Looking for a heavy 9mm boolit

[nueces5]

Hello everyone, we are thinking with a friend to start shooting a heavy boolit in ipsc
It is increasingly difficult to get gunpowder, and more expensive.
So we thought about making our gun perform, using heavier boolits.
We live in Argentina, so I don't have much variety.
I was thinking about the new lee 147 grain tc, or the classic 147 grain round nose design from MP

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I have a tanfoglio stock II and my friend a cz shadow, at least I have achieved more precision with an rcbs TC mold than with the 135 grain rnfp mp, that is why I am tempted by the TC mold, even if it has a different meplat angle
Has anyone tried any of these? I think the MP molds are better quality than the Lee ones.
thoughts?

[Handloader109]

Had a NOE 154gr and it would hit lands when loaded correctly. I sold it and use the cast boolits in 357.... I like the shape of the lee.

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[waco]

If you want to look at some of what Tom offers from Accurate molds, this one might interest you.
https://accuratemolds.com/bullet_detail.php?bullet=35-147B

[joebaja]

I haven't tried the new Lee mold, but I have loaded bunches of the MP 147 RN. My older Canik-made CZ/Tanfo clone (Tristar T-120) is a tack driver with it and a stout load of Blue Dot. Sames with a moderate load of Power Pistol. For the heavy bullet fast powder loads, I get good results with the MP 359-147 (https://www.mp-molds.com/product/mp-359-147-bb/).
In both cases, they need to be seated deep to stay off of the lands in a tight chamber, but the old advice of "start low and work up" get you there.

[sigep1764]

The Elco mold from NOE is made for CZs! In solid form, it casts over 155 grains. Th nose is designed to clear short leades in a lot of modern barrels

[Coopaloop86]

Second the MP heavy. Its an absolute tack driver out of all my guns with a stout load of super slow powder. I use VV N350 and can keep it on paper at 100 yards out of a Glock 17.

[lotech]

Most accurate 9mm bullet I've found to date has been the obsolete Lyman #358212, a 150 grain round nose for the .38 Special. sized to .357" or .358".

[nueces5]

Remember, I live in Argentina, it is difficult to bring things.
It's good to know the opinion of those who have weapons similar to mine. When you shoot 300 rounds a week, any savings is welcome.
The MP mold is winning the race.
The ELCO looks very interesting, maybe I'll start a campaign to see if I can buy it when it's available.

[BRatigan]

The MP molds are as good as you can get and shipping is beyond fast at least to the US. Hope you can find what will work for you.

[Soundguy]

round noses tend to feed better in pickier feed ramp geometries...

[jdgabbard]

Another option, if you have the mold, would be the 358311 for the 38spl and 357mag. Lyman used to publish load data for this, although it has been removed over time, likely due to popularity of their other molds. Here is some info on the data from the Lyman 44th:

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[nueces5]

Another option, if you have the mold, would be the 358311 for the 38spl and 357mag. Lyman used to publish load data for this, although it has been removed over time, likely due to popularity of their other molds. Here is some info on the data from the Lyman 44th:

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This is why I want to use a heavy boolit, because the savings in powder are substantial!

Thanks!!

[Kosh75287]

Check out the SAECO #383 140 gr. LSWC mold. The mold is by no means inexpensive, but I've NEVER had a bullet work better than this one in 9mmP and .38 Super.
If you are still wondering if bullets weighing over 130 gr. will work well in your pistols, you might try ordering some of the 147gr. "Subsonic Grooveless" FPs from Missouri Bullets and giving them a run through your pistols. These are NOT the same as the SAECO #383, but they seem to work very well in my 9mmP pistols and carbine.

https://missouribullet.com/details.php?prodId=399&category=5&secondary=8&keywords=

[jdgabbard]

This is why I want to use a heavy boolit, because the savings in powder are substantial!

Thanks!!

You’re welcome. I’ve never run this load, but I’ve thought about it for my 9mm Carbines. It used to be fairly popular from what I gather.

