What powder to use for the M1 Garand.

[rgsumpter]

As the title says I am looking for a powder that is available to load some rounds for the M1. I do have some 4064 that I will use up but then trying to decide on some new powder that is readily available to load some more with. During normal times I would just stick with 4064 or one of the 4895's but they are not available at this time locally. I was wondering what folks have used and had good luck with. I will be loading with these 147gr bullets that I purchased 1000 of. https://www.cdvs.us/product/308-dia-150-grain-boat-tail-ball-bullets-500-pack/


I do have a pound of Vihtavuori N140. Some others that I have seen locally that seem to be in the correct burn rate are Vihtavuori N135, Hodgon H335 and Accurate 2460.

[Jadkins87]

I removed my information it was for a different style bullet.

[Delkal]

Garands were originally loaded with H4895 in WWII and are happiest with burn rates from BLC (2) to IMR-4064. H335 should work but a better option would be Accurate 2520. It is known as Camp Perry powder for M-14s but is good in Garands too. And $45 a pound and available is a lot better than $70 and unavailable.

Hodgdon has some service rifle loads for both 30-06 and for .308 as an option (look for it under cartridges). Surprisingly they do not list AA2520.

https://hodgdonreloading.com/rldc/?t=1

[trapper9260]

I had help my friend to load his and used IMR-4064 and it shot like the factory ammo he had .

[Cast10]

I shoot AA2460 in my M1’s.

I know 4064 it is within burn rate, but I’ve heard some things about pressure. Even though 2520 was THE service rifle powder, I didn’t go that route either. Used to, powder companies published a lot more data on their powder characteristics, which gave the ‘studied’ reloader more info on choices and how to choose. FWIW, my pressure findings on 4064 wasn’t even with M1, it was with 150gr /06 loads in general. Perhaps pushing too fast/hard????? I just don’t remember, it’s been a day or two since then.

I’d visit the CMP website and check out load data there. Good luck.

[Ithaca Gunner]

147 - 155 grain FMJ or HPBT bullets

IMR 3031 - 48.0 grains
IMR 4895 - 49.0 grains
IMR 4064 - 50.0 grains
W748 - 48.0 grains
AA2460 - 49.0 grains
AA2520 - 51.0 grains
AA2495 - 50.5 grains
H4895 - 49.0 grains
BLC-2 - 49.0 grains
H335 - 49.0 grains
RL-12 - 48.0 grains


https://www.northwestfirearms.com/threads/master-***-temple-m1-garand-reloading-data.340481/

At one time I had a link to Master Po's Temple, but I think it's been taken down due to age, here's a copy of loads from another site where someone saved them. Consult a loading manual, (or several) before using data.

[Rich/WIS]

Have used IMR 4064, BLC2, and Varget with 147-150 gr jacketed in my M1. All worked well but did find the BLC2 needed mag primers. Suspect any of the loads in the post above will work just fine.

[relics6165]

rgsumpter:

Find yourself a good burn rate chart, basically anything between H4895 and IMR 4064 will work, maybe even H335 to 4064. Slower than 4064 will work with an adjustable gas plug.

By the way, M1 Garand loads predate WW2, they were worked up with IMR 1185, which, after WW2 became IMR 4895. H4895 is a later Australian Defense Industries powder which has a burn rate similar to, but not exactly, IMR 4895.


http://allthehowards.com/pistol/powder/burn_rate_charts/GSCBurnRate_Chart.html

[rgsumpter]

As I mentioned I was looking for someone with experience using a different powder, one that was currently available locally. I would love to use 4064 and will use what I have left but it is currently not available in my area.

I was under the impression that Varget was about as slow of a powder that you would want to use. If going as slow as BLC2 is an option, which is not available locally, I see that Winchester 748 is just a little faster and that is available locally at this time. And I do see loads for this. Has anyone used it with 150gr and what is your impression?

I also see that the N140 I do have is about the same speed as Varget and that is also one that is available. I see loads for it with 168gr but not with 150gr.

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[jimb16]

In a pinch, you can get away with IMR 4350, but you won't get as good performance.

[Eddie1971]

In a pinch, you can get away with IMR 4350, but you won't get as good performance.

I think you would end up with a bent op rod using 4350. W748 is a favorite of mine to use in the M1. Make sure you use a magnum type primer, like CCI #34's.

