338 Federal Cast makes meat.

[Ramjet-SS]

TC Encore 338 Federal 250 Grain WFN GC
Distance was 153 yards punched this fat does ticket. She did the heart flutter stepped backwards and fell over DRT. The velocity of this cast is around 1800 FPS. I just don’t buy many jacketed bullets anymore and hunting with cast and handgun is allot of fun and I have always had excellent results with cast. 320161

[hc18flyer]

Nice job! .338 Federal with a cast flat nose at 1800fps is a perfect combo!
hc18flyer

[CastingFool]

Congrats! Fresh venison is always good!

[Ramjet-SS]

Yes indeed high nutrition density of game meat makes for a healthy lifestyle. She was fat one too.

[versa-06]

Always nice to put a little more in the freezer. But canned venison is great also! -06

[pworley1]

Congratulations.

[stubshaft]

Congratulations on a successful hunt.

[Bowhunter73]

Congratulations on a job well done.

[mnewcomb59]

Nice doe! It looks like shes a big ol' girl. I bet you got 50 or 55 pounds of meat. So 1800 fps with that short barrel? That's gotta be about a full power load. I bet that thing is loud with a muzzle brake and 40ish grains of powder. Does it clear out the firing line when you touch it off? I hope you use some ear protection lol. What is your alloy and what did the wound channel look like once she was skinned?

With a 20" barrel a 45 colt rifle can get more than 1900fps with a 250 gr bullet and only 28.5 gr of powder. Just for a comparison of something with nearly equal ballistics and mild muzzle blast. If you like that powder level you could be shooting something that is like 145 dB instead of 170 dB. If you shoot the contender 1 time without ear protection it will do about the same damage as 20 shots with the 45.

[Ramjet-SS]

Always nice to put a little more in the freezer. But canned venison is great also! -06

Thank you

[Ramjet-SS]

Nice doe! It looks like shes a big ol' girl. I bet you got 50 or 55 pounds of meat. So 1800 fps with that short barrel? That's gotta be about a full power load. I bet that thing is loud with a muzzle brake and 40ish grains of powder. Does it clear out the firing line when you touch it off? I hope you use some ear protection lol. What is your alloy and what did the wound channel look like once she was skinned?

With a 20" barrel a 45 colt rifle can get more than 1900fps with a 250 gr bullet and only 28.5 gr of powder. Just for a comparison of something with nearly equal ballistics and mild muzzle blast. If you like that powder level you could be shooting something that is like 145 dB instead of 170 dB. If you shoot the contender 1 time without ear protection it will do about the same damage as 20 shots with the 45.

Yes she was a mature dry doe lots of fat and plenty of meat.

Yes that gun is very very loud. 1800 from a 15” barrel is very achievable this cartridge can run 2400 with a 24” barrel and a 225 grain bullet.

The alloy was 16 BH the wide flat nose entrance is impressive major disruption the exit is about caliber size.

I hunt with handguns don’t use rifles much for hunting.

[mnewcomb59]

I like you setup and I'm not trying to convert you one way or another, I'm just letting you know that you are shooting about the loudest possible gun. There are many setups that will shoot the same bullet weight at the same speed with much less muzzle blast a.k.a uncorking pressure. I bet that thing is uncorking at 18k psi with 45 grains of powder. Another setup shooting that same bullet weight at that same speed might uncork at 3k psi with 28 grains of powder.

You could probably shoot a 460 S&W or 500 S&W and have less muzzle blast than that beast and have the same amount of power and trajectory. Except it would be quieter if you happened to not have ear protection. That beast of yours is flat out dangerous to ears and if you shoot it one time without ear protection you will have tinnitus for the rest of your life.

If you shot a 45 colt with a 250 gr at 30k PSI with 28.5 gr AA11FS you could probably get 1700 fps out of a 12 inch contender and the hearing damage would be around 1/4 for the same bullet at the same weight. Shoot the same load out of a rifle and it would get 1950 fps and give you 1/20th the hearing damage per shot.