[243winxb]

Brass wall thickness is important, when the base of the bullet goes deeper into the case. A bulge can keep rounds from chambering. Bullet diameter, if to big, adds to the problem.

My test with Blazer brass was ok. USA brass jammed.

See post #75 https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/seating-depth.925253/page-3

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?media/163-gr-lswc-in-9mm-not-recommended.5251/full

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See post #75 at link.
Tested today-
9mm Luger in Taurus G3C.
Bullet- 163 gr lswc, Saeco #382, .3568" sized diameter. Length .707"
Loaded COL 1.026" Head to Shoulder .778"

Load data found for HS-6. Start 3.0 grs to 3.7 grs for 160 gr coated bullet. Fed 200 Mag Primer used. Worked up to 3.7 grs, shot 5 rounds, standing, 2 hands, 7 yards.

Ok with Blazer range brass. Jammed with 1 USA brass that measured .001" to large in the case body. Right at the bullets base.
A known problem with some brass, bullet combinations.

Not a loading i normally would use, just a test

Heavy bullets tend to use slower powder & more of it, if higher velocity is needed.

The Hodgdon website has data for a 160 gr coated bullet. To compare powders.

[jdgabbard]

Brass wall thickness is important, when the base of the bullet goes deeper into the case. A bulge can keep rounds from chambering. Bullet diameter, if to big, adds to the problem.

My test with Blazer brass was ok. USA brass jammed.

See post #75 https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/seating-depth.925253/page-3

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?media/163-gr-lswc-in-9mm-not-recommended.5251/full

Your chamber also matters. Some chambers will handle the bulge, some not so much.

[243winxb]

Power factor https://www.dillonprecision.com/power-factor-calculator.html

[Sandspider500]

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MP 360-640 hp
Large hollow point is 145gr, solid I think is 155gr.


Description: 360-640 hp 4.2gr cfe pistol 1.145
Notes 1: 145gr hollow point
Notes 2:
Distance to Chrono (FT): 10.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 1.000
Bullet Weight (gr): 145.000
Altitude (FT): 0.0
Temp: N/A
BP: N/A
Shots
# FPS FT-LBS PF
17 897 259.10 130.07
16 897 259.10 130.07
15 895 257.95 129.77
14 905 263.74 131.23
13 910 266.67 131.95
12 902 262.00 130.79
11 895 257.95 129.77
10 900 260.84 130.50
9 907 264.91 131.51
8 899 260.26 130.35
7 893 256.79 129.49
6 894 257.37 129.63
5 882 250.51 127.89
4 877 247.68 127.17
3 889 254.50 128.90
2 873 245.42 126.58
1 882 250.51 127.89
Average: 893.94
StdDev: 10.41
Min: 873
Max: 910
Spread: 37
True MV: 894.96
Shots/sec: 0.10

[justindad]

Check out the SAECO #383 140 gr. LSWC mold. The mold is by no means inexpensive, but I've NEVER had a bullet work better than this one in 9mmP and .38 Super.
If you are still wondering if bullets weighing over 130 gr. will work well in your pistols, you might try ordering some of the 147gr. "Subsonic Grooveless" FPs from Missouri Bullets and giving them a run through your pistols. These are NOT the same as the SAECO #383, but they seem to work very well in my 9mmP pistols and carbine.

https://missouribullet.com/details.php?prodId=399&category=5&secondary=8&keywords=

There’s load data for that Saeco boolit in the latest Lyman’s Cast manual. That boolit consumes relatively low space in the case, so more powder is needed. You can get great velocities from it.
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The OP needs not just a heavy boolit, but one that seats deeply and likely has a small OACL.

[jdgabbard]

There’s load data for that Saeco boolit in the latest Lyman’s Cast manual. That boolit consumes relatively low space in the case, so more powder is needed. You can get great velocities from it.
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The OP needs not just a heavy boolit, but one that seats deeply and likely has a small OACL.