[15meter]

I've used H380 in the past, more as an experiment because I have ~15 pounds of it. Don't remember the load or where I got the load but it was a published load and seemed to work OK.

I think H380 is approaching the burn rate limit in the Garand.

Good luck.

[rgsumpter]

That looks like it might work, especially if I load some 168grs and it is available. While it is not in Gordons reloading burn rate table it looks like it is between leverEvolution and Varget.

[ShooterAZ]

My favorite powder for the M1 Garand is IMR4064, it has been for many years. I use 46.5 grains with either the Sierra or Hornady 168 grain HPBT match bullets. This load has never let me down.

[nicholst55]

My favorite powder for the M1 Garand is IMR4064, it has been for many years. I use 46.5 grains with either the Sierra or Hornady 168 grain HPBT match bullets. This load has never let me down.

IMR-4064 is difficult to locate and extremely pricey when you can find it. I recently saw some locally for $76 a pound.

[ShooterAZ]

IMR-4064 is difficult to locate and extremely pricey when you can find it. I recently saw some locally for $76 a pound.

I must be sitting on a gold mine then. I still have an unopened 8 pound jug, and half of another one left. I figure at my age, it’ll probably last me until I’m croaked.

[Delkal]

With the constant unavailability for the last decade and current price IMR powders are officially now obsolete and I will never buy any of them again. They never metered that good anyway. I have many pounds of old IMR powders but when they are gone I will not be replacing them.

I have ball powders loads that are equal in accuracy and even higher in velocity for just about all of my rifles and I am sure I can develop a ball load for the other ones. So why bother. I started loading 308 and 30-06 in my Garands with AA2520 and it was one of my favorite powders. Eventually I bought 32 pounds of surplus pulled IMR 4895 when it was under $10 a pound and since that is what was originally used in the Garand started using that. But when its gone it will be back to 2520.

[rgsumpter]

My favorite powder for the M1 Garand is IMR4064, it has been for many years. I use 46.5 grains with either the Sierra or Hornady 168 grain HPBT match bullets. This load has never let me down.

That or one of the 4895's is what I was going to do until I went looking for powder. I am unable to find 4064 or 4895 locally so that is the reason for asking what others have used that they like.

[rgsumpter]

With the constant unavailability for the last decade and current price IMR powders are officially now obsolete and I will never buy any of them again. They never metered that good anyway. I have many pounds of old IMR powders but when they are gone I will not be replacing them.

I have ball powders loads that are equal in accuracy and even higher in velocity for just about all of my rifles and I am sure I can develop a ball load for the other ones. So why bother. I started loading 308 and 30-06 in my Garands with AA2520 and it was one of my favorite powders. Eventually I bought 32 pounds of surplus pulled IMR 4895 when it was under $10 a pound and since that is what was originally used in the Garand started using that. But when its gone it will be back to 2520.

Just looked and don't see AA2520 locally but will add it to my list to keep an eye out for.

[15meter]

I've used H380 in the past, more as an experiment because I have ~15 pounds of it. Don't remember the load or where I got the load but it was a published load and seemed to work OK.

I think H380 is approaching the burn rate limit in the Garand.

Good luck.

Sent an email to Hodgdon, asking about H380, they don't recommend it, it's too slow. Now to come up with a way to burn off 15-20 pounds of H380.

Good thing, part 2 of my question was about Accurate 2495, got ~8 lbs, there are Garand safe loads with 2495.

I know it doesn't answer the OP's original question but the 2495 load makes me happy.


Now if I only could remember where I got the H380 loads.

[rgsumpter]

Sent an email to Hodgdon, asking about H380, they don't recommend it, it's too slow. Now to come up with a way to burn off 15-20 pounds of H380.



Good excuse to go shopping for another gun.

[15meter]

Good excuse to go shopping for another gun.

Got enough guns(I know, sacrilege,). Problem is, most of my H380 is pre-zip code vintage, most likely WWII surplus. It still works well, but I prefer fresher powder for the 22-250, 220 Swift or the 243.

I'm a little pickier about the accuracy of those rifles as opposed to offhand dinger ringing with one of the Garands.

[rgsumpter]

Got enough guns(I know, sacrilege,). Problem is, most of my H380 is pre-zip code vintage, most likely WWII surplus. It still works well, but I prefer fresher powder for the 22-250, 220 Swift or the 243.

I'm a little pickier about the accuracy of those rifles as opposed to offhand dinger ringing with one of the Garands.

