 & 450 Marlin)

Enjoy!

308
02-24-2006, 03:19 PM
I've got a couple more designs coming from Lee but more on these later once I've run them through their paces including pressure trace work and seeing how they perform on feral hogs.

TLC311-160-RF (30-30 Win, 30-30 AI, & 300 Sav)
TLC359-180-RF (35 Rem & 356 Win)
TLC379-210-RF (38-55 Win & 375 Win)
TLC460-425-RF (45-70 & 450 Marlin)

Enjoy!

Moulds and surplus powders are gonna run me broke. :roll: I like the sound of all four of the above.
:lovebooli

jeff223
02-25-2006, 03:39 PM
here is an updated zip code list and i want to thankyou very much for adding to this Ranch Dog.i cant wait to get my hands on this mold so i can shoot some of those bullets from my 445 supermag Contender.this size of that bullet will work just right for my bore.add more if you would like .it would be nice of you to talk the bullet up at Marlinowners.com forums
48846
43445
30114
71479
59923
17241
77945
49754
20837

jeff223
02-28-2006, 01:43 PM
lets get on this deal.we need a few more orders

cast-n-blast
02-28-2006, 04:22 PM
Hey Jeff! Sending check tomorrow from zip code 20837. Can't wait.

Ranch Dog
02-28-2006, 06:18 PM
Come on fellows, let get this going so we can have it in a timely manner to do the load work for THIS hunting season. Lee will take a couple of months even though they have done it once...

I was cleaning up my loading room today and thought you might like to see the loaded round for both the 444 Marlin and 44 Mag.

http://home.awesomenet.net/~ranch-dog/Casting/TLC432285RF/Images/View01.jpg

Again, the Hornady 265-grain FP bullet is included for a scale reference. There are also three recovered bullets; one from the nilgai and two from large feral hogs.

LET-CA
03-02-2006, 06:21 PM
I'll put a check in the mail today from 95825.

jeff223
03-03-2006, 05:33 PM
thanks i will keep an eye open for the payment for the mold


we now have eight payments on this one and i know of three more thats on their way.we are getting closer

jeff223
03-07-2006, 01:33 PM
this is the updated list of mold buyers so far

48846
43445
30114
71479
59923
17241
77945
49738
20837
98337- 2 molds
73034
35803
67401

CENTEX BILL
03-07-2006, 11:07 PM
Jeff:

Count me in. Check comming your way. zip 78132.

Thanks,

Bill

C A Plater
03-08-2006, 08:49 AM
The check is in the mail. No, really! :)

jeff223
03-08-2006, 03:11 PM
i think from the looks of things the Ranch Dog bullet mold is going to pass the Beartooth mold deal and will be sent in first.

any bets on this?

308
03-09-2006, 10:29 AM
I wouldn't bet a quarter either way. [smilie=l:

jeff223
03-09-2006, 01:31 PM
i could really use that 25 cents too Lamarhttp://castboolits.gunloads.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

steveb
03-10-2006, 03:30 AM
I wonder how well this bullet would do in my Rossi 92. Im not sure of the rate of twist, ANYONE??? Do you take money orders?? I couldnt get it out till Monday. Also does it come with handles or just the mould??...Thanks in advance

steveb
03-10-2006, 03:31 AM
It looks as mean as all get out.

jeff223
03-10-2006, 03:12 PM
check or money order will work


everyone should talk these mold deals up on the other forums they visit.i am trying be i dont hit all of them.i would welcome any help from the rest of you guys

thanks,
jeff

Ranch Dog
03-10-2006, 07:04 PM
In about 10 days I will be at a point where I can cast some of these up and start cycling them through different powders with my Pressure Trace equipment. I will document my progress and get a web page up to look at. It will give the fellows some max load info to work down from.

no34570
03-11-2006, 04:13 AM
Hi Guy's
Just reading the posts and I am interested in the Ranchdog bullet
I'd like to get one,but one problem!
I live in Australia,is that a problem(Come on no jokes there)
I'd have to get a International money order ??? How much for freight?
I've been talking too Ranchdog on Shooters Forum about the Marlin I'm buying,yeah I have not got it yet,a brand new 444 Marlin 22 inch(With the Ballard Rifling)I can't wait to get me rifle,just hope the mould will fit the bore?
Or do you think I should wait until I get my rifle and slug the bore???
Any help would be appreciated
Dale(no34570) :castmine:

Do you think the fat 44 cal bullet group buy is for me as well?

steveb
03-11-2006, 12:28 PM
Picking up money order today and will be mailed out Monday from zip 47270!!!

cast-n-blast
03-11-2006, 12:36 PM
Hey #3, the $56.00 U.S. funds covers everything ! This mold size of .432 " will be perfect for the Marlin. The triple 4 has become a favorite big bore levergun for me. It is inherently accurate, and easy to load for. Currently I shoot a LBT 330 gr LFN at about 2200 fps, and am getting between 1-1.5 " for three shots at 100 yds. So send that check, so we can get our molds. You won't be sorry. Hope this helps some, mate................ Jeff

David R
03-11-2006, 12:59 PM
#3, better ask the honcho about shipping, I bet it will be more. When I sent molds to canada, it was more.

David

no34570
03-11-2006, 06:38 PM
Hey #3, the $56.00 U.S. funds covers everything ! This mold size of .432 " will be perfect for the Marlin. The triple 4 has become a favorite big bore levergun for me. It is inherently accurate, and easy to load for. Currently I shoot a LBT 330 gr LFN at about 2200 fps, and am getting between 1-1.5 " for three shots at 100 yds. So send that check, so we can get our molds. You won't be sorry. Hope this helps some, mate................ Jeff

cast-n-blast
I don't need asking twice,but I'll ask the head honcho about extra shipping just to be on the safe side.
Thanks mate
No34570 :)

no34570
03-11-2006, 06:40 PM
#3, better ask the honcho about shipping, I bet it will be more. When I sent molds to canada, it was more.

David
David
I'll ask about extra shipping like you suggested,I reckon it will be a bit more.
Thanks for the heads up
Dale (No34570) :castmine:

Ranch Dog
03-11-2006, 10:53 PM
no34570...

PM or email me your shipping address so that I can figure out what it takes to send you the mold. Six cavity molds are shipped without handles and you would be best served with a Lee Lube and Size kit special ordered in .432" to help seat the gas checks. Let me know if you will need these as I'm sure Lee DOESN'T do overseas. I'm sure we can get it figured out to get you what you need. It would be kind of cool having this bullet doing it's work down under!

Got another fellow in Sweden interested, I think he said he has taken 40 moose with his 444! Time to get this bullet out of his gun too!

steveb
03-11-2006, 11:06 PM
I got the money order today and its sealed in the envelope. Will be going out first thing Moday mornin from 47270

jeff223
03-12-2006, 05:35 PM
im going to the post office tomorrow with a Lee 6 holer mold and im going to have it weighed in a box for shipping out of the country so you in Sweden and the fellow down under can have a mold.i will post the shipping cost to Sweden and Australia on Monday or Tuesday

hope this helps you guys out some

this deakl might be over before we know it.its going to pass the Beartooth mold deal i think.

cast-n-blast
03-12-2006, 08:43 PM
#3, sorry for any confusion on shipping charges. The ole brain misfired, and thou it registered your being from down under, it didn't pick up on the possibility of extra shipping charges. Guess my enthusiasm for the mold overpowered my common sense. This will be a dandy mold !

Jeff223, sorry if I overstepped my boundaries. Didn't mean to intentionally. The enthusiasm just triggered a brain malfunction on my part. Thanks, Jeff

Nrut
03-12-2006, 11:57 PM
Jeff I'll be sending a Postal MOD on Fri. the 17th from V0J3A0......mic

Ranch Dog
03-13-2006, 06:21 AM
Just a reminder guys...

When this group buy closes, might be soon, you might want to contact Lee to special order a Lube and Size Kit in .432". This will be the easiest way to insert your gas checks. Some of you might have the tools to turn the cataloged .430" kit out but I didn't mess with it as I needed a die in that diameter also for a friends pistol that I reload. The L&S Kits come pretty quick but it will still take a few weeks.

When you call Lee for the L&S Kit, please ask them to catalog the L&S Kit in this diameter and also catalog the TLC432-285-RF. It would be nice if they started cataloging TLC rifle molds designed for cartridges that can put them to real world use (leverguns). They will take phone orders with a credit card for the Lube and Size Kit... 262-673-3075.

You will also need gas checks and Boses have about the best prices I've found on them. I just bought the last box MidwayUSA had in stock, sorry, but I was buying other items. Boses' checks are $23 vs. MidwayUSA's $29! (http://www.bosesguns.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=hor7130&CartID=1) That starts paying the difference in the L&S Kit!