And likely meets a power factor of 160, which is going to be hard. The 160gr 358311 at 1050fps does this. Barely, but it does hit 160…


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[mainiac]

Mp makes a dandy,,copy of the rcbs 147,,flat nose,2 lube grooves,shoots splendid! Weighs 152 grs with ww alloy.

[mainiac]

Mp makes a dandy,,copy of the rcbs 147,,flat nose,2 lube grooves,shoots splendid! Weighs 152 grs with ww alloy.
O,,8 cavity,,open,wiggle,all fall out,close,,,,,pot is empty,before you know it!!casts,that nice

[Sandspider500]

A lee 358-158 2r is of similar length to the 358311. I loaded the lee bullet in a 9mm case and used unique at 4.4gr. It averaged 985fps and quickload said it would be 983fps at 25884 psi. It was also loaded at 1.245 OAL, and fired from a cz52 with a 9mm barrel, I'm not sure what the pressure would be if it was seated deeper.

[nueces5]

This one?
https://www.mp-molds.com/product/9mm-38-147-rn-bb-8-cav-aluminum-mold/

[Kosh75287]

I'm not sure if the mold you ask about is the exact one that MAINIAC was talking about, but I think it would work very well. Just be sure to order the mold handles (mangos de bala molde?), when you order the mold. MP does not include them for free, as some other mold makers do.

[Intel6]

I was looking for heavy bullets mainly for my 9mm competition revolver but also wanted to be able to shoot them in my autos.

Since I was looking to make bullets for competition shooting a two cavity wouldn't cut it and I also needed to be able to get a mould that had a higher number of cavities.

My first was the NOE 155 ELCO because I already had lots of Al's moulds, I could get it immediately (they were in stock) and I could get it in a 5 cavity which could be better but it is certainly better than a 2 cavity mould.

The mould was great and cast up some really nice bullets. They shot well in both the revolver and my autos.

In the pic below you can see the bullets loaded to length for the revolver loads and slightly shorter for the auto loads. These were coated with Hi Tek coating and sized.

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While the ELCO was a good start I found that while it does have a tapered profile it still has a flat tip. When the rounds were in the moon clips that flat tip would cause some issues when reloading so while it worked, I really wanted a true round nose.

Around that time MP moulds was doing a group buy for a 147 RN with no lube grooves so it was just for coating. The best part about it was that I could get it in an 8 cavity. This mould is exactly what I was looking for. The heavy RN bullet was perfect and that fact that it was in an 8 cavity mould and was smooth sided for coating meant that it was a joy to cast with. The bullets fall out of the mould as it is opened and making 8 bullets at a time meant I was making large quantities of bullets with ease.

Here is a pic of the mould in use.


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In this pic you can see some of the bullets both coated with PC and Hi Tek. The rounds on the left are loaded longer for the revolver and the round on the right is loaded to length for my autos.


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While there are lots of choices for you, I think the 8 cavity MP mould in your desired weight/shape is the only way to go.

[Sandspider500]

You'll have to make some space in your inbox kosh

[Harter66]

I loaded a few 148 WC so I could say I did .

[mnewcomb59]

I've had my eye on that mold from MP but I just can't pull the trigger because the nose is so short. Why get a RN that loads to the same length as a flat nose? Why so blunt? Pointy rn tumble and blunt rn yaw.The main issue is that the bullet has to seat so deep that you will have to run special expanders, which means lubing the inside of the case necks and you will have to run harder lead. The only time I can sqeak by with softer lead in 9mm is very shallow seating bullets that seat in the thinnest part of the brass.

Any time I shoot a 147 or 158 I need rock hard lead, powder coat, diluted alox on a qtip to lube the case necks before running through the PITA expander and one extra thou oversized bullets to make sure that base driving band stays where I need it. My next heavy bullet will seat shallow like the elco, but just have a normal tangent bore riding ogive that will play nice with powder coat.

