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36g
04-24-2024, 12:13 AM
I have acquired a few J-Words that I haven't ID'd yet. They are .308 diameter, military, 145 gr., with a maroon colored painted tip. As can be seen in the photo they are a closed based tracer at a minimum. What other properties they may possess is unknown. They do attract a magnet, but so does a standard .30 tracer.

Any ideas?

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M-Tecs
04-24-2024, 12:18 AM
https://kirammo.com/the-ultimate-guide-to-understanding-colored-tips-on-ammunition/

RyanJames170
04-24-2024, 08:26 AM
Tracer by the looks of them, could be a IR tracer and not a visible one perhaps

36g
04-24-2024, 09:29 AM
The color is similar to that used on Soviet/Russian API or APIT ammo but those should be .310-.312" diameter. Perhaps a straight incendiary round?

RyanJames170
04-24-2024, 11:47 AM
The color is similar to that used on Soviet/Russian API or APIT ammo but those should be .310-.312" diameter. Perhaps a straight incendiary round?

It’s a tracer, they call out blue for incendiary rounds, tracers can be orange, red,maroon brown, purple ect, as there is red, green, dim, and IR tracers as far as I know
I seen some of these for sale a while ago on here https://www.cdvs.us/product-category/tracer-ammo/

They currently have purple and orange tipped ones

buyobuyo
04-24-2024, 08:47 PM
I have acquired a few J-Words that I haven't ID'd yet. They are .308 diameter, military, 145 gr., with a maroon colored painted tip. As can be seen in the photo they are a closed based tracer at a minimum. What other properties they may possess is unknown. They do attract a magnet, but so does a standard .30 tracer.

Any ideas?

325975

325976

145gr with a red tip is likely M1, M2, or M2 alternate pulled down from .30-06. I'd guess M2 alternate since you said they're magnetic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.30-06_Springfield#United_States

36g
04-24-2024, 10:04 PM
145gr with a red tip is likely M1, M2, or M2 alternate pulled down from .30-06. I'd guess M2 alternate since you said they're magnetic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.30-06_Springfield#United_States

As noted, they have maroon tips, not red. Red tip would have been WWII vintage tracers (later changed to orange post WWII). M2 would be black tip - AP. The maroon appears to be the M62A1 tracers as noted by RyanJames170.

Thanks for everyone's input!

M-Tecs
04-24-2024, 10:55 PM
The Cannelure isn't correct for the M62A1 bullet.

https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/7-62-NATO-M62A1-Tracer/16-729936/

36g
04-25-2024, 12:06 AM
The Cannelure isn't correct for the M62A1 bullet.

https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/7-62-NATO-M62A1-Tracer/16-729936/

Nice catch! Any suggestions?

I'm thinking of sectioning a bullet but am a bit hesitant as I don't want to discover that it has an incendiary element...

RyanJames170
04-25-2024, 08:46 AM
My guess from reading is that maroon is variation allowed on the color red, NATO calls for red not orange for its tracers, http://www.cartrology.com/cartridges/1544 there is example of a German 7.62x51 NATO tracer with a maroon tip