Bodydoc447
03-14-2006, 07:47 AM
A check is in the mail. Thanks for being the Honcho, Jeff.



Doc

gitano
03-14-2006, 11:29 AM
I'm in too. ChecK in mail from 99687.

Paul

jeff223
03-14-2006, 01:15 PM
i remember from my last group buy the shipping was a little more for the molds i sent to Canada.you guys from Canada just send a total of $60.00 and should cover it

also have checked with the USPS about shipping to Sweden and Australia and have a price for shipping the mold and a set of handles there.i figured i would order handles from Lee and sent that along too.here is the break down to Sweden and to Australia

$50.00 for the mold
$18.00 for the handles from lee
$14.00 air to Sweden (5-7 day shipping time)
$82.00 total for mold and handles

************************************************** ******

$50.00 for the mold
$18.00 for the handles
$15.70 air to Austraila (5-7 day shipping time)
$83.70 total for mold and handles

i dont want to deal with getting handles for everyone but i will for these two guys out of the country.everyone else can get the with no problems from Midway Shooters Supplies

thanks everyone,
jeff

ps,
here is an updated zip code list
this is the updated list of mold buyers so far

48846
43445
30114
71479
59923
17241
77945
49738
20837
98337- 2 molds
73034
35803
67401
83843
47270
37179

jcork
03-14-2006, 03:01 PM
When this group buy closes, might be soon, you might want to contact Lee to special order a Lube and Size Kit in .432". This will be the easiest way to insert your gas checks.

Noob question-

Would standard .44 Hornady checks seated in my Lyman 450 .430 dies do the job? Or would the sizing destroy the lube grooves so they wouldn't hold the tumble lube?

Ranch Dog
03-14-2006, 05:23 PM
Noob question-

Would standard .44 Hornady checks seated in my Lyman 450 .430 dies do the job? Or would the sizing destroy the lube grooves so they wouldn't hold the tumble lube?

Anybody have the answer to this question?

Junior1942
03-14-2006, 05:56 PM
Noob question-

Would standard .44 Hornady checks seated in my Lyman 450 .430 dies do the job? Or would the sizing destroy the lube grooves so they wouldn't hold the tumble lube?Yes, the .430 die will do just fine. There'll still be plenty of groove left.

TCLouis
03-14-2006, 10:45 PM
it left downtown BNA today.
Zip will be 37179 though.
Oh heck the check has old address, which same place, but before 911 address system.

jeff223
03-15-2006, 12:13 PM
i just made an edit to the zip code list.we have 16 orders now and we have a bunch on their way.this deal will be done before we know it

cant wait to get this mold.

steveb
03-15-2006, 12:27 PM
My money order from zip 47270 should be getting there it was mailed out Monday!!!

jeff223
03-15-2006, 02:58 PM
i got it today and i will update the list again

thanks,
jeff

steveb
03-15-2006, 03:37 PM
I plan on using the .430 Lee sizing die as well, but since the question was brought up and I have ever so much to learn as I just started casting my own a month or so ago as well. If the Ranch Dog bullet is .432 in dia and you run them through a .430 sizing die wouldnt it size them down to .430?? Would it defeat the purpose of a .432 bullet?? Sorry if the question seems silly, I have a lot to learn so asking such questions doesnt hurt any:-D

Bodydoc447
03-15-2006, 04:16 PM
Steve,

Yep, running a bullet through a .430 sizing die will size it down to .430. The prupose of the .432 boolit is to provide a larger boolit for those who do not want to use a .430 but would benefit from a .432 boolit. I am planning on using a .430 die to see how mine does accuracy wise. I will order a .432 sizing kit from Lee if my results suggest the need for it. For a number of us, the .430 will do just fine, saving us the trouble of getting a .432 made, just enjoying the good boolit design.

Hope that answers the question without too much BS.

Doc

308
03-16-2006, 11:02 AM
I don't recall that it's been mentioned on this thread that Buckshot makes sizing dies, both push thru like the Lee and dies for lube-sizers like the Lyman, RCBS, Saeco, etc. He's making me a push thru die in .379" for my .38-55 for 19 bucks shipped. Next I'll ask him to make me one for this bullet and the Fat .44.

jeff223
03-16-2006, 11:53 AM
Lamar would you ask him about a .432 push through for the Ranch Dog bullet for me?if its like the Lee die and is a good quality die i would buy one too.does his die take that red plastic Lee boolit catcher?is it a die that would screw into a loading press?let me know Lamar

thanks,
jeff

308
03-16-2006, 03:38 PM
Jeff, I sent Buckshot a p/m about your question. I'm confident the quality of his dies are as good as can be had. During my contacts with him he asked if I wanted my die to work with the Lee boolit catcher and I told him I did. Take care, Lamar.....

cast-n-blast
03-16-2006, 05:58 PM
For the do-it-yourselfers, there's a simple solution to the .432" sizing die. The LEE,Lyman, Rcbs sizing dies can be easily polished out with a split steel rod, 320 grit emery paper, and hand drill. Simply cut a 6"-8" length of 3/8" steel rod, and cut a slit on one end with a hack saw about 1 1/2" down thru the center of the rod. Cut your 320 gr. strips into 1 1/2" inch strips about 6- 8" long. Now thread the strip of emery in the slot and wrapp it tightly around the rod, to aprox. the diameter of the sizing die. It should be a snug fit. Now chuck your rod into the hand drill, and polish away. Replace strips when grit is gone. It should only take about 20 minutes to polish to proper size. Measure pushed slugs periodically, to check your progress. You can always remove more metal, it's alot tougher to grow it back. I've used this mehtod sucessfully to polish out numerous sizing dies, and cylinder mouths with perfect results. For Marlin shooters, the .432" is the size for .444 and .44 mag.

steveb
03-17-2006, 01:11 AM
I cant wait to try this bullet out in my Rossi 92!!![smilie=w:

no34570
03-17-2006, 02:37 AM
no34570...

PM or email me your shipping address so that I can figure out what it takes to send you the mold. Six cavity molds are shipped without handles and you would be best served with a Lee Lube and Size kit special ordered in .432" to help seat the gas checks. Let me know if you will need these as I'm sure Lee DOESN'T do overseas. I'm sure we can get it figured out to get you what you need. It would be kind of cool having this bullet doing it's work down under!

Got another fellow in Sweden interested, I think he said he has taken 40 moose with his 444! Time to get this bullet out of his gun too!
Hi Ranchdog
I sent you a PM
I like the tought of the bullet you designed to be working down here too,especially in my rifle.I reckon you are right about seating your gas checks,we will probably will need the Lee L&S kit in .432.
Thanks for all the help,you and jeff223 are giving me and also all the other fellow casters and shooters,thanks a heap mate's
Cheers
no34570
:castmine:

no34570
03-17-2006, 02:45 AM
#3, sorry for any confusion on shipping charges. The ole brain misfired, and thou it registered your being from down under, it didn't pick up on the possibility of extra shipping charges. Guess my enthusiasm for the mold overpowered my common sense. This will be a dandy mold !

Jeff223, sorry if I overstepped my boundaries. Didn't mean to intentionally. The enthusiasm just triggered a brain malfunction on my part. Thanks, Jeff
cast-n-blast
No worries mate!
I knew there would be extra shipping involved,especially way down here:-D
At least we have something to be enthused about,the mould I mean,which is harmless not like other people doing evil things to his fellow man.

Ranch Dog
03-17-2006, 08:54 AM
Okay there is a couple of options for sizing (not real necessary) and gas check seating (very necessary). The least favorable option is using the .430" die from the Lee L&S Kit. All performance bets are off if you reduce the size of the bullet any without your barrel dictating the reduction. For a .430" bullet your barrel would slug .428" through .429". I have no experience with the Rossi rifles so this could be acceptable.

Could somebody post a link to a thread concerning the Buckshot dies? This sounds very interesting. My questions are like those mentioned. Does it fit the "red" Lee bullet catcher and for first time L&S Kit users does it include the "punch" to push the bullets through?

http://www.leeprecision.com/graphics/parts/1338.jpg

And of course... polishing out a .430" die is always an option but please, please just don't size the bullet to .430" without your rifle requiring it.

If you order a L&S Kit for Lee, ask them to please start cataloging the size. From what they told me, this is one of the best methods of determining the demand for a product such as these kits. You might save your brother the cost of a SO Kit somewhere down the road. The same could be said for this mold. If you have any telephone business with Lee, mention cataloging some TLC rifle designs as they are sure needed.

