Drones

[abunaitoo]

So I was thinking about getting a drone.
Looks kind of fun.
I don't have one of the stupid making phones, just an old flip phone.
It does what I want it to do.......make phone calls only!!!!
Found some drones what a screen on the controls, but they seem to be kind of expensive.
Anyone play with these things????
Know of cheaper "stand alone" drones???

[Outer Rondacker]

I built all my own years ago. All open pilot. None use a phone. No good ones use a phone.

[Big Tom]

It is not fun anymore - the government put so many, as usual, completely idiotic rules on that hobby, that it is expensive, almost more regulated than flying a single engine aircraft and they make you jump through hoops to get a drone compliant with their nonsense. If you get a drone, stay under the 0.55 lbs total weight that they set for registration, license requirement and many technical requirements that make the drone very expensive to get.
It is another prime example of our government overreaching and limiting things without a real legal base - just because there is nobody going to sue the sh... out of them like we do with their infringements of the 2A...

[Winger Ed.]

I've got one that you can put a phone on and see what it sees.
But I don't have a phone to put on the control pad.

It does record on a little SD card to watch later though.
Like a RC model airplane, it's fun to play around with, but ya need to keep it in sight.

[Tripplebeards]

I think they’re awesome and I want one, but I’ve been watching the videos on YouTube of the guy from Drone deer recovery getting hammered (fined and sued) by certain states and they’re outlining them for tracking down wounded deer. I figured it’s a great idea… but I guess if you find a deer that’s wounded and you go after it it’s like using it for hunting purposes so I understand there is a massive “gray area” on the subject versus finding a dead deer.

[Markopolo]

Hello, my name is Marko, and I am a drone aholic. I believe I have at least 10 of multi manufactures… I believe there is a 12 step program for me somewhere..

That being said, PM me, and I will answer all your questions. I just love my DJI mini 3 pro with all in one controller. I have modified it to allow me to fly Miles away. It is a tool for me.

Marko

[Wayne Smith]

It is not fun anymore - the government put so many, as usual, completely idiotic rules on that hobby, that it is expensive, almost more regulated than flying a single engine aircraft and they make you jump through hoops to get a drone compliant with their nonsense. If you get a drone, stay under the 0.55 lbs total weight that they set for registration, license requirement and many technical requirements that make the drone very expensive to get.
It is another prime example of our government overreaching and limiting things without a real legal base - just because there is nobody going to sue the sh... out of them like we do with their infringements of the 2A...
Many of those 'idiotic rules' have to do with controlling airspace. It is one thing to fly one in Wyoming, it is another to fly one in the DC suburbs. Most of those idiotic rules are a result of idiots flying drones in controlled airspace. Like in an airport landing pattern, for instance.

[Winger Ed.]

. Most of those idiotic rules are a result of idiots flying drones in controlled airspace. Like in an airport landing pattern, for instance.

There was some articles awhile back about prosecutions on perverts using them to spy on people
through multi-story apartment windows and taking 'naughty' pictures.

[Finster101]

Many of those 'idiotic rules' have to do with controlling airspace. It is one thing to fly one in Wyoming, it is another to fly one in the DC suburbs. Most of those idiotic rules are a result of idiots flying drones in controlled airspace. Like in an airport landing pattern, for instance.

You have to add in the idiots that like to try a catch a glimpse of things they should not and invade others privacy. I'm not for a lot of rules and regs but if you are going to tell me I can't shoot one down hovering 50 feet above my barn then you better make it where it has to stay away from my barn.

[country gent]

Ive caught them around my house garage and cars. Not just around but with in feet of windows and doors. 3 different occasions......

[deces]

Get a DJI MAVIC, it's what the Russians are using in ukraine.

[country gent]

Now one that could carry a couple pounds would be interesting Drop a water balloon on my son or grandson when hes mowing the lawn.......

[Hannibal]

I'd like to have one just to scope out unfamiliar public land areas instead of spending hours or days afoot.

Not interested in using it for locating any game animals, just to gather terrain and tree/ground cover information. I suppose I'd better contact my state conservation department before I try it though. Not interested in getting afoul of the law.

[Winger Ed.]

Not interested in using it for locating any game animals, just to gather terrain and tree/ground cover information. I suppose I'd better contact my state conservation department before I try it though. Not interested in getting afoul of the law.

Couldn't hurt.
Not too many years ago I knew a fella that got a big fat ticket for spotlighting along a state hi-way.
He didn't even have a gun in the car either. He said he was checking out the area where he had a lease
to see if it was worthwhile to come back and hunt in the day time.

It was a deal where he beat the rap, but not the ride.

[blackthorn]

We have had several instances where some idiot was flying one in an area that was burning and this prevented the water bombers from flying to drop water on the fire. Legal or not, if my property is at risk, it is 12 gauge time!

