PPC Revolvers

[YoungGun88]

Hey all,

So while I'm not a "new shooter", the way I see my shooting has changed. Less is more, make more shots count. Smaller groups.
While at the indoor range the other night, dialing in some ladder loads to settle upon a charge for my gun, a guy I've gotten to know comes in. He typically shoots 1911's and some 22 pistols, which have been setup for 25yd competition slow fire shooting. He no longer competes, but likes the slower pace with it.
Anyhow, I'm rambling(something I can do a lot!)... He pulls out not just one, but TWO highly customized S&W revolvers. Big ol bull barrels on em. It tickled my fancy, so I meandered down the line and asked him about them. One was customized by Bill Davis, and the other by Alan Tanaka.
He used to compete in PPC matches(a sport I've recently been introduced to thanks to YouTube), and I'm a bit taken back by the pistols themselves.

I didn't get to shoot either of the pistols, but figured I'd ask about this type of setup, and those of you who might have experience with it, your thoughts.

cheers,
Dan

[45DUDE]

Everyone I shoot with has at least one. We got too old to shoot them. I have one and don't shoot it. They are excellent bench guns for testing different ammo even if you don't shoot fast. Some have Douglas barrels with 1x10 twists. If 38 special only I like the K frame style frame and the L frame for 357. My shooting buddy has one with a N frame setup. You don't have to worry about recoil.

[Greg S]

Look on GB. You can find old customized PPC pistols at pretty reasonable prices these days. I pushed an auction one Sunday morning and picked up a quasi 686 framed gun with a red dot tube sight. This is a perfect set up for my aging eyes.

[NSB]

I had two Bill Davis guns at one time. One was a Ruger SS .357 and the other was a SW model 27. Both guns would shoot around 1” ten shots full power .357mag loads. I shot a lot of deer with those guns. When I was shooting three gun matches my race gun was back getting some work done and I used my Ruger SS in its place. Even shooting it double action and only able to shoot six shots between reloads, I cleaned the event twice and missed one plate the third time before getting my auto back. Great guns.[ATTACH=CONFIG]321638[/ATTACH

[YoungGun88]

Being in California, that somewhat "limits" my options, if paper is required for a transaction. According to Alan Tanaka's website, he is local to me. Perhaps I'll give him a call. It's interesting, because like many other hobbies I have had/still have during my adult life(being 35 at present), I've always found out about certain things a bit later than their heyday. It's ok, I still like shooting film, still like darkroom printing, still like shooting old guns, and now I'm learning to cast my own. But with the power of the internet, it lets me learn even faster than I could have "back in the day" ;-)

-Dan

[fecmech]

A plain old K38 is more than adequate to compete in PPC. I simply added a much higher front sight to be able to "6 O'clock" the head on the silhouette and have the shots fall in the 10 ring. The stock K frames had excellent DA triggers

[garandsrus]

Most PPC guns are heavily modified and very accurate. Almost all of the shooting is double action only so many of the guns have the hammer bobbed so they only shoot double action. The trigger pulls are very light and smooth. The guns are heavy and the loads light so minimal recoil.

[rintinglen]

I got a Bill Davis Model 10 back in the day that was the car's meow. I was shooting PPC and had gotten tired of taking my Python in to be retimed. A Sheriff's Deputy of my acquaintance had just had his third child and was getting out of the game and had the afore mentioned model 10 for sale. 6 inch, bull barrel, a Bomar rib, bobbed hammer, a superb DA trigger pull, my scores went up. That was the most accurate revolver I have ever owned. Sadly, my own family's needs came first and I had to drop out as well and sell my wonder pistol to help with household expenses, but I really enjoyed it while I had it. You'll be very hard pressed to find a revolver as accurate.

A stock K-38 would not keep you in the running if you were shooting against the likes of John Pride and the rest of the LAPD Pistol team. Those guys were good.

