Brass Purchase

[MOshooter]

I'm posting this to get some input

I purchased 200 rounds of 44 mag brass, not here on a different forum.

I found an ad from a long time forum member. He was advertising brass for sale, 44 mag brass and 45 colt brass. So I ordered 200 pieces of 44 magnum brass from him, when it arrived instead of 200 pieces of 44 magnum, I received 58 pieces 44 special and 142 44 magnum brass.

I got in touch with him and his thought was why do you need 44 magnum to shoot paper and varmints?
My thoughts he advertised 44 magnum brass, not 44 special brass. And I purchased 44 magnum brass, not 44 special brass.

So here's the input I'm looking for
Would you stay persistent, but civil on receiving what you ordered? Or would you forget about the shortage of 58 pieces of brass and let it go?

[Barry54]

I’d write it off, but I’d be really really tempted to publicly say what happened on the site where it occurred.

[square butte]

You paid for what you ordered - Not what he thought you should have. He did not do right by you - Stay persistent in having him fulfill your original contract with him

[MOshooter]

I’d write it off, but I’d be really really tempted to publicly say what happened on the site where it occurred.

That's what I don't want to do is, call him out on that forum
I could write about my experience without posting who or what forum it occurred on, I know he would read it and the replies

Thanks for your opinion

[MOshooter]

You paid for what you ordered - Not what he thought you should have. He did not do right by you - Stay persistent in having him fulfill your original contract with him

I agree with you
I had a HVAC business 25 years and always full filled our contracts. I'm sure it was an accident, but I still feel I ordered 44 magnum brass and not 44 special
Thanks for posting your opinion

[45_Colt]

Interesting, you have two choices:

1) Eat it and have no comment. And never order from him again.

2) Make a feedback comment as to 'not as ordered."

Find it surprising that a long time forum member would do that. Must have gotten away with this many times previously. Otherwise he would have just listed it as to what it really was...

45_Colt

[MOshooter]

Interesting, you have two choices:

1) Eat it and have no comment. And never order from him again.

2) Make a feedback comment as to 'not as ordered."

Find it surprising that a long time forum member would do that. Must have gotten away with this many times previously. Otherwise he would have just listed it as to what it really was...

45_Colt

That's about my 2 options
I was surprised as well, being a long time with 25k plus posts on that forum. I believe it's from an indoor range, and he blames his buddy for sorting the brass? ;) haha
I think he's been getting away with wrong brass more than once over on that forum

[Winger Ed.]

I'd want some sort of relief.

Personally, I don't mind paying for what i get. But I insist on getting what I pay for.

[Kestrel4k]

... rummaging through my 38Spl brass to sell as 357Mag ...

[MOshooter]

I'd want some sort of relief.

Personally, I don't mind paying for what i get. But I insist on getting what I pay for.

I agree completely
Thanks for posting

[MOshooter]

... rummaging through my 38Spl brass to sell as 357Mag ...

:) hahaha

[Plate plinker]

Interesting, you have two choices:

1) Eat it and have no comment. And never order from him again.

2) Make a feedback comment as to 'not as ordered."

Find it surprising that a long time forum member would do that. Must have gotten away with this many times previously. Otherwise he would have just listed it as to what it really was...

45_Colt

#3 choice tell him you require the brass you ordered, if he does not make it right call him out. It is your duty to help other people from this guys dishonesty. IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. Silence perpetuates the problem.

[MOshooter]

He finally got back in touch and said he will send me 67 pieces of 44 magnum brass, I told him I just want the 58 I purchased.

Then he asked me if I would ship his 44 special back to him, or some other forum member? I told him I would ship the 44 special brass back to him, and he can send it to whoever he wants.
I don't feel like I should be paying shipping again?

[MOshooter]

#3 choice tell him you require the brass you ordered, if he does not make it right call him out. It is your duty to help other people from this guys dishonesty. IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. Silence perpetuates the problem.

I like #3 choice
And you're right, as a member to a forum. If there's a problem it should be brought up. I'm hoping he makes good, I wouldn't want to call someone out publicly.
Thanks for posting your insight

[Nines&Twos]

He finally got back in touch and said he will send me 67 pieces of 44 magnum brass, I told him I just want the 58 I purchased.