I want that long, pointy ogive with about .38 to .40inches above the driving band. I want to get 1.16" with all the driving band in the case for compatibility with lots of guns.

[Petander]

Around that time MP moulds was doing a group buy for a 147 RN with no lube grooves so it was just for coating. The best part about it was that I could get it in an 8 cavity. This mould is exactly what I was looking for. The heavy RN bullet was perfect and that fact that it was in an 8 cavity mould and was smooth sided for coating meant that it was a joy to cast with. The bullets fall out of the mould as it is opened and making 8 bullets at a time meant I was making large quantities of bullets with ease.

Here is a pic of the mould in use.


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In this pic you can see some of the bullets both coated with PC and Hi Tek. The rounds on the left are loaded longer for the revolver and the round on the right is loaded to length for my autos.


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While there are lots of choices for you, I think the 8 cavity MP mould in your desired weight/shape is the only way to go.

I probably have the same mold from the same group buy. Love it. The weird thing is, it reads "359-135-bb". But it drops 153 grains (coated weight) NLG bevel base bullets.

It may seat deep but:

Using Magtech brass,I do not need any extra expanders, just a standard Dillon Square Deal press. PC:d and sized .356, tack driving ammo for a Tanfoglio Limited Custom. No case neck lubing - I do lube the bullets with Aqualube before sizing.

A great mold anyway.

[nueces5]

Thank you very much for all the information you gave me!
One thing to keep in mind is to find the boolit that needs the least deep seating in the brass,
What designs carry the most weight forward? RN, TC, RNFP?

[20:1]

Thank you very much for all the information you gave me!
One thing to keep in mind is to find the boolit that needs the least deep seating in the brass,
What designs carry the most weight forward? RN, TC, RNFP?

That's kind of a double-edged sword. You already know that the 9mm case has a pretty pronounced inner taper. Lyman 356637 is a boat tail design with this in mind, interestingly enough, 358156 (357 mag) bullet sort of matches the profile of Hornadys 147 jhp, and the 356637 if you leave the gas check off. I've used 356637 and it works fine, as does the NOE 155 gr ELCO bullet mentioned earlier. If you're powder coating I'd probably avoid round-nosed designs because the PC on the round noses can most definitely affect seating depth in some combinations. If you can live with a 135 gr design the 9mm Ranch Dog bullet is available through Arsenal, and I think you can get it in a 5 cavity. NOE lists the 135 Ranch Dog but has never had any available for the past few years. I use the 9mm Ranch Dog in almost everything. My mould is a plain base, cut for conventional lubing, but PCs well and is very accurate. http://arsenalmolds.com/bullet-molds?product_id=204&limit=99999999999

[2TM101]

Relatively new to this - one of the things I have been wondering is why there is no refrence in any manual I have seen to where the bottom of the bullet should be. I see overall length, powder measurements and bullet weights - but the design of the bullet could, even with the same weight and overall length, seriously affect how much space is in the case after it is seated. Looking at this picture I wonder how you could get enough powder in the case for it to even work. Yet clearly it does.

I have the Lee 356-125-2R and once powdercoated and seated to a normal length it will not chamber. People have told me to seat it deeper but I have been hesitant to do so - but its a much lighter bullet and would not have to go as deep as what I see here.

I loaded a lot with 3.0 of 700x as I'm not looking for high power. Seems in the future I should seat them deeper until they pass that Lee ammo checking tool I just got. What I already made up seems to be OK in my Uberti revolver so no loss - just education.

[nueces5]

I am currently using the mp 135 rnfp BB, and it is an all-rounder
so what I'm looking for is not much beyond what I have already tried, it is 12 grains heavier than what I am using
but it would be a great saving of powder
What you say about the boolit base is very true, I still wonder if a beaver or normal base is more accurate
I think the flat base is more accurate.