And in passing... my forum namesake, my ranch dog Sheila, passed this week. I've been simply devastated. This Australian Kelpie renewed my interest in the great outdoors and was my living, breathing shadow for 11 years. I've always been a dog guy but I learned early that I was in the presence of a great animal. My life would have ended 8 years ago had it not been for her. A mad cow was stomping me to death and she waded into the ruckus and brought it to an end. I still suffer the affects of that beating but I will always be amazed at the ability of a 50# dog that killed a 800# cow in about 30 seconds. With that ass kicking I received and the life she gave me back, I decided we would spent our remaining years enjoying the great outdoors rather than just working in it. This mold represents that renewed interest. I would appreciate keeping this post directed at our mold but I wanted to share it's namesake with you...

http://home.awesomenet.net/~ranch-dog/Casting/TLC432285RF/44_Trapper_Kill_01B.jpg

God bless you girl and I will be your servant on the other side!

cast-n-blast
03-17-2006, 02:19 PM
Holy cow RD ! What a story ! It explains alot about the man, his dog, and the bullet. One of the most interesting stories I've ever read about. I know you don't want to stear this thread away from your bullet, but I'm sure everyone would love to hear the full story in detail. Perhaps if time permitts, you can fill us in on another thread on this site. Thanks, Jeff

308
03-17-2006, 04:18 PM
Ranch Dog, I'm at a loss for words of condolence at the moment. May God bless you is my prayer.

The push thru dies that Buckshot makes does come with the punch, and he'll turn them to fit the Lee bullet catcher if you request it. Here's a link to a thread about some of his work: http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=5110

Bear4570
03-17-2006, 04:38 PM
Ranch Dog...my deepest condolences to you, I would be devasted also if I lost my best pal, my lab...may your sorrow soon be replaced with only the good memories.

Finn45
03-17-2006, 06:07 PM
My sincerest condolences to You, I'm truly sorry for Your loss.


What comes to top punches for lubrisizer machines like Lyman 45xx and RCBS lubematics... they can't be done manually exactly fitting for the said boolit without exact and precise measuring work with samples of the boolit, but, normal universal flat nose punch style can be used with this kind of flat nose boolit. If lubrisizer dies of special size, universal top punches or punches for epoxy fitting are needed I can honestly recommend Mr. Buckshot's services.

no34570
03-17-2006, 08:22 PM
Ranchdog
Sorry to hear about your K9 companion passing away,I've always said dogs are sometimes better mates than people,they know just how to cheer you up when your down and all they ask in return is a good feed,their head out the window of the truck,slobering all over the window and your companionship as well.
Cheers to Sheila mate
no34570

Nrut
03-17-2006, 10:28 PM
Ranchdog... I haven't had a dog since I was in high school.....the last few days I have been thinking it would be neat to have a dog as a companion in retirement...then just now I read your story....thanks for posting it!.....also my condolences...

..........Jeff I sent that MOD today......mic

StarMetal
03-18-2006, 12:08 AM
Hey Ric,

You can't beat yourself to death over these kind of events. I alway tell people that the word "if" is the biggest little two letter word in the world and you just used it alot. We can't go back and change those "ifs". Just know and rest assured that in your friends eyes, and all of us here, that you are good man. I'm glad I know you here on the forum and someday I hope to meet you. Maybe my Indian joke would bring some laugther into your life.

Your friend
Joe

Ranch Dog
03-18-2006, 01:32 PM
Got home from training late yesterday and this morning it is kind of gloomy out so I decided to make you guys who are sitting on the fence think more about the mold... Started casting some hunting TLC432-285-RF bullets for my 444T. This rifle is an early 444 with the 1:38 twist and a 24" barrel. These bullets were cast with a 1/1, wheel weight/linotype mix I use so they are a lighter bullet. They will weigh in at 265-grains with the gas check and they are a flat shooting killer. My 444T will spit them out at 2400 FPS on a 80F day.

http://home.awesomenet.net/~ranch-dog/Casting/TLC432285RF/TLC432-2/001.jpg
This is my original two-cavity mold. It has had several thousand bullets drop from it and is still going strong. I like heating the alloy to about 750F. It is just starting to give the bullets the hazed over look. I believe in Lee's Modern Reloading II this is recommended for the Liquid Alox... It seems to work for me. Three coats and even at 2400 FPS I have a pretty little wax star on the muzzle of my 444T's barrel.

http://home.awesomenet.net/~ranch-dog/Casting/TLC432285RF/TLC432-2/003.jpg
Boy... aren't these puppies pretty!

http://home.awesomenet.net/~ranch-dog/Casting/TLC432285RF/TLC432-2/002.jpg
At this casting temperature, I use the damp towel in a pan technique that Lee recommends to cool the mold. I actually need to set it there for a few seconds after every drop. You can quickly get to the point where the sizzel tells you when the wait for the cooling period is just right. Doing this every time allows me to cast at the temperature I like and keep the mold where the bullets drop out just as soon as it is opened. If I miss a cooling cycle, I do have to rap the mold handle pivot bolt.

http://home.awesomenet.net/~ranch-dog/Casting/TLC432285RF/TLC432-2/004.jpg
There you go girls! A box overflowing with deer and hog killers! I'll cast the next batch with the 1/10 mix so that I can start the pressure testing with 285-grain bullets...

steveb
03-18-2006, 03:11 PM
Ranch Dog, thanks alot! I just had to wipe all the drool from the keyboard:-D

Cant wait to get my hands on this bullet mold:Fire: :mrgreen:

Ranch Dog
03-18-2006, 03:45 PM
Thank you fellows for your condolences concerning Sheila... I appreciate it.

Bodydoc447
03-18-2006, 05:39 PM
Ranch Dog,
If'n I hadn't already sent my check in last week I'd be sending on in now. Nice looking bullet. Ought to be a good one from my Redhawk. Don't have a .44 rifle, at least not yet.

Let me add my condolences for your loss. My wife and I had a great lab cheasepeake mix who we still mourn after 10 years.

Doc

BTW, Jeff, did my check from 32127 make it yet?

Ranch Dog
03-18-2006, 11:41 PM
Hey guys... just a little more info while you wait. In reading through some of the group buys, there seems to be quite a worry with Lee hitting the specs for the mold drawing. I'm just a simple minded hunter so I didn't worry it to death. I did take some diameter measurements from my casting effort this morning. Again, these are a 1/1 wheel weight/linotype alloy and they where just air cooled on a towel. I took a random "grab" of the boolits and started in with the micrometer on ten of them. They all were a very consistant .434". This offers very little resistance when they slide through the .432" L&S Kit die. They mic .432" out of my die.

If you want to read more about my dog...
Tale of the cow... (http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?p=64338#post64338)

jeff223
03-19-2006, 12:30 PM
here is an updated zip code list of people that want a mold

48846-2 MOLDS
43445
30114
71479
59923
17241
77945
49738
20837
98337- 2 molds
73034
35803
67401
83843
47270
37179
95825
32127
78132
97754

and im waiting for the payment from a guy in Sweden for two molds and the payment from a guy in Austraila for one mold.im going to recheck my my payment list again just to make sure everyone is in and posted here.

!!!THIS DEAL IS GOING TO END ON MARCH 31!!!
!!!IF YOU WANT A MOLD GET IN NOW!!!
I AM SENDING THE ORDER IN TO LEE ON APRIL 1ST
!!!THIS DEAL ENDS ON MARCH 31ST!!!

Ranch Dog
03-19-2006, 05:08 PM
THERE YOU HAVE IT BOYS AND GIRLS! NOW IS THE TIME!

http://home.awesomenet.net/~ranch-dog/Hunting/2004/Images/111004 Bobcat B.jpg

Here is another picture of one of my TLC432-285-RF kills. You might not think of a 444 as a varmint rifle but mine is... shot this cat at 130-yards through the heart/lungs!

Poohgyrr
03-19-2006, 06:42 PM
OK, OK. Thanks to steveb letting me know about this, I'll be sending a check from 95815...

xxclaro
03-19-2006, 07:58 PM
Hey Ranch Dog.Any chance a Canadian can get in on this?I live in Alberta, and would love to have one,would be my first.I understand this would cost more,that's fine.If so,where and how to send money?Thanks.Great site,by the way.

steveb
03-19-2006, 08:04 PM
send payments to:

Jeff Bowne
1183 Haynor Rd
Ionia Michigan 48846


XXCLARO, tried to send an email back to ya but it wouldnt go through......Steve.

Ranch Dog
03-19-2006, 10:00 PM
Hey Ranch Dog.Any chance a Canadian can get in on this?I live in Alberta, and would love to have one,would be my first.I understand this would cost more,that's fine.If so,where and how to send money?Thanks.Great site,by the way.

You gotta talk to Jeff223 as he is the fellow ramroding the group buy. I believe there is another fellow from up North in the group so I guess it can be done. Go back through the posts as I remember seeing it somewhere.