[Big Tom]

Well, you would be surprised, but the "idiotic rules" actually protect flying over other people's properties. They give the drones the same protection as an airplane. Unless you live in a state that has specific regulations for drones, there is nothing illegal about taking pictures or videos of people on their property / in their houses. Here's an overview (https://www.findlaw.com/consumer/consumer-transactions/drone-laws-by-state.html#:~:text=Civil%20Code%20Section%201708.8 %3A%20Prohibits,of%20between%20%245%2C000%20and%20 %2450%2C000.)of current state wide regulations. I think that there was a discussion around this before - feel free to shoot down drones over your land, but make sure they don't catch you...

The "idiotic rules" I was referring to is for example that you cannot take pictures of your house or car from the drone and use these pictures for example in an advertisement to sell the car/house... or that you need to get a drone pilot license if your drone is above the 0.55 lbs weight... or that you now need a remote ID module that broadcasts location when in flight (without that, you are only allowed to fly in FAA pre-approved space, not even in your backyard... or the point that even the smallest drones / toys need to be registered with the FAA.

Bottom line is that yes, drones are cool, and it is possible (but pricey) to fulfill al legal requirements, but the times where you could get one and simply fly it (legally) are over....


You have to add in the idiots that like to try a catch a glimpse of things they should not and invade others privacy. I'm not for a lot of rules and regs but if you are going to tell me I can't shoot one down hovering 50 feet above my barn then you better make it where it has to stay away from my barn.

[Finster101]

"Unless you live in a state that has specific regulations for drones, there is nothing illegal about taking pictures or videos of people on their property / in their houses. "

So, you are saying my expectation of privacy in my home no longer exist? Your sentence seems to say as much. This kind of attitude is why I have grown to hate the damn things.

[country gent]

I dont believe that protection allows them to break other laws, In ohio homeowners property lines go to 400' up. A drivers license gives you the right to be on the roasd not speed, be reckless, or use private drives trails or drive thru yards and fields.

[Hannibal]

You can't legally look in someone's windows so I'm pretty sure video or photographs from a drone wouldn't be legal, either.

[rancher1913]

You can't legally look in someone's windows so I'm pretty sure video or photographs from a drone wouldn't be legal, either.

completely false, anything that can be viewed from public property can be recorded and somebody could be sitting in their car on the street with a zoom lens and see what your doing on your dining room table if the circumstances are there. if you live on a hill, miles from a road then its a lot harder to do. drones can be good or bad just like a gun, depends on who is handling them.

[waksupi]

I've considered getting one. This is a video a friend did of our home town.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGrIc48-MUA

[Der Gebirgsjager]

Beautiful place to live, Waaksupi.

DG

[MaryB]

For private use the requirements are minimal, fill out the registration form and pay the fee... for commercial use? Get red for red tape from hades!

[Hannibal]

completely false, anything that can be viewed from public property can be recorded and somebody could be sitting in their car on the street with a zoom lens and see what your doing on your dining room table if the circumstances are there. if you live on a hill, miles from a road then its a lot harder to do. drones can be good or bad just like a gun, depends on who is handling them.

So if someone is looking into a private residence through a window using whatever device they choose including a drone or binoculars that's perfectly legal? I find that hard difficult to believe but perhaps I am wrong?

[rancher1913]

do a google search for "frauditors" they are people who mostly film police and into their buildings and cars, police can not do anything about it as long as the person is on public property which a parking lot of a police station is, same rules for the general public, if you dont want somebody seeing in your home you have to use curtains. now a drone thats over your property and looking in your windows is not the same and you could make a case for trespassing or voyeurism, but if the drone is on the street just high up and looking in your 3rd floor windows they are legal

[Hannibal]

do a google search for "frauditors" they are people who mostly film police and into their buildings and cars, police can not do anything about it as long as the person is on public property which a parking lot of a police station is, same rules for the general public, if you dont want somebody seeing in your home you have to use curtains. now a drone thats over your property and looking in your windows is not the same and you could make a case for trespassing or voyeurism, but if the drone is on the street just high up and looking in your 3rd floor windows they are legal

Ok, I see where I misunderstood. It's the difference between public and private property. Thank you.

[Iron369]

I have a dji mini. I sync it with an iPad but it’s kinda the same as using it on a phone. It’s pretty awesome. Just some pictures of stuff around here. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240128/3f5f07cb0d853048e48ae51376251df2.jpg
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[Hannibal]

I have a dji mini. I sync it with an iPad but it’s kinda the same as using it on a phone. It’s pretty awesome. Just some pictures of stuff around here. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240128/3f5f07cb0d853048e48ae51376251df2.jpg
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Nice! I always enjoyed the perspective obtained from a drone. You just can't get there any other way by reasonable means.

