Preferred substitute for Johnson's Paste wax in Ben's Red Lube

[Firephoto798]

Now that JPW is discontinued, what is the preferred substitute for it in Ben's Red Lube recipe?

[Shanghai Jack]

Now that JPW is discontinued, what is the preferred substitute for it in Ben's Red Lube recipe?

Available on Amazon for $88.00 a pound and up. That caused me to go look at the tin I have in the garage.
Price tab was $1.39.

[Shanghai Jack]

Major components appear to have been parrafin, carnuba, microcrystaline wax and stoddard solvent

[RonL]

According to an LASC article, JPW consists of 75-85% isoparrafinic hydrocarbon solvent, 10-30% parafin, and 5-10% carnauba.
If we assign it as 75% solvent, 15% parafin, and 10% carnauba we get:
50% beeswax
30% red and tacky
5% Dexron
5% STP
7.5% solvent
1.5% parafin
1% carnauba
If we assume that the smell you get is the volatile solvent doing what volatiles do and boils off, what you end up with is:
54% beeswax
32% red and tacky
5.4% Dexron
5.4% STP
1.6% parafin
1% carnauba (rounded out)
I do not believe that the solvent has any catalytic action on the mix and simply evaporates (and stinks)
Parafin can be found in different melting points.
Flaked carnauba can be found from several sources.

[hc18flyer]

A few years ago, when I was looking to mix 'BLL lube' for my tumble lube pistol bullets. I found Lundmark liquid floor wax at an Ace Hardware store. It works fine in 'BLL'. I have since moved on to powder coating. BLL took longer to dry but works very well. hc18flyer

[gumbo333]

Didn’t BLL use Johnson’s Liguid Floor wax in a yellow can, not paste wax? Wasn’t Lundmark Liquid Floor wax Ben’s suggested replacement?

[15meter]

Just as a guess, I used this in place of JPW for wood turnings.

https://www.acehardware.com/departments/home-and-decor/cleaning-and-disinfectants/floor-polish/10088


I suspect it would work in Ben's Red if the original JPW is now unavailable.

For the purists, I'd start haunting small town Ace/True Value/ DoIt hardware stores for new old stock.

I was finding Johnson's Liquid Floor Wax several years after it was discontinued in backwoods hardware stores. I built up a lifetime supply before I ran out of hardware stores to troll.

[Sig556r]

I knew JLW went extinct, but JPW too? What gives?
Is it the ingredients or just Johnson’s?

[Sam Sackett]

JPW is available at Walmart in the cleaning/floor polish department.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/SC-Johnson-Paste-Wax-16-oz-1lb/23142990


Sam Sackett

[rmark]

BLL used Johnsons liquid wax. A recipe for using paste wax I've seen was 16 oz. paste wax, 4 oz. liquid alox, 4 oz. mineral spirits. I plan on trying this since by happenstance I have 2 1/2 cases of bowling alley wax under my reloading bench.

[15meter]

BLL used Johnsons liquid wax. A recipe for using paste wax I've seen was 16 oz. paste wax, 4 oz. liquid alox, 4 oz. mineral spirits. I plan on trying this since by happenstance I have 2 1/2 cases of bowling alley wax under my reloading bench.

The reference is to Ben's Red, a lube developed by Ben, here on Castboolits.

[RonL]

$94. for one pound of JPW?
If you're making Ben's Red that would 1.6 ounces of Carnauba and 2.4 ounces of parafin. The solvent is a volatile that boils off when the lube is heated and blended. It adds nothing except the stink.
The ingredients in a one pound can of JPW that end up in the finished product costs a few dollars.
Why not just add the carnauba and parafin and save the 90 bucks?

[alfadan]

Ben's Red is a soft lube for pan lubing or a lubrisizer.

Ben's Liquid Lube (BLL) is a liquid tumble lube.

[RonL]

$94. for one pound of JPW?
If you're making Ben's Red that would 1.6 ounces of Carnauba and 2.4 ounces of parafin. The solvent is a volatile that boils off when the lube is heated and blended. It adds nothing except the stink.
The ingredients in a one pound can of JPW that end up in the finished product costs a few dollars.
Why not just add the carnauba and parafin and save the 90 bucks?

[RonL]

Double post.

[rmark]

oops, my mistake. Probably shouldn't be posting after bedtime.

[poppy42]

Didn’t BLL use Johnson’s Liguid Floor wax in a yellow can, not paste wax? Wasn’t Lundmark Liquid Floor wax Ben’s suggested replacement?
Yes Lundmarks is the replacement! Great stuff Ben’s Red! Pretty much the only lube I use!

[Ben]

Didn’t BLL use Johnson’s Liguid Floor wax in a yellow can, not paste wax? Wasn’t Lundmark Liquid Floor wax Ben’s suggested replacement?
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Yes, yes .

[Firephoto798]

Thanks everyone for the great replies.