Nrut
03-19-2006, 11:40 PM
Hey Ranch Dog.Any chance a Canadian can get in on this?I live in Alberta, and would love to have one,would be my first.I understand this would cost more,that's fine.If so,where and how to send money?Thanks.Great site,by the way.
Hi xxclaro....
...read post # 1 for the particulars...and yes the molds can be shipped to Canada as I have 3 already and have 3 more on order.....if you want this mold send a Postal MOD in US funds for $60.00 to Jeff (see post #1) ASAP.....the MOD should make it to Jeff before the end of the month if all goes well...I just sent mine out on Friday....mic
Be sure to state that the MOD is for the "RanchDog 44 mold" as Jeff has two 44 mold deals going.....

Ranch Dog
03-20-2006, 02:47 AM
As Jeff brings this to a close, we will have a bit of a wait for the mold to run through production so let's keep our interest up. I was just wondering where you lived, what caliber you are going to use the bullet for and what game you are after? I will update the list as Jeff continues to receive your checks. Just state your ZIP and let kmenow....

Junior1942
03-20-2006, 08:06 AM
71479 = LA = 44 mag = deer, hogs, beer cans

krag35
03-20-2006, 08:31 AM
97754 - Oregon - 44 mag, 444 - Elk

steveb
03-20-2006, 08:59 AM
47270 Indiana 44Mag Whitetail, Paper Targets

I am going to go one step further here. I have YET to get my first deer. Ive never been interested in taking a deer with a shotgun or muzzleloader really.All that is about to change with the bill that hopefully will be passed here in Indiana to use my levergun whether it be my 44Mag or my 30/30. This is excatly what ive been waiting on!!! I will be using this bullet in my Rossi 92, its slicker than snot and it rock-n-rolls:-D :-D :-D

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a199/steveb3006/3.jpg

Ranch Dog
03-20-2006, 09:02 AM
Outstanding SteveB! Best of luck chasing whitetails this year. I will set up a trophy room so everyone can post their TLC432 pictures and I will look forward to seeing yours!

jeff223
03-20-2006, 12:22 PM
thanks guys for making this happen.cant wait to get the mold myself.

i did in fact check out shipping to Canada and $60.00 should cover the mold cost and shipping.

i also called MIDWAY SHOOTERS SUPPLIES too and there is good news for you guys in Canada.Midway is setting up a place where you can get their products in Canada.i dont recall where that was but you can call Midway for the details about this.look them up on your computer and you can get their toll free phone number.
CHECK IT OUThttp://castboolits.gunloads.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Bear4570
03-20-2006, 12:29 PM
Jeff sent you a PM regarding this buy.

Thanks Chuck 54213

jeff223
03-20-2006, 12:35 PM
got it and sent one back to you

cast-n-blast
03-20-2006, 02:24 PM
20837-Md.-triple 4 and .44 mag- deer,grounghogs, paper punching

jeff223
03-20-2006, 03:11 PM
updated list below

48846-2 MOLDS
43445
30114
71479
59923
17241
77945
49738
20837
98337- 2 molds
73034
35803
67401
83843
47270
37179
95825
32127
78132
97754
54213
74403

2 molds to Sweden
1 mold to Austraila

steveb
03-20-2006, 03:16 PM
Once Lee Precision gets done with the molds do they go out to us from there??? Or go to Jeff??? As I stated previously this is my first group buy so its all new to me. Thanks in advance....Steve.(Im gettin excited!!!!):Fire: :twisted:

jeff223
03-20-2006, 03:25 PM
Steve once Lee is done with the mols they will send they to me,then i will send them out to you and the others.

Lee states up to 90 days to run the orders once they get that order.on my last group buy Lee got the molds done in about half that time,maybe they will this time too.we can only hopehttp://castboolits.gunloads.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

C A Plater
03-21-2006, 07:44 AM
ZIP ST Caliber Use
17241
20837 MD 444 & 44 Mag Deer, Varmints, and Paper
30114
32127
35803 AL 44 Mag Deer, Hogs & Paper
37179
43445
47270 IN 44 Mag Deer & Paper
48846
49738
54213
59923
67401
71479 LA 44 Mag Deer, hogs & beer cans
73034
77954 TX 444 & 44 Mag Deer & hogs
78132
83843
95825
97754 OR 444 & 44 Mag Elk
98337
Australia
Sweden

Bear4570
03-21-2006, 09:42 AM
Wisconsin 54213 444 & 44 Mag Deer, Bear, Hogs & Paper And With Any Luck Someday Elk.

308
03-21-2006, 11:39 AM
30114 - GA .445 Super Mag and .44 Mag. Deer, Hogs, Bear. Cans and paper, too.

Johnch
03-21-2006, 01:19 PM
43445 Ohio Several 44 mags Deer , paper and any stray Yotes that come into range

Johnch

Bodydoc447
03-21-2006, 01:55 PM
32127 FL 44 mag. paper, cans, really stooopid deer.

ironduke2
03-21-2006, 05:22 PM
17241 Pa. .44 Mag, .444 & .445 Super Mag. Deer,Hogs, Bear maybe Moose and anything else. :castmine:

k8bor
03-21-2006, 05:45 PM
49738 - 44mag & 444- deer, hogs and clangers. more fun than you know what to do with

jeff223
03-22-2006, 12:12 PM
i updated the zip code list once again and i have about 3 or 4 more orders on their way.you want in get in while you can.

thanks,
jeff

308
03-22-2006, 06:04 PM
The die I had Buckshot make me came today. Works perfect. I wish I could post a pic of the push rod that he made for it. Rather than just being turned to fit in the ram as usual he makes an extra cut to form a shoulder that rests on top of the ram. This should take out any play in that area. Also the threads on the die itself are cut better than on any die I've had. There's no wobble when it's screwed in the press. I'm very impressed.:-D

Plainsman
03-22-2006, 07:12 PM
Jeff,

I'll be sending my money Thurs for a RD Mold! I was waiting to see if one or the other was going to be ordered first, boy did THAT happen!

I'll send a MO to make it slightly easier for you! By the way, my zip is 58103.

Thanks!

Plainsman :)

steveb
03-22-2006, 09:25 PM
Was this a QUICK group buy compared to others???

Bret4207
03-22-2006, 09:31 PM
Yeah, this has been a quicky buy. Some designs have never got past the "dream" stage.

steveb
03-22-2006, 09:55 PM
Im sure glad I broke my inagural cherry on this group buy!!:drinks: !

LET-CA
03-22-2006, 10:51 PM
95825 - CA Win 94 444 Timber: Hogs, dangerous paper targets, marauding tin cans and space aliens!

jeff223
03-23-2006, 02:01 PM
you bet this has been a fast deal for sure and i cant wait to get a mold.im thinking we should of done a 240 or 250 gr FAT 44 mold deal.maybe that will be next?

Poohgyrr
03-24-2006, 01:34 AM
:drinks:

Check's in the mail a few days ago from 95815. .44 Mag for more of those stoopid deer, and any pigs, and bear if we ever stop talking and actually go, and maybe a jackrabbit or two....

And I'll check into using this in my .44 Special Lever - could be fun....

no34570
03-24-2006, 04:21 AM
Hi guy's
Just logged on and sent my International money order to jeff223 on Wednesday the 22nd of March for the Ranchdog mould and jeff is getting me the buckshot die for it as well,only because I misunderstood his emails to me,I'm excited:-D

Will be using it in my 444 Marlin and my Rossi 92 24 inch barreled .44 Mag,using it for Sambar Deer (Like Your Elk.444 only)pigs,goats and those deadly paper targets:)

I think we should put our hands together and give jeff a round of applause for doing such a good group buy,good on ya mate,cheers:drinks:
Should be more of it!
one excited fellow
Cheers
no34570
Dale.

jeff223
03-24-2006, 02:50 PM
here is an updated list of buyers

48846-2 MOLDS
43445
30114
71479
59923
17241
77945
49738
20837
98337- 2 molds
73034
35803
67401
83843
47270
37179
95825
32127
78132
97754
54213
74403
33540
95815
VOJ3AO Canada

waiting for payment for two molds to Sweden
waiting for payment for one mold to Austraila
and what other payments that have been sent

thanks all
jeff

Plainsman
03-25-2006, 09:39 AM
I have a MO in the mail from 58103 for one mold! It should be there Mon or Tues I'm thinking!

RD,
I plan on using this in .444Marlin and .44 magnum for deer, 'varmints', targets and hopefully moose and bear one day!