I know this is way off topic but this internet stranger is worried about your ears. Its not like a muscle. If youmake your ears it hurt it never comes back. When you try to fall asleep in a quiet room you just hear deafening ringing for the rest of your life. Tinnitus is a cause of suicide for some people. Protect those things!

[mnewcomb59]

And lets forget about the ear preachin' - lets talk about that gun some more. What twist rate is it? 338 Federal always seemed like a great round but I've never shot it. It would be a perfect cast bullet gun with a 14-16" twist to shoot a 180 at 2700 fps in a rifle. And I have seen people get a fast twist and shoot 250s at speeds that are equal or better than a 358 win in rifles.

[TurnipEaterDown]

I used to hunt w/ an Encore 30-06 in 15".
Every max load I tested in that, from 150s, 165s, 180s, 190s, to 220s was ~10% off of velocity from a sporterized 24" Springfield 03A3. Not Similar load - the chambers were very close, and I could drop my Sringfield loads right in that TC. 2700 on 150s, 2200 on 220s from the 15".

VERY easy to believe that 1800 fps is quite easily achievable on a 250 cast from a 338 Fed.
It also has so much better reach than a 250 grain 44/45.

Congrats on your deer.

[mnewcomb59]

250 cast from a 338 Fed. It also has so much better reach than a 250 grain 44/45.



The difference at 153 yards (the range he shot this doe) would be about 40 fps if they were both started at 1800 fps. The difference in midrange trajectory would be about 0.3". The 45 Colt would be slightly more aerodynamic if you compared the 454190 or 454485 (BC .269) to a WFN 338 (BC .250). The 45 colt would be about 30 fps slower at 150 yards if you compared a 250 WFN to a 250 WFN. With a 10 MPH crosswind the 454190 would blow 2 inches less at 150 than the 338 WFN, and WFN vs WFN would blow 2 inches less with the 338.

One very important thing to consider is the 44 or 45 would be easier to get an accurate load with 8-10BHN lead at 1800 fps.

[45workhorse]

Nice Encore and meat in the freezer!
Some low lifer SOB took my Encore, never replaced it!
I'd like to shoot that at least once!:bigsmyl2:

[marshall623]

Well executed! What mold are you using , sounds like a good round to have on hand .

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[TurnipEaterDown]

The difference at 153 yards (the range he shot this doe) would be about 40 fps if they were both started at 1800 fps. The difference in midrange trajectory would be about 0.3". The 45 Colt would be slightly more aerodynamic if you compared the 454190 or 454485 (BC .269) to a WFN 338 (BC .250). The 45 colt would be about 30 fps slower at 150 yards if you compared a 250 WFN to a 250 WFN. With a 10 MPH crosswind the 454190 would blow 2 inches less at 150 than the 338 WFN, and WFN vs WFN would blow 2 inches less with the 338.

One very important thing to consider is the 44 or 45 would be easier to get an accurate load with 8-10BHN lead at 1800 fps.

When you remove the break (typewrite speak- carriage return) between sentences, as you did, it reads completely different.

The 338 Federal when not handicapped by selection of particular bullet form certainly has more reach than a 45 colt. Nominal to nominal bullet, the 338 has a much better trajectory than the Colt. Selecting a high BC bullet for the 45 and a poor BC bullet in the 338 isn't even footing.

I could have been clearer by saying that the 338 itself has much better reach.

That was my point.

[Tom_in_AZ]

One of my favorite cartridges! Congrats’

[mnewcomb59]

I'm sure it has much more reach - out of a rifle. He is shooting it in a handgun. There are many ways to shoot a 250 gr at 1800 fps and my whole point is that there are guns with much less uncorking pressure and less gun powder.

I'm not questioning his velocity like you seem to think. I completely agree that he is probably getting 1800 fps. All I am saying is that the muzzle blast has to be extremely loud compared to other things that shoot the same bullet weight at the same speed.

Shoot that 338 Fed out of a 24 inch barrel at 2600 fps with a ballistic tip boat tail and it will absolutely shoot flatter than a 44 or 45. But with a WFN flat base 338 bullet at 1800 fps (like he was using) shot at 153 yards (like he did) there is surprisingly little difference. Even if the 45 hit 100 fps slower, it is much wider and probably makes the same size wound.