I mainly use my 243 for shooting sage rats. A little off on the accuracy I wouldn't worry about.

[FLINTNFIRE]

I have used reloader 15 norma 202 and shooters world match , all of which are hard to find , shooters world was a cheaper powder not any more and as hard to find as any now a days , I put schuster plugs in mine so I can use what powders are available .

[15meter]

I mainly use my 243 for shooting sage rats. A little off on the accuracy I wouldn't worry about.

Mine.was used in our varmint matches, 10 ring is about 7/8". It's time for a new barrel, went from a fairly regular 50 at 100 yards, to lucky to hit in the scoring rings at all.

[rgsumpter]

Mine.was used in our varmint matches, 10 ring is about 7/8". It's time for a new barrel, went from a fairly regular 50 at 100 yards, to lucky to hit in the scoring rings at all.

I just worried if I hit and killed them, not where I hit them.

[15meter]

I just worried if I hit and killed them, not where I hit them.

But there's at least TEN BUCKS on the line for the winner:bigsmyl2:

[rgsumpter]

But there's at least TEN BUCKS on the line for the winner:bigsmyl2:

No, loser buy's the round at the local watering hole.[smilie=l:

[Jeremy2171]

Sent an email to Hodgdon, asking about H380, they don't recommend it, it's too slow. Now to come up with a way to burn off 15-20 pounds of H380.

Good thing, part 2 of my question was about Accurate 2495, got ~8 lbs, there are Garand safe loads with 2495.

I know it doesn't answer the OP's original question but the 2495 load makes me happy.


Now if I only could remember where I got the H380 loads.
I guess hogdons forgot they used to load USGI 30 cal with H380.

4895 isn't the original powder..it wasn't loaded until around 1944.


The garand isn't as sensitive as the internet leads you to believe.

Key rules are oprod spring is at least 19.5" long and it's properly greased and you will be fine with no modifications.

[Mauser88]

H335 - 49.0 grains I've used this load since about 1999 when I got mine from the DCM for $169.00 delivered to my door by the USPS.

[rgsumpter]

I assume that you are also using 150gr bullets? That powder is available locally and is one of the ones I was looking at. Is this the only one you have used and how do you like it?

Thanks

[GONRA]

GONRA sez IMR 4895 is THE .30-06 M1 Garand powder.

[rgsumpter]

GONRA sez IMR 4895 is THE .30-06 M1 Garand powder.

Problem is that IMR 4895 is unobtainium. Looking for something that is obtainable.

[GONRA]

GONRA sez checkout IMR 3031, also ball powders close to IMR 3031 on the charts, etc.

[MostlyLeverGuns]

Ramshot TAC and Accurate 2495 act very much like H4895, both are available at Powder Valley. At current prices, TAC is a bargain.

[rgsumpter]

I do desire to buy the powder locally with cash. H335 is available locally as well as N140 and I do have a pound of N140 on hand. In doing an internet search I found this on another site. https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=65113&page=2&

I think at this point I have some loads I can load up with the N140 and I have heard some good things about the VV powders. I am also going to get a pound of H335 and try that one out also. It will be several weeks before I can go to the range but will report back with what I find out.

[K43]

N135. Just a hair faster than H4895. It's available and it's no longer the expensive, hard to find powder it was. I've been using it since 4895 and 4064 became hard to find. N140 is good if you were a Varget/Re15 lover.

[derek45]

this is from the old NRA book.

I always used IMR4895


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[Bronco72]

Don't ask how I know a slow powder can bend your op rod! I stay in the burn rate between 4895 and 4064. I put an adjustable gas plug on but have only used max 172gr bullets. I adjusted the plug to just get reliable function to take it easy on the action!
I bent it years ago and have played safe since! Parts are way more expensive now !
Just throwing it out there 8-)

[Shiloh]

Originally, IMR 4895 equivalent was the go to powder for them. Bruce Hodgdon bought up around 25 TONS of it after WWII.
Sold it by the pound for next to nothing and started Hodgdon powder with the enormous profits.

Shiloh

[Bronco72]

I bought bunch of some "surplus" IMR 4895 for $7.95/lb. back in the 80's! Glad I did for I find it a very versatile powder. May not be the best for a particular cartridge but it work pretty well across a wide range of them.
Those were the days my friend!
I forgot to mention that is the powder I use for my M1 and M1A 99.9% of the time !