Plainsman :)

tom barthel
03-25-2006, 07:01 PM
I will use mine for targets. I'm not as moble as I was so, Most of the deer woods are out of bounds. I may try for deer, if I can find some level ground to walk on.

jeff223
03-25-2006, 09:12 PM
Ranch Dog my zip code is 48846 and im going to shoot this out of a 445 supermag for deer

steveb
03-26-2006, 12:12 PM
Im REALLY glad I got in on this group buy now! I made a throat cast of my Rossi 92 and it measures .432

LET-CA
03-27-2006, 12:14 AM
This has probably been covered, but does this mold come with handles, or do I need to order them as a separate item? Thanks in advance.

Ranch Dog
03-27-2006, 07:23 AM
LET-CA... I know we covered this in an email but for the others... No, the mold will not come with handles. You will need to purchase them.

Ranch Dog
03-27-2006, 07:28 AM
ZIP ST Caliber Use
17241 PA 445, 44, 444 Deer, Hogs, Bear & Moose
20837 MD 44, 444 Deer, Varmints, & Targets
30114 GA 445, 44 Deer, Bear, Hogs & Targets
32127 FL 44 Deer, Paper & Cans
33540
35803
37179
43445 OH 44 Deer, Varmints, & Targets
47270 IN 44 Deer & Targets
48846 445 Deer
49738 MI 44, 444 Deer, hogs & Targets
54213 WI 44, 444 Deer, Bear, Hogs & Targets
58103 MO 44, 444 Deer, Varmints, & Targets
59923
67401
71479 LA 44 Deer, hogs & beer cans
73034
74403
77954 TX 44, 444 Deer & hogs
78132
83843
95815 CA 44 Deer, Bear, Hogs & Targets
95825 CA 444 Hogs & Targets
97754 OR 44, 444 Elk
98337
VOJ3AO
Australia 44, 444 Sambar, Pigs, Goats & Targets
Sweden

tom barthel, what is your zip code... I need it to add your info above.

jeff223
03-27-2006, 02:55 PM
here is the updated zip code list so far.i got the payments from the guys in Sweden and in Australia too

48846-2 MOLDS
43445-2 molds
30114
71479
59923
17241
77945
49738
20837
98337- 2 molds
73034
35803
67401
83843
47270
37179
95825
32127
78132
97754
54213
74403
33540
95815
VOJ3AO Canada
58103
3889 Australia
93391 Sweden 2 molds

Plainsman
03-27-2006, 07:31 PM
Jeff,

Never mind! I see my zip now! LOL! :)

RD,

58103 is ND! :D

Thanks!

Plainsman
03-27-2006, 07:32 PM
LET-CA... I know we covered this in an email but for the others... No, the mold will not come with handles. You will need to purchase them.

I thought all LEE molds came with handles! :( grrrrr....

Is there a 'group buy' for handles??? :)

steveb
03-27-2006, 10:55 PM
I thought all LEE molds came with handles! :( grrrrr....

Is there a 'group buy' for handles??? :)


The Lee six cavity molds does not come with handles, They are around 12.00 bucks through www.midwayusa.com I THINK with the Lee two cavity molds handles are included.If im wrong someone please correct me on this.

Plainsman
03-27-2006, 11:12 PM
They are on sale through 4-30-06 $10.99 regularly $12.79.

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=117892

steveb
03-27-2006, 11:19 PM
Plainsman, thanks for the link! I just got the Midway flyer today and Lee liquid alox is on sale this month for 1.99!!! Stock up fellas!

jeff223
03-28-2006, 12:25 PM
i just talked to the Lee company and the lady said turn around time is going to be around 6 weeks or maybe alittle longer.im sending this order out on Saturday April 1st or on Monday April 3rdhttp://www.castboolits.gunloads.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Newtire
03-28-2006, 07:23 PM
Hi Jeff,
Dropped my check in the mail on Saturday March, 25th so should be there soon. It is for the Ranch Dog mould.

R.D. Staber
03-28-2006, 07:53 PM
Hi,I just joined this forum.I've been casting + loading for 35 yrs. but only been on the computer for a couple of months so please bear with my ignorance.Rather than reinvent the wheel I'd like some feedback on any data on working up a load for my 470 N.E. using 5744.RCBS mould 470-500.I've had good luck with this powder for cast loads in 375 H+H + 416 Rigby.Also has anyone used this powder in the 9.5x56 M/S?I'm currently using 38.5G. 3031 W/ Lyman 265G. sized to .378.I've enjoyed reading through this forum + looking forward to communicating w/ like minded people.Thanks. R.D. Never mistake motion for action. E.H.

Johnch
03-28-2006, 08:29 PM
Jeff I sent you a PM , I want a second one of these molds .
Not sure if the shipping for 2 is the same , but I will be sending a check out Wen. AM weather you get back to me or not .

43445
Johnch

jeff223
03-29-2006, 12:45 PM
sound good John.i made an edit to the list already too.

this deal is about done now.it sure took off fast

thanks all,
jeff

jeff223
03-29-2006, 02:50 PM
this is the updated list as of today.this deal ends on April 1st.i am sending payment in then.if i get a payment after i send the deal in i will put that payment on the Beartooth deal or return it to you

thanks everyone

37179
47270
83843
54213
74403
33540
95815
32127
78132
95825
97754
35803
73034
17241
71479
30114
77954
49738
59923
20837
67401
58103
3889 Australia
Sweden -2 molds
43445-2 molds
98337-4 molds
V0J3A0 B.C.Canada
95006
T9M1EF Alberta Canada
27539

steveb
03-29-2006, 07:37 PM
Another Noob question, I have not ever messed with gaschecked bullets, what size does it take for this one?? .430??? Thanks in advance.....Steve.

Ranch Dog
03-30-2006, 02:49 AM
They are the Hornady 44 Caliber (#7130) gas checks.

Boses ($23) (http://www.bosesguns.com/product_p/hor7130.htm)

MidwayUSA ($30) (http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=680467)

steveb
03-30-2006, 12:49 PM
Thanks Ranch Dog!

jeff223
03-31-2006, 12:17 PM
another one was added to this deal.

THIS ENDS TOMORROW ON APRIL 1ST

here is an updated list

37179
47270
83843
54213
74403
33540
95815
32127
78132
95825
97754
35803
73034
17241
71479
30114
77954
49738
59923
20837
67401
58103
3889 Australia
Sweden -2 molds
43445-2 molds
98337-4 molds
V0J3A0 B.C.Canada
95006
T9M1EF Alberta Canada
27539

jeff223
04-01-2006, 02:19 PM
THIS DEAL IS NOW CLOSED

and i want to thank all of you for your orders.

we are looking at a six week wait for the order to come back from Lee.i will keep you informed with any updates as they come along

Ranch Dog
04-01-2006, 03:51 PM
35 molds! Pretty awesome!

no34570
04-01-2006, 07:25 PM
[smilie=w:
Bring it on!
I can't wait for this to come into my grubby little hands,the hard part is waiting for it to be made and then shipped out[smilie=1:

Good work Jeff Bowne,well done
:drinks:
no34570

steveb
04-02-2006, 07:54 AM
Ditto! Jeff good job. Looking forward to getting this mold!!!:drinks:

Ranch Dog
04-02-2006, 09:33 AM
Yep Jeff... you did real good. This is about as fast a buy as I've ever seen. I've got hog hunters coming this week and then I will get the strain gages put on my 336-44 and back on my 444T for a little load/pressure work with the boolit.

Here is a picture of my 444T hooked up and recording pressure data for the TLC432-285-RF. I have electricity at my range now so it will make the work a lot easier for the laptop. It is very time consuming work and the battery on my laptop really couldn't cut it...

http://home.awesomenet.net/~ranch-dog/Casting/TLC432285RF/444%20Data/SL02.jpg

308
04-02-2006, 11:33 AM
Excellent job as usual Jeff. :drinks:

Poohgyrr
04-03-2006, 05:05 PM
:drinks:

I should have money saved for a longer barreled .44 for this summer....

:bigsmyl2:

packer
04-08-2006, 09:17 PM
I'm the new guy here , just came upon this thread and am very interested in one of these mold!
Help!!!
packer

jeff223
04-09-2006, 08:45 PM
sorry about this but the deal is over and the order has been sent in to Lee

you should check out the fat 44 deal im running.that one is still open

thanks for your interest,
jeff

Ranch Dog
04-12-2006, 07:19 AM
Ok... got some nice boolits cast up for the 44 Mag pressure testing. I've never installed a strain gage on my 336-44 but will work on that today in between getting my summer food plots disced.