[TurnipEaterDown]

MNEWCOMB59 -- Several of your comments are valid in the particular scenario - granted.

But the 338 Fed has flexibility that the 44/45 does not.
I would expect the 338 to be able to achieve 2100-2200 on a 225, in a 15" Encore. I base this on personal use of 30-06 in an Encore vs rifle, and A Square Data, Phil Sharpe data, as well as other newer internet source data on testing of barrel length effect.

Sure, expansion ratio has a strong effect on residual muzzle pressure.
But if this is only what mattered in life, the argument would tend toward a 50 cal or larger w/ a 250 gr bullet, where SD and BC hugely suffer.
I see no stated BC for a 50 cal 250 gr. These are often about 0.1. Pretty poor.

Sure, use of less powder to get a desired result has advantages, but then again, increase the bore size as much as possible to effectively convert the pressure to work.
But energy & muzzle pressure is not king, and what is less powder used to accept a flexibility penalty?

No comment by the OP if he uses hearing protection when hunting or not. Maybe he doesn't care about muzzle pressure.
I hunted for a while w/ pistols w/o hearing protection, and now do use hearing protection w/ most hunting pistols. Yes, hearing can be damaged, but I hear fine for my age after shooting numerous WT w/ 35-50K psi pistol cartridges in 7-15" barrels w/o hearing protection.

1800 fps on a 250 from a 44/45 in pistol length isn't going to be exactly hearing friendly either. Takes a pretty capable cartridge to do that.
44 Rem Mag achieves 1600 on a 250 w/ 14" at SAAMI pressures. 45 Colt won't when adhering to Colt SAAMI spec pressure, really about equal to the 44 when used w/ published "Ruger & TC" loads. 45 Win Mag should do it in 12-14", but stuffed w/ AA9/W296. 454 Casull will out of a 12", but that isn't low muzzle pressure and is still 27-32 gr of powder. 460 S&W will exceed 2000 fps in 15", but likewise, that is not low muzzle pressure and 35-40 gr of powder to do it. Cut the 460 back 200 fps and it doesn't become hearing friendly.

Flexibility:
300-ish yd shot w/ no range finder in unfamiliar territory (degrading estimation): 338, change the bullet & go on your hunt. 44/45, get a range finder and encumber yourself or get a different gun.

Some people just use different things for the same job, seems there can be advantage to me in using what the OP used as he can do something else w/ the same gun. Might seem that way to him too, but just betting there.

[Ramjet-SS]

I like you setup and I'm not trying to convert you one way or another, I'm just letting you know that you are shooting about the loudest possible gun. There are many setups that will shoot the same bullet weight at the same speed with much less muzzle blast a.k.a uncorking pressure. I bet that thing is uncorking at 18k psi with 45 grains of powder. Another setup shooting that same bullet weight at that same speed might uncork at 3k psi with 28 grains of powder.

You could probably shoot a 460 S&W or 500 S&W and have less muzzle blast than that beast and have the same amount of power and trajectory. Except it would be quieter if you happened to not have ear protection. That beast of yours is flat out dangerous to ears and if you shoot it one time without ear protection you will have tinnitus for the rest of your life.

If you shot a 45 colt with a 250 gr at 30k PSI with 28.5 gr AA11FS you could probably get 1700 fps out of a 12 inch contender and the hearing damage would be around 1/4 for the same bullet at the same weight. Shoot the same load out of a rifle and it would get 1950 fps and give you 1/20th the hearing damage per shot.

I know this is way off topic but this internet stranger is worried about your ears. Its not like a muscle. If youmake your ears it hurt it never comes back. When you try to fall asleep in a quiet room you just hear deafening ringing for the rest of your life. Tinnitus is a cause of suicide for some people. Protect those things!

Come on more muzzle blast than a 460 S&W ……..lmao no way no how I own one and the 460 is far and above that 15” 338 Federal. Thank you for your concern for my hearing but you are wrong here and honestly you are correct this is WAY OFF TOPIC. Shoot what you want and I will shoot what I want.