[Forrest r]

I/ve owned/shoot a Schneider custom for a couple decades now. It's built with a s&w model 10 frame & a douglas bbl that has a 1 in 11 twist/.353 bore. This revolver has a fantastic trigger.
https://i.imgur.com/awPGBBb.jpg

Had the triggers worked on these 3 dan wesson model 15's/357mags. Put heavy aftermarket bbl shrouds on them. Along with 1 in 10 twist bbl's and muzzle breaks. They got a diet of 170gr/max loads in 357 mag cases for bowling pins, steel and range play.
https://i.imgur.com/lwCejE1.jpg

s&w sells an excellent "tuned" revolver.
https://www.smith-wesson.com/product/l-frame-170319

Did some horse trading and picked several years ago when they were $1200. The trigger in these rivals that Schneider custom. The full scope mount rail on the top of the bbl shroud doesn't interfere with the iron sights. It's caveman simple to install a scope & being long the shooter has multiple choice on where to mount the scope or reddot. This aids in setting the revolver up for a comfortable hold/eye relief combo. Moving the optics around can affect the revolvers balance. It has adjustable/removable weights that are designed to tune the revolver to the shooters needs for point ability & shot recovery. They also aid in counterbalancing the weight of the optics.
https://i.imgur.com/im4jQKD.jpg

It's a pure joy to own an accurized tuned action revolver. Of the 4 of those revolvers pictured above I'd choose the box stock 586 competitor over the other 3. The combination of the smooth action, built in rail, adjustable weights and accuracy is hard to pass up.

[YoungGun88]

s&w sells an excellent "tuned" revolver.
https://www.smith-wesson.com/product/l-frame-170319

Did some horse trading and picked several years ago when they were $1200. The trigger in these rivals that Schneider custom. The full scope mount rail on the top of the bbl shroud doesn't interfere with the iron sights. It's caveman simple to install a scope & being long the shooter has multiple choice on where to mount the scope or reddot. This aids in setting the revolver up for a comfortable hold/eye relief combo. Moving the optics around can affect the revolvers balance. It has adjustable/removable weights that are designed to tune the revolver to the shooters needs for point ability & shot recovery. They also aid in counterbalancing the weight of the optics.

It's a pure joy to own an accurized tuned action revolver. Of the 4 of those revolvers pictured above I'd choose the box stock 586 competitor over the other 3. The combination of the smooth action, built in rail, adjustable weights and accuracy is hard to pass up.

Well, it looks as if that model IS on the CA-compliant roster. Hmm, I was looking at their "V-Comp" model, which is 8 shots of 357 :shock:
https://www.smith-wesson.com/product/n-frame-170296

I'm going to give Alan Tanaka a call and see if he has any recommendations based on my stated needs/use. It appears he now offers the updated sight rail design from Aristocrat, which have a built-in rail for scope mounting.
I was looking at the S&W V-Comp as a potential option, as it's CA compliant(grrr, our damn "approved" roster, total bs), but would require being special ordered. High demand, according to my LGS who seems to prefer Colt pythons based on what they have in the cases...
https://www.smith-wesson.com/product/n-frame-170296

[Forrest r]

I went with the s&w l-comp
https://www.smith-wesson.com/product/l-frame-170170

https://i.imgur.com/5vi2mrE.jpg

It suits my need as a ccw in the winter.

Nothing better than a comped 357mag and hot loads. I'm using a 170gr/1200fps load in that 2 1/2" bbl'd 586 l-comp.

I owned a python back in the late 80's, didn't take long to send it down the road and bought a s&w 586 and never looked back. When they came out with the "new" pythons I handled/tested a 6" version. Accuracy was nothing to write home about. That python did +/- 2" groups @25yds with several different brands of ammo. Others have tested the pythons and found the same thing. An example:
https://www.gunsandammo.com/editorial/colt-python-review/375565

I'll stick with the s&w 686 competitor. Playing around with the competitor @ 50ft looking for loads that can consistently hit shotgun shells @ 50ft. Not hand/cherry picked targets by any means. Simply 6-shot groups @ 50ft testing loads. Tested 2 bullets and 6 different loads. These were the best 3 out of the 6 loads tested.
https://i.imgur.com/vrmI4za.jpg
Ended up using these 2 (38spl) loads for 50ft competitions.
https://i.imgur.com/2x6ovB4.jpg

Playing around at the 25yds line using 3 different bullets and 2 different loads (5.5gr/6.0gr) of bullseye in mixed 357mag brass.
https://i.imgur.com/9YSO2RC.jpg

Same loads (5.5gr/6.0gr) and 2 different bullets/mixed brass @ the 50yd line.
https://i.imgur.com/CfpwHXk.jpg

That's nothing more than blammo ammo in the 686. When I use quality brass the groups tighten up. But with blammo ammo:
1/2" @ 50ft
1" @ 25yds
2" @ 50yds

Is worth looking into a factory tuned s&w.