I cast the latest batch of TLC432-285-RF boolits with 1/1 linotype to wheel weights. These sure are pretty boolits and tougher than a boot! With the lighter linotype, the weigh in at 265-grain once the gas check is on. I cold water quench...

http://home.awesomenet.net/~ranch-dog/Casting/040706_001.jpg

I use an ice chest filled with about 90% ice and 10% water with the level such that it is at the top of my basket. The basket keeps the ice out of the quenching area but things stay real cold! A towel is on the bottom of the basket and not shown is four sponges that float on top of the water. When the bullets hit the sponges, they flip slowing the bullet down and keeping the splashing to a minimum. Marshall at Beartooth Bullets actually directed me on the setup.

Bottom line... the alloy cast 20 to 21 BHN air cooled and 30 to 31 quenched. I don't size right away but I'm using that special order Lee .432" sizer on a .432" bullet mainly to crimp on the gas check. After sizing today, still 30 BHN. It's a tough, treated alloy that has worked great on big game for me.

http://home.awesomenet.net/~ranch-dog/Casting/041106_003.jpg

This is a vise test today with a Beartooth. The BTB yielded to the alloy. Actually have to use a "cheater bar" to torque the vice down as they are both tough bullets!

I will be storing this info on a web page for those of you that would like to use it as a reference once your molds arrive. Also will water quench some 1 to 10 alloy for numbers and for those that want a heavier bullet or don't have access to linotype.

steveb
04-12-2006, 11:51 AM
Thanks Ranch Dog. I always enjoy your pictures and your posts:-D

felix
04-12-2006, 01:09 PM
RanchDog, I bet there is no difference in hardness between quenching in hot water versus cold water. Why? Steam generated by a hot boolit against the water provides mucho insulation. It is the RATE of heat change which makes the boolit harder than nominal. You need a "water" that has a steaming point way above 220F to accomplish what you are looking for. ... felix

jeff223
04-12-2006, 02:10 PM
great info RANCH DOG and thanks

i cant wait to get this mold

Ranch Dog
04-12-2006, 04:07 PM
RanchDog, I bet there is no difference in hardness between quenching in hot water versus cold water. Why? Steam generated by a hot boolit against the water provides mucho insulation. It is the RATE of heat change which makes the boolit harder than nominal. You need a "water" that has a steaming point way above 220F to accomplish what you are looking for. ... felix

Thanks for the info, I will give plain old tap water a try and see if it delivers the 30 BHN.

Couldn't stand it so I interrupted the things that need to be done and just shot a quick five round at 100 yards from my 336-44. Here is the data from those shots...

http://home.awesomenet.net/~ranch-dog/Casting/TLC432285RF/Data/44RM/CED_Data_041206.jpg

I will get a couple pictures up later today... got to go do some farming for my deer. I also shot some of my new TLC460-425-RF out of my 450 Marlin... Holy Cow, what a boolit!

Ranch Dog
04-12-2006, 07:41 PM
Ok... some more pictures to keep you interested...

http://home.awesomenet.net/~ranch-dog/Casting/TLC432285RF/Data/44RM/041206_006.jpg

Here is a picture out on my rifle range with my Marlin 336-44 getting ready to spit lead! I have berms at 25, 50, 100, 200, 250, and 300-yards. Yes, I shoot my leverguns at all of the them (don't have any bolt guns except the NIB 700 I won in a deer contest which I'm trading tomorrow for another NIB Marlin). 100-yard target is visable in the "V" of the chronograph.

http://home.awesomenet.net/~ranch-dog/Casting/TLC432285RF/Data/44RM/041206_009.jpg

Target I shot today. The first shot is high, a fouling shot, after cleaning the barrel. My rifle is sighted in with the 290-grain LFNGC Beartooths. I will sight it back in with the TLC432 boolit. You can tell I'm a hick because my targets come on my feed sacks. Just remember that the 1:38 twist of the Marlin's barrels doesn't shoot cast well. Right! The four shot string measure .92 MOA (by my computer's RSI software). It will get better.

http://home.awesomenet.net/~ranch-dog/Casting/TLC432285RF/Data/44RM/041206_007.jpg

I found this slug laying behind the 100-yard target in the sand of the berm. It's a TLC-432-285-RF I fired in this session. 61 caliber and 185-grains.

Poohgyrr
04-12-2006, 11:44 PM
Thanks for the updates. I'm waiting to see how mine do. Should be fun.

:Fire:

jcork
04-15-2006, 12:17 PM
Steam generated by a hot boolit against the water provides mucho insulation. It is the RATE of heat change which makes the boolit harder than nominal. You need a "water" that has a steaming point way above 220F to accomplish what you are looking for. ... felix


Maybe the answer is Propylene Glycol (http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/p6928.htm). It seems to boil at 370f instead of 212f. It is commonly used as 'safe' antifreeze because it is less dangerous than Ethylene Glycol.

Buckshot
04-17-2006, 06:26 AM
..............If you make a brine solution it does a very good job in reducing steam pockets/bubbles on the metal's surface. I also seriously doubt that the sponges are required, and may in fact serve no usefull purpose.

When a slug hits the surface of the water it does not continue through the interface while remaining at the same velocity. In fact it will loose a good portion of it's speed, and then accelerate through the water very slowly to the bottom.

..............Buckshot

Ranch Dog
04-26-2006, 06:09 AM
RanchDog, I bet there is no difference in hardness between quenching in hot water versus cold water. Why? Steam generated by a hot boolit against the water provides mucho insulation. It is the RATE of heat change which makes the boolit harder than nominal. You need a "water" that has a steaming point way above 220F to accomplish what you are looking for. ... felix


Okay felix... I gave the tap water quenching a try and the got the same results of 31 BHN. I dropped the heavy TLC460-425-RFs directing into a 5-gallon plastic bullet. The boolits were receiving some damage at the bottom so I sunk a couple of shop towel to the bottom and cured that problem. The splashing was bad with the big boolit so I filled the surface of bucket with my small sponges, they are cut 4" X 4" and it pretty much stopped the watery feedback.

felix
04-26-2006, 07:57 AM
RanchDog, I forgot the argument. Was it water versus a methylethyl version of antifreeze? Or hot water versus cold water? ... felix

Ranch Dog
04-26-2006, 10:08 AM
Just cold water vs. tap water.

Ranch Dog
04-27-2006, 09:18 AM
You fellows are as patient a bunch of group buyers as I've seen. I guess this isn't your first rodeo!

I finally got my pressure trace gear rigged up to my Marlin 336-44. I plan on working with both H110 & H4227. What I want to do is give you an idea of when the boolit, with each powder, reaches the SAAMI max of 36.0K PSI with each powder in my rifle. I will do this with a bullet weighing in at 285-grains with the heavy alloys and 265-grains with the lighter alloys. This should give you a starting point for YOUR load work.

The 444 Marlin will be next with a wider range of Hodgdon powders... Benchmark, BL-C(2), H322, H335, H4198, H4895 & Varget. Same format but loads up to 42.0K PSI.

I work with the Hodgdon powder as I have to order everything online... no where to buy it around here. If there was a way to get it to me, I would work with any powder for a "pound". I might have enough RLD7 to get some data with but I'm just about out of it and don't have plans to use it again. I like the Hodgdon powders with cast boolits because Lee publishes a factor for reducing a known load (pressure) to match the ultimate compression strength of the alloy you are shooting. It is a great method of figuring out what the max load of a given alloy is.

Here are some photos... The first is the setup at my range behind my house. I shoot from 25 to 300-yards. As soon as I'm done remodeling my house I will build a cover on the pad I poured. I have water and electric at the pad. The electric specifically for the RSI pressure trace gear.

Next is the setup for the 336-44. The strain gage is attached to the barrel with super-glue. The gage is connected to a cable that runs to an interface box and then the PC. The PC is also connected to the CED Millennium Chronography. This equipment is an outstanding way to develop loads as with it you basically shoot the "ladder" but the software does all the homework for you. Each strain gage is about $30 and they remain on the rifle. They are not reusable. Yep, I'm shooting with the magazine tube and forearm removed. It's a great way to see the potential of your levergun and tune the parts as you put them back on.

Finally, here is the actual gage (pardon the focus). Notice that the gage does not "center" on case because of the short cartridge. Because of this I have to shoot "calibrated" ammunition to correct the data. That is just simply factory ammo at a know pressure. I'm using ammo from Wisc. Cartridge Co. and hopefully they will give me a data reference. If not, I will ship the required rounds out to Western Cartridge Co for the reference data.

That's how it is done... it does take a bit of time and I will be posting the data on my web pages as it is collected. It gives a fellow something to do!!!

steveb
04-27-2006, 09:33 AM
Does that Pressure Trace equipment HAVE TO have a laptop or will it store the info till you get back to the desktop??

Ranch Dog
04-27-2006, 11:21 AM
It must have the laptop... Doesn't need much of one. You can buy them on eBay for a couple of hundred bucks...