Then he asked me if I would ship his 44 special back to him, or some other forum member? I told him I would ship the 44 special brass back to him, and he can send it to whoever he wants.
I don't feel like I should be paying shipping again?


Too bad you don't have 58 pcs of 44 Russian to send him....He don't need that longer brass just to shoot paper and varmints.

[skeettx]

If you like

Send me the 44 Special brass and I will send you 44 Mag brass

Problem solved

Mike

[greybuff]

I would contact the forum moderators and let them know as no matter how you slice it, he CHEATED you!

[MOshooter]

Too bad you don't have 58 pcs of 44 Russian to send him....He don't need that longer brass just to shoot paper and varmints.

:) hahaha Good one!
He finally messaged me back, we chatted and he agreed to send me 58 44 magnum cases, so even though I already paid to have it shipped here, I'm going to step up and pay shipping for the 58 44 specials shipped back to him.

I've never shot a 44 special case in my 629 that I bought new about 36 years ago. The way I look at it if I want 44 special performance, I can reduce load my 44 magnum loads.

Thanks for the laugh :)

[MOshooter]

If you like

Send me the 44 Special brass and I will send you 44 Mag brass

Problem solved

Mike

Thanks for the offer, he finally messaged me back and I'm going to send them back to him. I have them sized, decapped, and wet tumbled, they look brand new inside and out

[MOshooter]

I would contact the forum moderators and let them know as no matter how you slice it, he CHEATED you!

greybuff thanks for the reply, and that sounds like a better idea getting a hold of a moderator. Fortunately he finally got back in touch with me this evening, I'm kind of wondering if he may also be on this forum under a different handle?

Thanks again

[Murphy]

You paid your money, you should get what you paid for. Also, you more than likely have the private messages saved and can prove he's admitted he did not keep his end of the agreement. I would take it up with the moderator of the site and hope for a good outcome. If the moderator can't help, get permission to out the guy and do it.

Murphy

[35 Rem]

That's pretty crummy to claim it's all 44 Mag then try to cover his deception by saying that you don't NEED 44 Mag and that 44 Special will work just as well. That takes a lot of nerve if you ask me. I'd persist in getting something done about that. No telling who else he's done it to and maybe since he's a bigshot on the forum nobody has the nerve to call him out on it.

[35 Rem]

greybuff thanks for the reply, and that sounds like a better idea getting a hold of a moderator. Fortunately he finally got back in touch with me this evening, I'm kind of wondering if he may also be on this forum under a different handle?

Thanks again

That is a possibility. Maybe he's not too bad of a fella and just needed a prod to his conscience. :)

[cwtebay]

I'm posting this to get some input

I purchased 200 rounds of 44 mag brass, not here on a different forum.

I found an ad from a long time forum member. He was advertising brass for sale, 44 mag brass and 45 colt brass. So I ordered 200 pieces of 44 magnum brass from him, when it arrived instead of 200 pieces of 44 magnum, I received 58 pieces 44 special and 142 44 magnum brass.

I got in touch with him and his thought was why do you need 44 magnum to shoot paper and varmints?
My thoughts he advertised 44 magnum brass, not 44 special brass. And I purchased 44 magnum brass, not 44 special brass.

So here's the input I'm looking for
Would you stay persistent, but civil on receiving what you ordered? Or would you forget about the shortage of 58 pieces of brass and let it go?Guess I would propose paying a quarter of that bill in Canadian dollars! Surely he's going to spend it on frivolous means anyway!

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[fatelk]

Glad it worked out. If it were me though, and I made a mistake, I would do my best to make the buyer completely whole, and that includes covering shipping both ways. Integrity is worth more than a few dollars shipping.

[Plate plinker]

Glad it worked out. If it were me though, and I made a mistake, I would do my best to make the buyer completely whole, and that includes covering shipping both ways. Integrity is worth more than a few dollars shipping.

Exactly. Never compromise your integrity.

[square butte]

One of the main reasons i hang around this place is because so many of us share the same old school ethics and values about what it is to be a good man in this world. Heck, most of us grew up with WWII vets as role models. I find these values to be less and less common in the generations behind us - Although i am pleasantly surprised from time to time.

[Pereira]

Too bad you don't have 58 pcs of 44 Russian to send him....He don't need that longer brass just to shoot paper and varmints.