[Sandspider500]

Relatively new to this - one of the things I have been wondering is why there is no refrence in any manual I have seen to where the bottom of the bullet should be. I see overall length, powder measurements and bullet weights - but the design of the bullet could, even with the same weight and overall length, seriously affect how much space is in the case after it is seated. Looking at this picture I wonder how you could get enough powder in the case for it to even work. Yet clearly it does.

I have the Lee 356-125-2R and once powdercoated and seated to a normal length it will not chamber. People have told me to seat it deeper but I have been hesitant to do so - but its a much lighter bullet and would not have to go as deep as what I see here.

I loaded a lot with 3.0 of 700x as I'm not looking for high power. Seems in the future I should seat them deeper until they pass that Lee ammo checking tool I just got. What I already made up seems to be OK in my Uberti revolver so no loss - just education.

The lee 356 125 2r is one of my favorites, it's very accurate. I load it long because I can. I use 1.14 oal. But even if you seat the lee bullet to 1.08, it still has less bullet in the case than a Lyman 356402 loaded to 1.11, which there is data for in the Lyman book.

[Sandspider500]

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:bigsmyl2:

[mehavey]

That actually feeds ?
( or . . . :kidding: ? )

Tell me it does.... ;-)

[kevin c]

This one?
https://www.mp-molds.com/product/9mm-38-147-rn-bb-8-cav-aluminum-mold/
I use this particular bullet for 9mm at ~130 PF. Works quite well in my factory barreled Glocks.

The bevel base helps with deep seating: it might still look a bit wasp waisted, being .358”, but chambers fine with the brass I use (generally 0.010” thickness at the case mouth).

With 95-3-2 alloy they drop just over 148 grains.

[Petander]

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:bigsmyl2:

This reminds me of the big fat 358 Lee RF (158 ?) bullet that I used for 9 mm subsonic carbine loads 20 years ago, used to have a Beretta Storm. Store bought sub ammo was not sub in that gun so I made my own.

It needed special expanders and the whole reloading process was a delicate one, to say the least.

[nueces5]

320882


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:bigsmyl2:
170 grains???
I don't think it feeds in my Tanfoglio

[20:1]

I am currently using the mp 135 rnfp BB, and it is an all-rounder
so what I'm looking for is not much beyond what I have already tried, it is 12 grains heavier than what I am using
but it would be a great saving of powder
What you say about the boolit base is very true, I still wonder if a beaver or normal base is more accurate
I think the flat base is more accurate.


If you're already using a RN design you might consider it. Some 38/357 designs have been used successfully in 9mm as well. I mentioned 358156, but I've had success with 358311 Lyman (158 gr RN) and others. I see Miha is out of the RCBS 147 design now but does have non-grooved 147 RN designs left. It appears that he's getting hit pretty hard on his current sale. NOE doesn't show much, the afore mentioned 155 gr ELCO design is available in some configurations. After that it appears to be the usual Lee, Lyman, and some limited RCBS. Or you can go the custom route.

[nueces5]

If you're already using a RN design you might consider it. Some 38/357 designs have been used successfully in 9mm as well. I mentioned 358156, but I've had success with 358311 Lyman (158 gr RN) and others. I see Miha is out of the RCBS 147 design now but does have non-grooved 147 RN designs left. It appears that he's getting hit pretty hard on his current sale. NOE doesn't show much, the afore mentioned 155 gr ELCO design is available in some configurations. After that it appears to be the usual Lee, Lyman, and some limited RCBS. Or you can go the custom route.

yes, but round nose
It's not that difficult to handle for a semi-auto pistol.
https://www.mp-molds.com/product/23789/

[2TM101]

In this pic you can see some of the bullets both coated with PC and Hi Tek. The rounds on the left are loaded longer for the revolver and the round on the right is loaded to length for my autos.

I really wish I had actual physical contact with other reloaders rather than just online like this. As it happens. with NO idea what I was actually doing, I loaded what turns out to be 800 rounds of perfectly good 9mm revolver ammunition. It won't fit in a Glock but thats actually OK at this point.