Ranch Dog
04-27-2006, 12:05 PM
Besides just looking at a maximum pressure of your load, you really use the software to help you determine the BEST load for your rifle based your your components and the characteristics of your barrel.

Have you ever shot a "Ladder" to develop a load? That is basically what this software works through for you. Attached is the report that it generates. This report is from what I shot yesterday which was five-shots of the same load.

For load development, you would work in load increments and the software would rate each shot/load. For instance, going into this load I knew that 20.5-grains of H110 was near the maximum for this bullet and cartridge. Also knowing that I shouldn't reduce H110 more than 3% or .6-grains, in this example I would shoot six traces (increments) of .1-grain each. My starting load of 19.9, 20.0, 20.1, etc. Each trace would be evaluated against the other and load that best matches the barrel given the 100% efficiency. Using H110 and the small case capacity of the 44 Rem Mag isn't the best example.

I used this RSI Pressure Trace equipment to do my load development with the TLC432-285-RF and my Marlin 444T several years ago. The alloy I was using cast a bullet at 265-grains so I decide to mirror Hodgdon's data for H4198 and the 265-grain Hornady bullet. I took the recommended Max load of 47.0 and a starting load of 42.3 (Max less 10%) and shot the difference between the two in ten traces (intervals) of .5-grains. It rate the max load of 47.0 100%. That step looked at .5-grain intervals so my next step was to shoot 10-traces centered on the 47.0-grain load. So I shot ten more traces from 46.5 up to 47.5-grains in .1-grain intervals. In this fine tuning and in this case, it again indicated that the 47.0-grain load was the best. I wasn't worried about 47.0-grains being the max as I was directly observing the PSI generated by each shot and would not let the next .1-grain interval exceed the 42.0K PSI SAAMI limit for the 444 Marlin. That 47.0-grain load and a 265-grain TLC432-285-RF delivers 40.0K PSI and OUTSTANDING performance! 2370 to 2400 FPS depending on temperature, altitude, and barometric pressure and over 3300 FPE at the muzzle!!!

The bottom line is I fine tuned my rifle in 20-shots. The next step would be to do the same for each appropriate powder. Once a load is chosen for each powder, I take the best load from each powder and shoot against the other best powders. Doing this I've selected the best load and powder for my rifle. Shooting this the old fashion way of load development would take at least 700 rounds of ammo and a lot of time. Comparing groups would be subjective to the shooters ability to deliver consistance shots. With the 7 powders, all this work could be done in 140 shots with the RSI equipment.

I started this work with my 444T two years ago and now I'm at a point that I can finish it with all my firearms. A personal loss in my life, relocating, and rebuilding a home and ranch are now past so I can spend more time with my hobbies. Jim at RSI has been most helpful in solving some issues I had with using the equipment. These ended up being problems I had... not RSI.

RSI Link (http://www.shootingsoftware.com/index.htm)

steveb
05-02-2006, 10:08 AM
Very interesting stuff for sure!:Fire: :Fire: :Fire: :-D

Ranch Dog
05-09-2006, 11:01 PM
Well...

Got in some quality time today with my Marlin 336-44 exploring H110 and the TLC432-285-RF boolit. The pressure trace work is kind of slow going but I worked it pretty good looking for a charge limit within the SAAMI spec of 36.0K PSI.

At the same time I'm shooting a "ladder" for my rifle and comparing it to the "Optimum Barrel Timing" information offered through the Pressure Trace equipment. It looks like I've found the exact load my rifle is going to love at the 1610 FPS/33.6K PSI level. 30-shots took about 4 hours to work through.

http://home.awesomenet.net/~ranch-dog/Casting/TLC432285RF/Data/44RM/336-44_range.jpg

Here is the setup out on the range behind my house. See that white target way out there. That is the "ladder" I'm shooting at and it is 200-yards out there. That distance defines the difference in .1-grain powder charges pretty easy. It is amazing how accurate a 44 Rem Mag rifle is out to that distance and beyond as long as you understand the ballistic tables and know the yardage.

http://home.awesomenet.net/~ranch-dog/Casting/TLC432285RF/Data/44RM/PT_20.9_to_21.7_H110.jpg

Here is what some of the data looks like as you receive it at the shooting bench. This represents charges of 20.9 through 21.7-grains in one-tenth of a grain increments.

I will be formatting the information into a web page but it all takes a little time! Next stop is pushing the cartridge to 42.0K PSI for the 336-44 rifles. Then on to H4198 in the 444 Marlin. After that I will come back to H4227 in the 44 Rem Mag.

jcork
05-11-2006, 10:10 AM
Next stop is pushing the cartridge to 42.0K PSI for the 336-44 rifles.

Just for clarification, 36k is the SAAMI spec, but the 336/44 (and/or?) 1894 rifles can handle 42k?

Please keep up the excellent work! I had no idea when I joined a group buy that it would include complete loading data!

Bear4570
05-11-2006, 05:09 PM
Okay felix... I gave the tap water quenching a try and the got the same results of 31 BHN. I dropped the heavy TLC460-425-RFs directing into a 5-gallon plastic bullet. The boolits were receiving some damage at the bottom so I sunk a couple of shop towel to the bottom and cured that problem. The splashing was bad with the big boolit so I filled the surface of bucket with my small sponges, they are cut 4" X 4" and it pretty much stopped the watery feedback.

Ranch Dog, The way I solved this problem was to place a bath towel over a 5 gallon bucket with a hole cut in the center and held in place with an elastic strap.
the hole in the towel hangs down at the water line which is about 1/3 from the top of the bucket. I drop the bullet into the towel and it rolls into the water, no damaged bullet. Has worked for me for years without changing the outcome of the quenching.

Great info your posting, Love that old Marlin 444.

Ranch Dog
05-11-2006, 11:06 PM
Just for clarification, 36k is the SAAMI spec, but the 336/44 (and/or?) 1894 rifles can handle 42k?

Please keep up the excellent work! I had no idea when I joined a group buy that it would include complete loading data!

jcork... Your guess would be as good as mine. I feel comfortable pushing my 336 rifle chambered in 44 Mag up the the 42K PSI level based on the cartridges chambered in that action. On the other hand, the '94s are all chambered in calibers at or near the 36K PSI level. The only exception is the 218 Bee. SAAMI doesn't list a PSI limit for that cartridge, just a 40K CUP limit. RSI Pressure Trace users would convert that to about 42.7K PSI. The CIP PSI limit (Euro) for the 218 Bee is 46.4K PSI. All this said, in the 1894s I would stick with the 36K PSI limit.

Based on the Optimum Barrel Timing information supplied by the Pressure Trace equipment, I suspect my rifle will be shooting 21.0-grains of H110 for some outstanding groups.

Ranch Dog
05-11-2006, 11:16 PM
Let me add more more thing. To take advantage of these pressure limits... you have to cast a tough boolit. A bullet being pushed at 36K will require a BHN of about 28. 42K will require a BHN of 33.

I cast with water quenched 1 to 1 linotype/WW and it hits these upper numbers yet remains a great big game boolit!

Ranch Dog
05-11-2006, 11:21 PM
Ranch Dog, The way I solved this problem was to place a bath towel over a 5 gallon bucket with a hole cut in the center and held in place with an elastic strap.

Sounds good to me...

LET-CA
05-15-2006, 07:39 PM
Is there any estimate of when these will be shipped? I'm getting as excited as a little kid at Christmas!

steveb
05-15-2006, 08:27 PM
Gee thanks LET-CA! I had forgotten all about this group buy for about 5-10 min(Yea right) now im all excited again. Bring it on im ready to get castin!!!:drinks:

Poohgyrr
05-15-2006, 09:02 PM
:drinks:

Yeah. I've been gathering molds and equipment for a while, but this has me actually starting casting. I'm all set, and collecting more WW, to try this mold in .44 Levers. I really want to see how it does in my .44 Special M92 - the 44-40 has done well for a long time - a healthy bullet in the .44 Special should be fun. Then there is a matching 4" revolver to try. One way, or another...

:Fire:

LET-CA
05-15-2006, 09:28 PM
Are we there yet?! Well?? :coffee: I've always been bad at waiting for anything.



Gee thanks LET-CA! I had forgotten all about this group buy for about 5-10 min(Yea right) now im all excited again. Bring it on im ready to get castin!!!:drinks:

Ranch Dog
05-15-2006, 11:01 PM
I sent in my order for the TLC311-165-RF on 03/25/06, and haven't got the approval drawing yet. I'll see if I can get an update on that order tomorrow from Lee and it will be good for comparing any order for this particular time of year.

steveb
05-19-2006, 02:37 AM
Is there any estimate of when these will be shipped? I'm getting as excited as a little kid at Christmas!