[Wild Bill 7]

I have a heavily modified S&W 14-2 heavy barreled and a trigger that’s very light. Very accurate also. I bought it from a deputy who used to compete and had other interest so I got it. Its chambered in 38 special.

[JRD]

This thread strikes me at just the right time. I've never done PPC competition and am unlikely do start. However, I enjoy shooting informal steel at my club and am a big S&W revolver fan. I shoot a lot of 38 wadcutter loads and lately I've developed a hankering for a S&W customized as a PPC revolver just to shoot for fun. I'm thinking a Model 10 or 14 with a custom bull barrel, yoke detent, a Bomar or Aristocrat rib, and a super slicked up action would be really fun to play with.
I've got my eye out for one now...

[corbinace]

This is my photo entry. A Model 10. There is just something about a great DA trigger that tickles me.
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[YoungGun88]

Spoke with Mr. Tanaka this morning, he was very gracious with his time. From what he told me "I might retire before I could get to your build, it's around 3-4yr wait right now"... Well, that sorta put a damper on me getting a gun built to my desires. Money aside, he did offer to let me handle some of his own competition guns he setup for when he shot PPC back in the day. He did mention "it's a dying sport" which I understand. Seems like most of the competitive sports have been bullied into obscurity with tightened budgets, both of law enforcement departments as well as standard civilians. I'm 35, no kids or spouse, yet. Might as well invest into the toys and tools before those things happen, so 3-4yrs might come sooner than one thought, haha.

Anyone with a 686 frame laying around, not getting used [smilie=s:?

[StrawHat]

Here is my Davis Revolver that took me into the winners circle.

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321726

I had been using a S&W Model 15 and doing well enough with it. Toward the end of the summer season one of the better shooters who had been shooting against me, asked if I wanted to use his revolver in the off season. Sure! When spring came around I saw him and he asked what I thought of it. I told him the were two wide spots in the bore but it was about 10 points and 15 X’s better than my Model 15. He said give me $xxx.oo and it is yours! I asked what he was going to use and he said he was retiring. I had to make two payments but it was mine!

Kevin

[Der Gebirgsjager]

I knew Bill Davis personally, and saw many of his modified revolvers on the firing line. He not only beefed up standard revolvers, but came up with the Smolt (cross between a Colt and Smith) and some other hybred revolvers. Still, I myself used a standard S&W Mod. 14 6" with an action job, as did many others, and did well enough not to be ashamed. It started off as the Police Practical Pistol Course, but became less practical as the years passed with competitors trying to gain an edge with new bells and whistles. Seriously, how practical would it be to carry one of those ribbed, bull barreled revolvers on duty for 8-12 hours? Heavy! Then, with the gradual takeover of semi-autos the game changed beyond what the original participants recognized as the PPC. Good memories, though, and I've still got my Mod. 14. :Fire:

DG

[Bigslug]

There's much fun to be had with "as produced" DA revolvers. While a heavy-underlugged GP-100 or Smith 686 may not have the sex appeal of a "built" PPC gun, you can master the same fundamentals with the same type of loads. If you ensure uniformity of cylinder throats and fire-lap out any frame crush, you'll have a platform capable of accuracy that the typical human is not.

The name of the DA revolver game is keeping the sights aligned while pressing the trigger cleanly. There's a lot of satisfaction to be found in developing that to a high level of proficiency using the "stock" combat gun that mainly differs from the full race gun in amount of weight up front and stock springs chosen for functional reliability under all conditions.

Nothing at all wrong with building the sports car - but worth studying how the standard car is "failing" you first.

[Der Gebirgsjager]

That is exactly right.

DG

[YoungGun88]

That’s a nice looking gun, 45Dude!

I stopped in at my local powder supplier last night, Phillips Wholesale. While speaking with the proprietor, he informed me that up until a year or so ago, Aristocrat sights were just a couple doors down from him in the same business park. Small world.

[StrawHat]

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It started off as the Police Practical Pistol Course, but became less practical as the years passed with competitors trying to gain an edge with new bells and whistles. Seriously, how practical would it be to carry one of those ribbed, bull barreled revolvers on duty for 8-12 hours? Heavy! …

DG

DG,

You are correct, I would not willingly carry a full blown race revolver on duty. Nor did I ever see anyone do so. But, the Distinguished Combat Magnum revolver was brought out to win that leg of the competition and it did that well. I used a 6”, Model 686 and also a 4”, Model 686, in competition. I tried to carry the 4” on duty but after a month, went back to the 4”, K frame revolver. But, a lot of LEOs did carry the L frame for whatever perceived benefit.