I am now curious as to why someone would intentionally load it longer so it would only work in a revolver. It would be lower pressure I suppose - also hit the rifling sooner. What is the actual advantage of doing this?

[20:1]

Relatively new to this - one of the things I have been wondering is why there is no refrence in any manual I have seen to where the bottom of the bullet should be. I see overall length, powder measurements and bullet weights - but the design of the bullet could, even with the same weight and overall length, seriously affect how much space is in the case after it is seated. Looking at this picture I wonder how you could get enough powder in the case for it to even work. Yet clearly it does.

I have the Lee 356-125-2R and once powdercoated and seated to a normal length it will not chamber. People have told me to seat it deeper but I have been hesitant to do so - but its a much lighter bullet and would not have to go as deep as what I see here.

I loaded a lot with 3.0 of 700x as I'm not looking for high power. Seems in the future I should seat them deeper until they pass that Lee ammo checking tool I just got. What I already made up seems to be OK in my Uberti revolver so no loss - just education.

Look into a sized, empty 9mm case and you'll see how the inner case wall starts out straight, and then abruptly starts to taper inward. You should not seat any bullet any deeper than the very start of that taper. Measure the distance between the open case mouth and that point. That is how deep you can seat a flat base bullet in that case. The bullet base will start bulging the case at that point, and it's best to be just slightly above it. If you're using a bevel based bullet design, the stopping point is the point the beveled base meets the straight portion of the bullet shank. Do not seat the bullet below the origin of the cases inner taper.

From that point you can seat a bullet in an unprimed case to the depth you've already determined and check your overall length against published OAL length spec, and/or by seating this dummy round first in the magazine to make certain the bullet isn't too long for your magazine, then you can insert the dummy round into the pistols chamber to see how well the assembled cartridge will chamber. This can be done either by removing the barrel from the pistol and dropping the dummy round into the chamber and watching how it fits. This is most often referred to as a "plunk" test. The dummy should seat fully under it's own weight. Then reassemble the gun and hand cycle the dummy round into the chamber through the magazine. Do not, under any circumstances attempt this in a room with loaded ammunition in it, and the pistol must be handled as if it it loaded with real ammo, and is ready to fire. It would almost be better to do this test at the range with the pistol pointed down range for safetys sake. If everything lines up okay, you should be ready to load up a few test rounds for the range with your selected starting load. Be sure to record the OAL you determined so you never have to do this again with this combination.

I don't know how many home loaded 9mm rounds I've seen with the base of the case bulged out from the bullet being seated too deeply. It's even harder to identify when most carbide 9mm sizing dies squeeze the case down way too far to begin with. I hope I wasn't too naggy with all the safety talk, but we all need to be totally careful when doing things like this.

[20:1]

I really wish I had actual physical contact with other reloaders rather than just online like this. As it happens. with NO idea what I was actually doing, I loaded what turns out to be 800 rounds of perfectly good 9mm revolver ammunition. It won't fit in a Glock but thats actually OK at this point.

I am now curious as to why someone would intentionally load it longer so it would only work in a revolver. It would be lower pressure I suppose - also hit the rifling sooner. What is the actual advantage of doing this?

He's probably using one of the 9mm competition revolvers and this is a dedicated load for it. I used to load 215 gr cast bullets in 38 Spl cases for bowling pin competition. Those were a mite unusual to look at too.

[billmc2]

If you can live with a 135 gr design the 9mm Ranch Dog bullet is available through Arsenal, and I think you can get it in a 5 cavity. NOE lists the 135 Ranch Dog but has never had any available for the past few years. I use the 9mm Ranch Dog in almost everything. My mould is a plain base, cut for conventional lubing, but PCs well and is very accurate. http://arsenalmolds.com/bullet-molds?product_id=204&limit=99999999999

I'm also using this Ranch Dog bullet from Arsenal. I have it at 1.060" OAL to fit into my HK P30. My mold is a 4 cavity brass. I am powder coating this bullet. 4.0 gr Win244 gives me an average of 1034 fps.