Thought I would bump this back to the top to see if there is any info on when these will be shipped??? Anyone?? Anyone??, Bueller??,Bueller??:-D :twisted: :coffee:

jeff223
05-19-2006, 04:34 PM
the order was shipped to Lee some time ago and it should be shipped back to me sometime in May.i will get the molds ready and shipped out ASAP once i get them.i cant wait for the order to get to my place.keep a look out on this forum because i will post something about the molds once i get themhttp://www.castboolits.gunloads.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

steveb
05-22-2006, 08:01 PM
I just posted this on another thread but I cant help my self. I been having the Lee six cavity's on the brain . Guys you just have to...............:-D :-D :-D







http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a199/steveb3006/Leesixcavitytext.jpg

jeff223
05-25-2006, 06:54 PM
no molds yet.i was thinking they would be shipped to me sometime in May???still a few days left in May.if i dont get them next week sometime i will call Lee to find out something about our order

once i find out something i will let you all knowhttp://www.castboolits.gunloads.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Poohgyrr
05-28-2006, 04:01 PM
I just posted this on another thread but I cant help my self. I been having the Lee six cavity's on the brain . Guys you just have to...............:-D :-D :-D


Hey, you've been busy there. I hope to start soon myself. The yard work is pretty much done, and the WWs & a 16" M94 are waiting........

jeff223
05-31-2006, 11:02 AM
i talked to a lady at Lee precision yesterday and she said there is 3 orders ahead of this one.they got our order on April 10 and we can expect a wait of 90 to 120days for our order to be shipped back to me.

hang in therehttp://www.castboolits.gunloads.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

Plainsman
05-31-2006, 09:04 PM
When do we start the countdown? :)

Thanks!

jcork
05-31-2006, 11:35 PM
Per their web site:

" Lead time for all custom bullet molds is 120 days."

I suspect their 90-120 day answer means -

'We'll ship it when we're done !'

steveb
06-01-2006, 04:53 AM
Per their web site:

" Lead time for all custom bullet molds is 120 days."

I suspect their 90-120 day answer means -

'We'll ship it when we're done !'


If I had my guess I would say if you got to actually talk to someone out on the floor that knows more whats going on with the order it would be different. Sounds like the standard answer they give everyone to me.:coffee:

Ranch Dog
06-02-2006, 10:35 AM
i talked to a lady at Lee precision yesterday and she said there is 3 orders ahead of this one.they got our order on April 10 and we can expect a wait of 90 to 120days for our order to be shipped back to me.

hang in therehttp://www.castboolits.gunloads.com/images/icons/icon10.gif

This is VERY NORMAL...

I have a personal order in, right ahead of this buy... beat you guys to the lineup on purpose! Order dated 03/25/06, with the approval drawing on 04/07/06. I will let you know when my TLC311-165-RFs arrive and our group buy should follow about a week later.

Still working on the load data for the TLC432. A lot of issues keep getting in the way. Finally walked out to the range on Wednesday afternoon to finish up the 44 Mag and continue on the 444 Marlin and damned if it didn't start raining. I've shot hundreds of rounds of ammo but the bottom line is if you use Hodgdon's data (2006 Annual) for a 270-grain bullet in the 44 Mag and 265-grain bullet in the 444 Marlin you will not have any pressure problems working from the starting loads to the maximum loads.

I've always wanted to try Benchmark and Varget in my 444 and that was what I was going to work with on Wednesday so the rain was a big disappointment.

Ranch Dog
06-05-2006, 08:27 AM
Well... I won't be getting the pressure stuff together for this boolit. A very frustrating afternoon at my range left the Pressure Trace hardware at the bottom of my Ranch's burn hole. Got so pissed off at it that I threw it in the trash.

45 2.1
06-05-2006, 09:02 AM
Well... I won't be getting the pressure stuff together for this boolit. A very frustrating afternoon at my range left the Pressure Trace hardware at the bottom of my Ranch's burn hole. Got so pissed off at it that I threw it in the trash.

If its still good, go back and retrieve it. You'll regret it later if you don't. Just let it set for awhile until you cool off.

steveb
06-05-2006, 09:46 AM
Well... I won't be getting the pressure stuff together for this boolit. A very frustrating afternoon at my range left the Pressure Trace hardware at the bottom of my Ranch's burn hole. Got so pissed off at it that I threw it in the trash.


WHAT!!! Bummer:( Actually I have been there and done all that not with pressure trace equipment, but I did pull a Pete Townsend with my (RIP:twisted: ) guitar once long ago. Once I cooled off I REALLY regretted it and have ever since:( . I hope your pressure trace equipment fares better than my guitar did. That equipment is expensive (for me anyway) and try to salvage it IF you can.

LET-CA
06-05-2006, 06:57 PM
Well... I won't be getting the pressure stuff together for this boolit. A very frustrating afternoon at my range left the Pressure Trace hardware at the bottom of my Ranch's burn hole. Got so pissed off at it that I threw it in the trash.

Once your blood pressure comes down a little we'd like to hear what precipitated this. (This is a great opportunity for a colorful story) Hope all is well.

357maximum
06-10-2006, 07:24 PM
Ranch Dog sent me some of them R.D 44-265 grainers, WOW them boolits are great shootin fellers there. I had just about given up on "OL BERTHA" (444S) ever shooting cast, but I'll be DAMNED she liked them ALOT. Just wish I had gotten in on the buy. RD said in a PM to me that around Jan sometime a reprisal would be in his plans, thank GOD for that. I CANNOT WAIT

B.T.W I owe RanchDog a great big THANK YOU, You give me a huge gift in them few boolits sir, thanks again
Michael

Ranch Dog
06-10-2006, 08:39 PM
I'm really glad "Ol Bertha" is going to be just fine! Cast'm hard and push'm hard and the critters will drop!

steveb
06-10-2006, 09:19 PM
Ranch Dog sent me some of them R.D 44-265 grainers, WOW them boolits are great shootin fellers there.

I sure hope they shoot good out of my Rossi 92. Cant wait to get this mould:Fire:

LET-CA
06-10-2006, 11:58 PM
Michael - What's your preferred alloy for these? I was planning on a 50/50 mix of wheelweights and linotype. Thanks in advance.

Lenny

Ranch Dog
06-11-2006, 06:42 AM
That's what I use Lenny. I water quench them and end up with a bullet that has a BHN of 30 to 31 using the Lee tester. I use the Hodgdon data for the Hornady 265-grain bullet and it drops critters dead.

Plainsman
07-03-2006, 10:45 PM
Anybody heard anything in the last 3+ weeks! :D

waksupi
07-04-2006, 02:08 AM
Anybody heard anything in the last 3+ weeks! :D

Well, I did hear there was supposed to be a new Indiana Jones movie out soon. Also heard my neighbors are going to get some goats, and maybe some chickens. My nephew, (well, actually, his wife) had another kid last week. That's about all I've heard in the last few weeks. Anyone else heard anything?[smilie=1:

steveb
07-04-2006, 02:18 AM
Well, I did hear there was supposed to be a new Indiana Jones movie out soon. Also heard my neighbors are going to get some goats, and maybe some chickens. My nephew, (well, actually, his wife) had another kid last week. That's about all I've heard in the last few weeks. Anyone else heard anything?[smilie=1:



waksupi, All Right! Be sure and let us know of any more new developments:twisted: :-D

Newtire
07-04-2006, 09:57 AM
Anybody heard anything in the last 3+ weeks! :D
Last I heard, it was going to be 120 days from the mail-in date (of the order) and that would put it at August 10th? Things took a turn for SLOW at Lee starting with this order it seems. It's about time for another Indiana Jones movie!

Ranch Dog
07-04-2006, 04:13 PM
I got a UPS notice that Lee has shipped me my TLC311-165-RFs.. I think they are scheduled for delivery on the 5th. This is an order I placed immediately before Jeff223's TLC432 order. I would think they are being cut now.

jeff223
07-05-2006, 10:14 AM
the last time i checked with LEE they said it could take up to 120 days for the order to be run and shipped back to me.i am expecting the molds some time this month (July)

i will post something ASAP once i receive the order and that order will be shipped out to those who ordered within two days

BOY I CANT WAIT MUCH LONGER EITHER

Poohgyrr
07-05-2006, 01:47 PM
:drinks:

I'm waiting; there is a Trapper in Magnum , and the EMF in Special, both waiting for this. I am really hoping we can find an interesting load for the M92 - this wll be fun.

Plainsman
07-15-2006, 10:17 AM
Just thought I'd let you know, mine arrived in the mail yesterday (Fri 7-14-04).

Thanks for the effort Jeff and the design RD! :)