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The name of the DA revolver game is keeping the sights aligned while pressing the trigger cleanly. There's a lot of satisfaction to be found in developing that to a high level of proficiency using the "stock" combat gun that mainly differs from the full race gun in more weight up front and stock springs chosen for functional reliability under all conditions…

This is spot on! Master double action shooting and never look back.

Kevin

[Der Gebirgsjager]

Thanks--but don't get me wrong. I like the 586/686 revolvers a lot. I've never owned one, but have handled and fired a few rounds through them. Very nice, and certainly no harder to carry and deal with than an "N" frame S&W, which basically they are with a "K" frame grip. I carried a 6" Colt Mk. III .357 for several years, so a little extra weight and length doesn't bother me. Well--it didn't back then over 30 years ago. But the big bull barrels and full length ribs would be a bit different, and in addition to the extra weight a bit clumsy, I think.

Actually, I probably wasn't trying to make much of a point at all......it's just that every shooting game originates with friendly guys shooting stock firearms, whether it be PPC, steel silhouettes, skeet, whatever and gradually gets gadgetized by those seeking an edge over the other competitors/participants. So then you end up with classes and divisions, etc., and it gradually becomes beyond the ability of the ordinary guy to participate, and the nature of the entire thing changes. Another example would be the Cowboy Action game where softball reloads are used that don't mirror the reality of attempting to do the same thing will full house loads which would have been more prevalent in the "Old West." Or, so it seems to me.

Like I said, my experience was lots of years ago and I'm long obsolete and fossilized. This brings to mind a story which I've likely told before, about a friend named Jack F. He was a large man and I met him at the local PPC matches on coastal California. Back then outstanding shooting was still honored and there was a list called "The Governor's 20" that listed the 20 best pistol shots in the state. The guys on the list actually got to meet the Governor and shake his hand, kind of like a sports team today being invited to the White House. Today they aren't invited, probably aren't listed, and wouldn't want to shake the current Governor's hand anyway, but don't forget that Reagan was once Governor. Jack was always near the top of the list. His discipline was PPC and he used a "K" frame S&W that had a standard barrel which was 8 3/4" long. It had a full length shroud or tunnel along the top of the barrel from back sight to front sight, and that was his "edge".

I was always fascinated when watching him shoot the center out of the silhouette target's kill zone alongside another fellow who was also a friend and sort of an understudy of Jack's. It was just one large ragged hole, and was rarely decided by who might have had one flyer outside the center hole, but more often by measuring the size of the hole as there were rarely flyers and perfect scores were commonplace. He practiced 2-3 times a week, and this was made easy by the fact that he owned a reloading company that mainly, but not exclusively, reloaded .38 wadcutter ammo for competitions. He traveled about the state selling large quantities of the ammo to various police departments for their qualification and practice, and there were few PPC competitors that did not use his ammo. His shop was almost fully automated and he had one woman employee who just kept the hoppers filled and bagged the wadcutter reloads, 50 per little plastic bag. That freed him up to travel about selling and competing, and he tried to coordinate both activities. Excellent ammo, and I used it when I could. I still possess one unopened bag.

Well, continuing on, he was also a collector of antique Winchester lever action rifles. Many were rare and in pristine condition. One weekend I ran into him at the San Jose Gun Show and he had a table covered with his old rifles. I stopped to chat and he said, "Buy one of my rifles." I replied, "Jack, I couldn't even afford to pick one of those up and look at it." He responded, "Make me an offer-- you might be surprised." We chatted about some trivial stuff, then I moved on. About a month later his understudy friend told me that he had been suffering from terminal cancer. He had sold the reloading business, all the rifles, turned it into one bank check made out to his wife. He sat down at his desk and pulled the trigger on that same PPC revolver. I've always thought about him now and then, and miss him. He was one of those guys you meet as you travel through life who was exceptional in so many ways--- and a fine pistol shot.

DG

[YoungGun88]

Thanks--but don't get me wrong. I like the 586/686 revolvers a lot. I've never owned one, but have handled and fired a few rounds through them. Very nice, and certainly no harder to carry and deal with than an "N" frame S&W, which basically they are with a "K" frame grip. I carried a 6" Colt Mk. III .357 for several years, so a little extra weight and length doesn't bother me. Well--it didn't back then over 30 years ago. But the big bull barrels and full length ribs would be a bit different, and in addition to the extra weight a bit clumsy, I think.