[Big Tom]

It has nothing to do with attitude - it is just a simple fact that the drones are using public airspace, just like a helicopter or Cessna flying over people's properties and there is per law (in most states) no expectation of privacy from what these vehicles can see/take pictures of. I did not say that I think it is right, nor do I do it, even though I legally could... Feel free to try to shoot the messenger, but that would not change the facts ;-)


"Unless you live in a state that has specific regulations for drones, there is nothing illegal about taking pictures or videos of people on their property / in their houses. "

So, you are saying my expectation of privacy in my home no longer exist? Your sentence seems to say as much. This kind of attitude is why I have grown to hate the damn things.

[Big Tom]

Where did you get that from? As long as you are on public property, you can look at whatever you like and take pictures of whatever you like. The airspace the drones are allowed to fly in are considered "public", same as the public road or walkway - at least from the FAA point of view... states may have more restrictive definitions to protect privacy, but most states don't.


You can't legally look in someone's windows so I'm pretty sure video or photographs from a drone wouldn't be legal, either.

[challenger_i]

Perhaps this will be of use to clear up some confusion:

https://knowbeforeyoufly.org/knowbeforeyoufly/get-started/recreational

[.429&H110]

Over on utube the Ukes drop 16 pound land mines. That is a lot of boom.
They seem to have a lot of land mines.
Or fly a RPG they have lots of those, too.
I would only hope the idea doesn't spread.

Other utube idea was a mothership, a big drone carrying little drones for miles beyond their range.
Mothership makes a RC repeater, eye in the sky.
Last year the Rus set up an anti-drone battery.
A drone blew it up.
The world has changed, and not for the better.

[15meter]

Several years ago when drones first appeared, a dude attached a 1911 to the bottom of the drone with a solenoid operated trigger and videoed it flying around and banging away with the 1911. He posted the video. Not sure it was legal, but it was cool, if not scary as it could be.

Just glad he's not my neighbor. If I recall, his accuracy was abysmal. More spray and pray kind of shooting.

[Hannibal]

Several years ago when drones first appeared, a dude attached a 1911 to the bottom of the drone with a solenoid operated trigger and videoed it flying around and banging away with the 1911. He posted the video. Not sure it was legal, but it was cool, if not scary as it could be.

Just glad he's not my neighbor. If I recall, his accuracy was abysmal. More spray and pray kind of shooting.

People post videos of themselves engaging in all manner of illegal activities. Many are now in prison. A place I've never been and plan to avoid.

I tend to watch people, but I see no reason to mimic the behavior of 99% of them.

[Hannibal]

Where did you get that from? As long as you are on public property, you can look at whatever you like and take pictures of whatever you like. The airspace the drones are allowed to fly in are considered "public", same as the public road or walkway - at least from the FAA point of view... states may have more restrictive definitions to protect privacy, but most states don't.

I prefer to err on the side of caution. Obviously you are free to do whatever you want.

[tomj44]

These guys have some free drone courses if you want to learn more. https://pilotinstitute.com/courses/drones/

[abunaitoo]

I've read that these new ones are really easy to fly.
All computer controlled.
I've played with those cheap toy flying machines.
Not as easy as it looks.

[Markopolo]

I'd like to have one just to scope out unfamiliar public land areas instead of spending hours or days afoot.

Not interested in using it for locating any game animals, just to gather terrain and tree/ground cover information. I suppose I'd better contact my state conservation department before I try it though. Not interested in getting afoul of the law.

That is why they are in my tool box all the time.

[Scorpion8]

I just picked up a used DJI Mini-II around the holidays because they look like a lot of fun. My house is inside the airport controlled area, so am waiting to take it out-the-road to fly it.

That said, years ago I downed a drone in my backyard that was moving from window-to-window of my house when drones were the rage and rules were lax. A great ex-CMP .177 air rifle is a handy tool. The kid flying it sheepishly came to get it and claimed that I had broken it, and I asked him to prove how since it fell in my yard. He said the video would show, except the SD card somehow went missing before he picked it up. A truly sad tale....

[Markopolo]

Every time somebody says the word “drone” we get all the same crud… heard it all many times… Now back to the OP’s original questions and reasons….

Take a peek…


https://youtu.be/HyPYthdFhuc?feature=shared
A deer hunting area.


https://youtu.be/Tz3T-LdKDtM?feature=shared
A trapping area…

This is a good tool.. here you go OP.

[firefly1957]

There was a past post and I was told a smart pad could be used with many drones honestly I would prefer to use laptop for better viewing.

Here in MICHIGAN the issue of them came up and what one of our representatives said was if a drone was under 100 feet high or below the highest point on your land it was trespassing . For which you could take appropriate action and the drone owner is supposed to have the legal jeopardy .
Trouble is it is really hard to get trespassers ticketed here and our courts would rather mess with the law abiding then the criminal!