[smilie=l:

RP

[Pereira]

One of the main reasons i hang around this place is because so many of us share the same old school ethics and values about what it is to be a good man in this world. Heck, most of us grew up with WWII vets as role models. I find these values to be less and less common in the generations behind us - Although i am pleasantly surprised from time to time.

Very well said. My father was a WWII and Korean War vet.
And yes, I'm surprised from time to time, but surely not to often.

MO, glad that he's making it right.
That truly "should" have been his first reply though.

RP

[JRD]

Gents,
I've cleaned out a good portion of my excess brass hoard over the winter on our swapping and selling forum. I've had some great interactions with other members and have really enjoyed the process. Cast Boolits is indeed classy with some great members. I suspect if I were meeting some of the members I've dealt with in person that I'd have new friends.
My point as it relates to this discussion however is that, I believe best practice as a seller is to make darn sure you are delivering what you advertise. I've personally counted out tens of thousands of cases to make sure the quantities were right, culled cracked and dented cases, picked the odd 357 out of 38's, and then always thrown in a few extra pieces as insurance in case I missed culling a bad case.

To deliver something other than what you advertise, and then not immediately make right your mistake would not make for happy customers in my eyes.

[ddeck22]

If you have to ship it back, use Pirate Ship to get commercial pricing. It's easy to setup an account and you'll save 50%+

[35 Rem]

Gents,
I've cleaned out a good portion of my excess brass hoard over the winter on our swapping and selling forum. I've had some great interactions with other members and have really enjoyed the process. Cast Boolits is indeed classy with some great members. I suspect if I were meeting some of the members I've dealt with in person that I'd have new friends.
My point as it relates to this discussion however is that, I believe best practice as a seller is to make darn sure you are delivering what you advertise. I've personally counted out tens of thousands of cases to make sure the quantities were right, culled cracked and dented cases, picked the odd 357 out of 38's, and then always thrown in a few extra pieces as insurance in case I missed culling a bad case.

To deliver something other than what you advertise, and then not immediately make right your mistake would not make for happy customers in my eyes.

I can personally vouch for JRD! He is a good guy who will do you right on a transaction. He's fast and honest. Packaging done right too. He's such a good guy to do business with in fact that I kept going back. :)

[RickinTN]

Ultimately it's your decision on what to do. My opinion...He should ship to you what he represented and what you bought, not what he thinks you need. What he thinks you need is irrelevant. I have a hard time understanding some people....My reputation is worth far more than a few pieces of brass. As a matter of fact I don't think I could put a price on it.
Good Luck to you,
Rick

[MOshooter]

You paid your money, you should get what you paid for. Also, you more than likely have the private messages saved and can prove he's admitted he did not keep his end of the agreement. I would take it up with the moderator of the site and hope for a good outcome. If the moderator can't help, get permission to out the guy and do it.

Murphy

Murphy,
Thanks for the ideas and suggestions. Fortunately he made contact with me in messaging, I think we have it worked out

Thanks again

[MOshooter]

That's pretty crummy to claim it's all 44 Mag then try to cover his deception by saying that you don't NEED 44 Mag and that 44 Special will work just as well. That takes a lot of nerve if you ask me. I'd persist in getting something done about that. No telling who else he's done it to and maybe since he's a bigshot on the forum nobody has the nerve to call him out on it.

35 Rem,
That's kind of what I thought, passing the blame onto his buddy. Then telling me I really don't need 44 magnum brass??? I shoot 44 magnums, not 44 specials.

Fortunately we've been in touch, and have it worked out :)
I'm going to send his 44 special back, he's sending me 44 magnum brass

Thanks for your in put, and reaffirming to stay persistent

[MOshooter]

Glad it worked out. If it were me though, and I made a mistake, I would do my best to make the buyer completely whole, and that includes covering shipping both ways. Integrity is worth more than a few dollars shipping.

Thanks for posting your view, and I agree integrity is worth way more than a couple of bucks
Thanks again

[MOshooter]

Exactly. Never compromise your integrity.

100% I agree, if you have no integrity, what do you have?

[maxreloader]

#3 choice tell him you require the brass you ordered, if he does not make it right call him out. It is your duty to help other people from this guys dishonesty. IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. Silence perpetuates the problem.


Agree 100%. Don't be silent, it's a problem everywhere and it helps nobody.