Actually, I probably wasn't trying to make much of a point at all......it's just that every shooting game originates with friendly guys shooting stock firearms, whether it be PPC, steel silhouettes, skeet, whatever and gradually gets gadgetized by those seeking an edge over the other competitors/participants. So then you end up with classes and divisions, etc., and it gradually becomes beyond the ability of the ordinary guy to participate, and the nature of the entire thing changes. Another example would be the Cowboy Action game where softball reloads are used that don't mirror the reality of attempting to do the same thing will full house loads which would have been more prevalent in the "Old West." Or, so it seems to me.

Like I said, my experience was lots of years ago and I'm long obsolete and fossilized. This brings to mind a story which I've likely told before, about a friend named Jack F. He was a large man and I met him at the local PPC matches on coastal California. Back then outstanding shooting was still honored and there was a list called "The Governor's 20" that listed the 20 best pistol shots in the state. The guys on the list actually got to meet the Governor and shake his hand, kind of like a sports team today being invited to the White House. Today they aren't invited, probably aren't listed, and wouldn't want to shake the current Governor's hand anyway, but don't forget that Reagan was once Governor. Jack was always near the top of the list. His discipline was PPC and he used a "K" frame S&W that had a standard barrel which was 8 3/4" long. It had a full length shroud or tunnel along the top of the barrel from back sight to front sight, and that was his "edge".

I was always fascinated when watching him shoot the center out of the silhouette target's kill zone alongside another fellow who was also a friend and sort of an understudy of Jack's. It was just one large ragged hole, and was rarely decided by who might have had one flyer outside the center hole, but more often by measuring the size of the hole as there were rarely flyers and perfect scores were commonplace. He practiced 2-3 times a week, and this was made easy by the fact that he owned a reloading company that mainly, but not exclusively, reloaded .38 wadcutter ammo for competitions. He traveled about the state selling large quantities of the ammo to various police departments for their qualification and practice, and there were few PPC competitors that did not use his ammo. His shop was almost fully automated and he had one woman employee who just kept the hoppers filled and bagged the wadcutter reloads, 50 per little plastic bag. That freed him up to travel about selling and competing, and he tried to coordinate both activities. Excellent ammo, and I used it when I could. I still possess one unopened bag.

Well, continuing on, he was also a collector of antique Winchester lever action rifles. Many were rare and in pristine condition. One weekend I ran into him at the San Jose Gun Show and he had a table covered with his old rifles. I stopped to chat and he said, "Buy one of my rifles." I replied, "Jack, I couldn't even afford to pick one of those up and look at it." He responded, "Make me an offer-- you might be surprised." We chatted about some trivial stuff, then I moved on. About a month later his understudy friend told me that he had been suffering from terminal cancer. He had sold the reloading business, all the rifles, turned it into one bank check made out to his wife. He sat down at his desk and pulled the trigger on that same PPC revolver. I've always thought about him now and then, and miss him. He was one of those guys you meet as you travel through life who was exceptional in so many ways--- and a fine pistol shot.

DG

Oof, that's definitely a loss, thank you for the story full of memories!
Yes, I'm sure that many(maybe most) of the 2A community would not have anything positive to say about our current governor of "The ONCE Golden State".
I like to remind Reagan fans that not only did he sign the Mulford Act, FOPA(with Hughes Amendment), backed the Brady Bill and blanket Assault Weapons Ban of 1994.
He also gave amnesty to many border hoppers whose family tree has turned the state perpetually blue, voting wise. A tick that has only dug in deeper since.

Politics aside, many still call this home, despite the increasingly draconian leverage the state has over retailers and people simply wanting to live life with the same opportunities our ancestors once had. My grandparents both came to California from out of state, my grandfather having been born in New York, then moving to Texas as a young lad, then to California. His father, working in the retail business, moved westward with the wife and son in tow. My grandfather saw 10 schools between 1st grade and his graduation from high school. My grandmother, born in Illinois to Swedish immigrants, moved to California in the early 1930s due to her father being in the construction business. Pasadena has certainly changed from that timeframe. My father has lived in LA his entire life, and I have made it a resolution to record his memories of "The California HE knew and grew up in" so I can have a reference to compare to my own upbringing.