[pipehand]

This is why I want to use a heavy boolit, because the savings in powder are substantial!

Thanks!!

I remember when we were first getting accusromed to the non-availability of wheelweights and how some were using the lightest boolits possible to save on lead. Now we are seeing powder at double what it wasnot that long ago, and some optimize their miniscule powder supply with bigger lead. Hard to keep up with the latest trends.

[fredj338]

I recently got the Lee 147 mold & got it casting good bullets. I like the bullet, shoots well at 9 minor or +p. I coat mine but a good choice in an affordable mold.

[fredj338]

I really wish I had actual physical contact with other reloaders rather than just online like this. As it happens. with NO idea what I was actually doing, I loaded what turns out to be 800 rounds of perfectly good 9mm revolver ammunition. It won't fit in a Glock but thats actually OK at this point.

I am now curious as to why someone would intentionally load it longer so it would only work in a revolver. It would be lower pressure I suppose - also hit the rifling sooner. What is the actual advantage of doing this?
A valuable lesson there. Never load a bunch of anything you havent tested.

[nueces5]

Well, thanks for the help, I have finally bought the 147 grain MP, God willing it will arrive next week in my country.
We will wait until it is a little less hot to use it, 89 F here, with a lot of humidity

[Intel6]

He's probably using one of the 9mm competition revolvers and this is a dedicated load for it. I used to load 215 gr cast bullets in 38 Spl cases for bowling pin competition. Those were a mite unusual to look at too.

Yes, 20:1 you are correct. These are loaded for a S&W 929 which is an 8 shot 9mm revolver that uses moon clips. Not that these loads are at the top of the pressure limits but anytime you can seat bullets out further in the case means you increase the internal case volume which will decrease the pressure of the round when firing. Also in this case since the revolver is an N framed revolver (same as the .44 mag) the cylinder has a bunch more leade for the bullet to travel through before it hits the forcing cone and the rifling so I seat it out as much as I can as long as the loaded moon clip still falls in and seats completely without any interference.

The gun in the middle is the 929. It has a titanium cylinder and is tuned to a 6 Lb. double action only trigger pull. This shoots really well with the MP mould bullets along with most others I have tried.


The one on the top is a "Model of 1988" S&W 625 5" bbl. and the one on the bottom is one of the original S&W 627 5" bbl. 8 shot .357 mag revolvers.



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[Sandspider500]

That actually feeds ?
( or . . . :kidding: ? )

Tell me it does.... ;-)

It feeds at 1.125 oal.


Description: 36-170n
Notes 1: 1.125 3.8gr be-86
Notes 2: 4" barrel
Distance to Chrono (FT): 10.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 1.000
Bullet Weight (gr): 170.000
Altitude (FT): 0.0
Temp: N/A
BP: N/A
Shots
# FPS FT-LBS PF
10 853 274.70 145.01
9 878 291.04 149.26
8 858 277.93 145.86
7 879 291.70 149.43
6 840 266.39 142.80
5 831 260.72 141.27
4 867 283.79 147.39
3 857 277.28 145.69
2 878 291.04 149.26
1 851 273.42 144.67
Average: 859.20
StdDev: 16.45
Min: 831
Max: 879
Spread: 48
True MV: 860.18
Shots/sec: 0.06
Group Size (IN): 0.00

[Sandspider500]

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Left to right
36-170n at 1.125
360-640 at 1.125
360-640 at 1.145
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The mp 360-640 was loaded .02 shorter with the same powder charge as before.
Description: mp 360-640 hp
Notes 1: 1.125 4.2gr cfe pistol
Notes 2:
Distance to Chrono (FT): 10.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 1.000
Bullet Weight (gr): 145.000
Altitude (FT): 0.0
Temp: N/A
BP: N/A
Shots
# FPS FT-LBS PF
7 978 308.01 141.81
6 963 298.63 139.63
5 978 308.01 141.81
4 953 292.46 138.18
3 957 294.92 138.76
2 966 300.50 140.07
1 985 312.43 142.82
Average: 968.57
StdDev: 11.98
Min: 953
Max: 985
Spread: 32
True MV: 969.67
Shots/sec: 0.22
Group Size (IN): 0.00