[MOshooter]

One of the main reasons i hang around this place is because so many of us share the same old school ethics and values about what it is to be a good man in this world. Heck, most of us grew up with WWII vets as role models. I find these values to be less and less common in the generations behind us - Although i am pleasantly surprised from time to time.

square butte,
This seems like an excellent forum.
It's sad to see how our country to be in such a struggle with social values these past years

[MOshooter]

Very well said. My father was a WWII and Korean War vet.
And yes, I'm surprised from time to time, but surely not to often.

MO, glad that he's making it right.
That truly "should" have been his first reply though.

RP

Pereira,Thanks
I'm glad we have it worked out, and still on a friendly outlook
I agree he should've of fixed it the first message, and not leave me hanging on no replies or updates

[MOshooter]

Gents,
I've cleaned out a good portion of my excess brass hoard over the winter on our swapping and selling forum. I've had some great interactions with other members and have really enjoyed the process. Cast Boolits is indeed classy with some great members. I suspect if I were meeting some of the members I've dealt with in person that I'd have new friends.
My point as it relates to this discussion however is that, I believe best practice as a seller is to make darn sure you are delivering what you advertise. I've personally counted out tens of thousands of cases to make sure the quantities were right, culled cracked and dented cases, picked the odd 357 out of 38's, and then always thrown in a few extra pieces as insurance in case I missed culling a bad case.

To deliver something other than what you advertise, and then not immediately make right your mistake would not make for happy customers in my eyes.

Thanks for bringing up the swapping and selling section here, I haven't been there yet. I also would like to find some 300 savage :)
Thanks again

[MOshooter]

If you have to ship it back, use Pirate Ship to get commercial pricing. It's easy to setup an account and you'll save 50%+

Thanks for the information, it's always nice to save on shipping

[MOshooter]

Ultimately it's your decision on what to do. My opinion...He should ship to you what he represented and what you bought, not what he thinks you need. What he thinks you need is irrelevant. I have a hard time understanding some people....My reputation is worth far more than a few pieces of brass. As a matter of fact I don't think I could put a price on it.
Good Luck to you,
Rick

Rick,Thanks I completely agree.
He wanted to ship extra 44 magnum cases and I told him that I just wanted what I paid for
I agree my word and reputation is worth way more than a couple bucks
Thanks again
Kevin

[Murphy]

Back in 2009, a guy joined Castboolits and proceeded to do bad business. He came to regret that. Before it was said and done, his neighbor knew about it, his mother in law got calls, and his boss at work came to him with why am I getting calls about you from strangers? He got busy straightening out his mess and then was gone. Information in the internet was much easier to get back then. Here's the saga of Bhula and if I get this link posted and you care to read it.

Murphy

https://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?55703-DEADBEAT-bhlua&highlight=bhula

[WILCO]

Gather up your documentation and notify the postal inspector.
Failing that, eat it and never order again.

[fiberoptik]

square butte,
This seems like an excellent forum.
It's sad to see how our country to be in such a struggle with social values these past years

Welcome to Amerika![emoji635]

[Half Dog]

I bought some shotgun hulls once and they weren’t what was advertised. I called the seller, he got the hulls from a Boy Scout troop that collected hulls as a fund raiser. We split the price of the hulls.
Look for a win-win.

[MOshooter]

Back in 2009, a guy joined Castboolits and proceeded to do bad business. He came to regret that. Before it was said and done, his neighbor knew about it, his mother in law got calls, and his boss at work came to him with why am I getting calls about you from strangers? He got busy straightening out his mess and then was gone. Information in the internet was much easier to get back then. Here's the saga of Bhula and if I get this link posted and you care to read it.

Murphy

https://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?55703-DEADBEAT-bhlua&highlight=bhula

:p Got what he deserved

[MOshooter]

Gather up your documentation and notify the postal inspector.
Failing that, eat it and never order again.

WILCO, Thanks for the ideas
We worked it out, I'm going to get what I purchased

[MOshooter]

I bought some shotgun hulls once and they weren’t what was advertised. I called the seller, he got the hulls from a Boy Scout troop that collected hulls as a fund raiser. We split the price of the hulls.
Look for a win-win.

Things can inadvertently happen, sounds like half the price of the hulls went to a good cause.