I found out that a classmate of mine from high school recently took his life. Not sure how, but left two small children and a wife behind. Had not seen or spoken with him since graduation, but certainly caused me to take pause and assess some things in my own life. Here's a round for you, Todd!

Back to PPC revolvers. As I mentioned in a prior reply here, I seem to have come into things late, typically after they've seen their heyday and grandeur. I don't think I would ever be interested in competition shooting such as PPC, it would be merely for the enjoyment of shooting a highly tuned sports car of a revolver. Plus, supporting a pistolsmith whose craftsmanship can be held for many years to come. But that's me, and being able to shoot 'one ragged hole' out of a tuned/dialed revolver offhand would be more for personal satisfaction than earning money from winning.

-Dan

[Bigslug]

It's really a matter of satisfying one's personal kinks.

I'm with Der Gebirgsjager on "gamer guns". My game years ago was NRA Highpower Rifle, and in it, I saw a major trend away from the original intent - proficiency with a standard service rifle - toward extreme tweaks of the equipment for optimized performance within a strictly-defined course of fire. The practicality of such equipment outside of that course of fire is pretty questionable. Usually when that equipment failed on the line, the failure was due to the components added or adjusted to gain that razor's edge advantage under match conditions. Stuff too light, stuff too tight, stuff too loose. I often wonder if the failures cost more points than the "sexy" gained

I'm REALLY cynical on that stuff when it comes to handguns, where it's the shooter that's the broken component in more of the misses than anything else. Bad technique sells a lot of "Match Grade" Kool Aid.

[StrawHat]

When I competed in registered PPC matches, maximum barrel length was 6”. I could use my S&W Model 25-2 in non registered matches but it would be disqualified from Registered Matches because it was 1/2” too long. My Davis revolver got me into the top 20 but I never broke into the Governors 10. I still had a lot of fun and maybe, I miss it.

I always enjoyed when one of my close competitors found a new gimmick or gadget. That meant they were not concentrating on the basics. Sure my Davis had a heavy barrel, but more importantly, it was rifled to better shoot the 150 grain wadcutter bullet over 2.8 grains of Bullseye. The S&W factory rifling was set to handle the 160 grain bullet at magnum velocities.

Kevin

[Outpost75]

Bill Davis, Jim Clark, and Bob Collins all used ten-inch twist 9mm barrels. The fast-twist barrels will stabilize wadcutter ammo to 100 yards or more.

[Ed K]

All custom work is heavily discounted when sold used - even more so when the particular discipline is in decline. Of all custom handguns seen in the last 20 years I don't know if I've ever seen anything marked down as much as PPC guns. Highly recommend you look in that direction - even if you have to pay a little to tweak it in the direction you want to go.

[Green Frog]

All custom work is heavily discounted when sold used - even more so when the particular discipline is in decline. Of all custom handguns seen in the last 20 years I don't know if I've ever seen anything marked down as much as PPC guns. Highly recommend you look in that direction - even if you have to pay a little to tweak it in the direction you want to go.

^^^ THIS!^^^
I was thinking the same thing as I read this thread. Unless you can find someone who collects the work of that ‘smith, or that style of specialty guns, any custom gun you have built is likely to be a money loser. OTOH, if you want one and can find it used, it can be a real bargain! Probably the best example of this is the PPC gun. It has about the same sized market as the one for ebony handled buggy whips or high end early pinball machines… they can be valuable, but finding that right buyer is tough!

I was fortunate to find a collector of guns by Fred Schmidt when I sold my full house short cylinder PPC gun. I loved shooting it, but PPC was pretty much dead locally, so away it went. One of the few guns I don’t regret selling.

Froggie

[corbinace]

All custom work is heavily discounted when sold used - even more so when the particular discipline is in decline. Of all custom handguns seen in the last 20 years I don't know if I've ever seen anything marked down as much as PPC guns. Highly recommend you look in that direction - even if you have to pay a little to tweak it in the direction you want to go.

That is why I was able to get my Mod 10. I really wanted a nice S&W trigger pull and it seemed to be the least expensive way to do so, was to purchase this unwanted PPC revolver.

[Thom_44]

Its hard to get a used PPC revolver, did just find a Davis 19-3 for 1100 at a Cabelas in an online gun auction thing.

Many will tell you that you can get a used PPC revoolver for under 800$, but in real life you only get offers of 1000 to 1500$ in your private messages from those same guys.