Here's the longer load.
Description: 360-640 hp 4.2gr cfe pistol 1.145
Notes 1: 145gr hollow point
Notes 2:
Distance to Chrono (FT): 10.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 1.000
Bullet Weight (gr): 145.000
Altitude (FT): 0.0
Temp: N/A
BP: N/A
Shots
# FPS FT-LBS PF
17 897 259.10 130.07
16 897 259.10 130.07
15 895 257.95 129.77
14 905 263.74 131.23
13 910 266.67 131.95
12 902 262.00 130.79
11 895 257.95 129.77
10 900 260.84 130.50
9 907 264.91 131.51
8 899 260.26 130.35
7 893 256.79 129.49
6 894 257.37 129.63
5 882 250.51 127.89
4 877 247.68 127.17
3 889 254.50 128.90
2 873 245.42 126.58
1 882 250.51 127.89
Average: 893.94
StdDev: 10.41
Min: 873
Max: 910
Spread: 37
True MV: 894.96
Shots/sec: 0.10


Another load
Description: mp 360-640 hp
Notes 1: 1.145 4.4gr be-86
Notes 2:
Distance to Chrono (FT): 10.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 1.000
Bullet Weight (gr): 145.000
Altitude (FT): 0.0
Temp: N/A
BP: N/A
Shots
# FPS FT-LBS PF
9 1011 329.14 146.60
8 1030 341.63 149.35
7 1040 348.30 150.80
6 1026 338.98 148.77
5 1025 338.32 148.63
4 1025 338.32 148.63
3 1041 348.97 150.95
2 1018 333.72 147.61
1 1038 346.96 150.51
Average: 1028.22
StdDev: 10.17
Min: 1011
Max: 1041
Spread: 30
True MV: 1029.39
Shots/sec: 0.04

And another, Chrono was getting a lot of errors, probably because it was raining.

Description: mp 360-640 hp
Notes 1: 1.145 3.5gr zip
Notes 2:
Distance to Chrono (FT): 10.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 1.000
Bullet Weight (gr): 145.000
Altitude (FT): 0.0
Temp: N/A
BP: N/A
Shots
# FPS FT-LBS PF
5 921 273.15 133.54
4 890 255.07 129.05
3 908 265.49 131.66
2 867 242.06 125.71
1 932 279.71 135.14
Average: 903.60
StdDev: 25.75
Min: 867
Max: 932
Spread: 65
True MV: 904.63
Shots/sec: 0.29

[Petander]

Well, thanks for the help, I have finally bought the 147 grain MP, God willing it will arrive next week in my country.
We will wait until it is a little less hot to use it, 89 F here, with a lot of humidity

Congrats,that will be a nice Christmas present.

It's a good practise to do a few pre-heat cycles for a new brass mold. You build some patina that way and it prevents the risk for smearing lead.

[dr_rick]

I purchased the Lee 147 Grain bullet two cavity mold and I have not had any issues. I ran it through the chronograph, and it performs like a 45 ACP in velocity characteristics. Seems to have less felt recoil than my 124 grain bullets. Cycles and feeds well in any of my semi-automatic firearms.

[nueces5]

Congrats,that will be a nice Christmas present.

It's a good practise to do a few pre-heat cycles for a new brass mold. You build some patina that way and it prevents the risk for smearing lead.

Thanks!
but I bought aluminium 8 cavs!!
I have to find a thread that tells how to clean it before using it.

[mehavey]

how to clean it before using it.
Toothbrush
Coupla drops liquid dish soap
Hot tap water

--- done ---
[smilie=l:

[nueces5]

First batch, only to test the mould and different loads

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