[Ramjet-SS]

I used to hunt w/ an Encore 30-06 in 15".
Every max load I tested in that, from 150s, 165s, 180s, 190s, to 220s was ~10% off of velocity from a sporterized 24" Springfield 03A3. Not Similar load - the chambers were very close, and I could drop my Sringfield loads right in that TC. 2700 on 150s, 2200 on 220s from the 15".

VERY easy to believe that 1800 fps is quite easily achievable on a 250 cast from a 338 Fed.
It also has so much better reach than a 250 grain 44/45.

Congrats on your deer.

Thank you and the load was chronographed with a Lab Radar and the cast bullet load was tested along side known performers like the 338 Federal Winchester 200 grain Soft Point in water soaked news print. The damage was significant with both but the Cast was definitely softer shooting but every bit as damaging. Great cartridge in the Encore.

[Ramjet-SS]

MNEWCOMB59 -- Several of your comments are valid in the particular scenario - granted.

But the 338 Fed has flexibility that the 44/45 does not.
I would expect the 338 to be able to achieve 2100-2200 on a 225, in a 15" Encore. I base this on personal use of 30-06 in an Encore vs rifle, and A Square Data, Phil Sharpe data, as well as other newer internet source data on testing of barrel length effect.

Sure, expansion ratio has a strong effect on residual muzzle pressure.
But if this is only what mattered in life, the argument would tend toward a 50 cal or larger w/ a 250 gr bullet, where SD and BC hugely suffer.
I see no stated BC for a 50 cal 250 gr. These are often about 0.1. Pretty poor.

Sure, use of less powder to get a desired result has advantages, but then again, increase the bore size as much as possible to effectively convert the pressure to work.
But energy & muzzle pressure is not king, and what is less powder used to accept a flexibility penalty?

No comment by the OP if he uses hearing protection when hunting or not. Maybe he doesn't care about muzzle pressure.
I hunted for a while w/ pistols w/o hearing protection, and now do use hearing protection w/ most hunting pistols. Yes, hearing can be damaged, but I hear fine for my age after shooting numerous WT w/ 35-50K psi pistol cartridges in 7-15" barrels w/o hearing protection.

1800 fps on a 250 from a 44/45 in pistol length isn't going to be exactly hearing friendly either. Takes a pretty capable cartridge to do that.
44 Rem Mag achieves 1600 on a 250 w/ 14" at SAAMI pressures. 45 Colt won't when adhering to Colt SAAMI spec pressure, really about equal to the 44 when used w/ published "Ruger & TC" loads. 45 Win Mag should do it in 12-14", but stuffed w/ AA9/W296. 454 Casull will out of a 12", but that isn't low muzzle pressure and is still 27-32 gr of powder. 460 S&W will exceed 2000 fps in 15", but likewise, that is not low muzzle pressure and 35-40 gr of powder to do it. Cut the 460 back 200 fps and it doesn't become hearing friendly.

Flexibility:
300-ish yd shot w/ no range finder in unfamiliar territory (degrading estimation): 338, change the bullet & go on your hunt. 44/45, get a range finder and encumber yourself or get a different gun.

Some people just use different things for the same job, seems there can be advantage to me in using what the OP used as he can do something else w/ the same gun. Might seem that way to him too, but just betting there.

Spot on and yes I use ear protection. The cast is a softer shooting than the Winchester 200 grain Jacketed in this same platform. The difference is noticeable. The 338 Federal is very efficient cartridge as would the 358 Winchester. You are correct about the flexibility of this caliber and platform.

[Ramjet-SS]

Congratulations on a successful hunt.

Thank you

[Ramjet-SS]

Nice job! .338 Federal with a cast flat nose at 1800fps is a perfect combo!
hc18flyer

Thank you

[Ramjet-SS]

Well executed! What mold are you using , sounds like a good round to have on hand .

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It’s a mould from Accurate

[Ramjet-SS]

Nice Encore and meat in the freezer!
Some low lifer SOB took my Encore, never replaced it!
I'd like to shoot that at least once!:bigsmyl2:

Very manageable and fun.