I agree, Look for a win-win
So I'm shipping back his 44 specials at my cost, and he's sending me 58- 44 mag. cases. I really shouldn't ship on my dime, but I'm trying to show some integrity in working together through a problem.
And we both fell like a win-win

[fatelk]

Now that I think about it, I had a slightly similar issue here a couple years ago. I bought a 1911 barrel off of Swappin and Sellin. I paid and he shipped the barrel promptly. When I pulled it out of the box, I could see a problem. The chamber was .45 size, but the hole in the end of the barrel was 9mm size. It was some custom barrel for a wildcat round. I let him know, and he said I could ship it back for a refund, which I did. He promptly sent me a refund of what I paid, but didn't offer to cover my return shipping. I saw that he sold it again quickly, I think for more as I recall.

The mistake was completely on his end, but I ended up with nothing but hassle and shipping expense. I just let it go, wasn't worth worrying about, but on the other hand, I would never do business with him again either. No hard feelings really, just left a bad taste in my mouth.

It's just one of those things. A few dollars really isn't worth fussing about either way. I think sometimes sellers (and buyers) get wrapped up in the numbers: "If I pay shipping both ways, that cuts into my profit too much." It's not really the money that concerns them- they spend more than that on their morning coffee, it's the numbers. Say they have $30 into some item; they can't let it go for less than that or it's a loss, and that would really bother them. I used to think that way to a degree, until one day I realized how foolish it was.

[Texas by God]

Murphy, thanks for that entertaining link![emoji106]


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[SSGOldfart]

I would contact the forum moderators and let them know as no matter how you slice it, he CHEATED you!

yep he scammed you Stay within the rules on that forum let the Mods give you advice on how they would handle it. you paid for it he owes you a refund or more of the right brass.

[Thin Man]

Many years ago a fellow I respected for his wisdom spoke to me about how to value other people. His words were: "You can measure the worth of a man by two standards. The first is how he keeps his word. The second is how he pays his debts." Then he continued on the second standard by adding that debts do not always involve money. I have used these words for many years and they always return to me like a long-lost friend. Good words to live by.

[barnabus]

He finally got back in touch and said he will send me 67 pieces of 44 magnum brass, I told him I just want the 58 I purchased.

Then he asked me if I would ship his 44 special back to him, or some other forum member? I told him I would ship the 44 special brass back to him, and he can send it to whoever he wants.
I don't feel like I should be paying shipping again?

aint no way id pay shipping due to his mistake back to him.He is just being a jerk

[WILCO]

WILCO, Thanks for the ideas
We worked it out, I'm going to get what I purchased

Dude!!! That's great!!!

[deltaenterprizes]

I understand that you don’t want to shoot 44 Special brass out of your 44 Mag but it is no different than shooting 38s in a 357.
44 Special is less available now than it was in the early 80s when I got my first 44 Mag.
Special brass goes quickly on this forum and one member here didn’t offer a trade.
I am waiting for some Special brass for my S&W 696 in 44 Special, I can’t use Mag brass in it.
I agree that he should make it right, I had a similar situation and I worked it out with the member here and made him happy.
Glad you are getting what you want and paid for but it sucks that you have to pay for the shipping back to him.
Please keep us updated as to what happens!

[Brassmonkey]

Sounds like you got Wenzeled, That term came from a punk kid that was selling a new ring and pinion for a truck only it wasn’t new it was like new and then he changed his price after he agreed to sell it and then he wanted extra money for shipping thinking that his presence on the Internet was anonymous.

Me He got schooled by some stand by your word pirates.

I would move on after publicly shaming the seller.

[Shawlerbrook]

I assume he didn’t know what he was grabbing and didn’t intentionally send you special instead of magnum. That said, he should have owned up to the mistake and asked you what you wanted to make it good. If you cannot work something out, I would probably let it go and put him on my deadbeat list.

[Barry54]

Hanlon’s razor is the adage that you should “never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity”. Applied broadly, this principle suggests that when assessing people’s actions, you should not assume that they acted out of a desire to cause harm, as long as there is a reasonable alternative explanation.

[stubshaft]

If the seller does not send you the missing pieces of brass, he/she should at least offer to refund you a portion of the price paid!

[cwtebay]

Hanlon’s razor is the adage that you should “never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity”. Applied broadly, this principle suggests that when assessing people’s actions, you should not assume that they acted out of a desire to cause harm, as long as there is a reasonable alternative explanation.This is an excellent comment.


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